AndySP Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 56 minutes ago, ejgaudette said: I think I got an email about the same blog post from Fit for Golf today and it makes sense. I think @Getoffmylawn can attest that simple strength training will only get you so far Haha, there you go, I must have read it early in the morning when I was too tired to remember it well. I should go back and look more carefully. I have always done some jumps as part of the workout, but I definitely felt less springy lately, so I’m blaming the squats for now. I always hear him talking up sprints too…but that’s a tall order in new jersey winters. Quote g430 lst TS2 20* hybrid, New Level PF-2: P-7; 902: 6-5 hi-toe 51* and 57* M Craft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 9 hours ago, ejgaudette said: I think I got an email about the same blog post from Fit for Golf today and it makes sense. I think @Getoffmylawn can attest that simple strength training will only get you so far and they you do need those speed elements to take advantage of the strength you build. So I think it makes sense that you would rotate between times where you work to build some strength and then back off to focus on speed, and cycle like that a bit. Be sure to share with us how it goes! Mike's blog was good. I know I fall into the category of people who are probably close to tapped out on the neurological adaption/fast twitch gains. I think those of us who spent a lot of time in rotational sports (i.e. hockey, baseball) probably tend to swing faster than our raw strength levels would otherwise indicate. I fall far short of Mike's recommended 1 RMs, which I think is the next step to me getting faster. That being said, there are lots of disadvantages of going for strength gains while trying for speed gains. I think my overall soreness level plays a factor in producing speed, and while I'm trying to eat more to facilitate muscle growth, that tends to make me feel heavy and slow when swinging a club. ejgaudette and THEZIPR23 2 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 3.6 / Anti-Cap: 9.9 (Last Updated Sept. 1, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Still closely monitoring my 6 iron and driver speeds but no movement for the past two weeks, in fact I think I'm down 1-2 MPH. On the flip side, my ball speeds/estimated carry are becoming more stable in the upper 160s/270+ range so that's a positive of all of the driver swings. I'm a few workouts into Full Speed Spectrum on The Stack and have occassionally had a couple of "Wow, that was fast!" swings, but I haven't been able to capture that on every swing just yet. I've really been trying to feel what happens on those faster swings, but it's so hard to figure that out! ejgaudette and GolfSpy_SHARK 2 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 3.6 / Anti-Cap: 9.9 (Last Updated Sept. 1, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_SHARK Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 36 minutes ago, edingc said: Still closely monitoring my 6 iron and driver speeds but no movement for the past two weeks, in fact I think I'm down 1-2 MPH. On the flip side, my ball speeds/estimated carry are becoming more stable in the upper 160s/270+ range so that's a positive of all of the driver swings. I'm a few workouts into Full Speed Spectrum on The Stack and have occassionally had a couple of "Wow, that was fast!" swings, but I haven't been able to capture that on every swing just yet. I've really been trying to feel what happens on those faster swings, but it's so hard to figure that out! Do you feel like the strikes are cleaner/squarer? If it is what do you attribute that to? Just repetition, the actual speed training? GolfSpy AFG and edingc 2 Quote Check out my reviews: G710 Irons Official Review I MC Shaft & V Series Putter Official Review 2022 Forged Tec's Official Review I Nitron Push Cart Official Review WITB: Weapons of grass destruction (link to WITB) Traverse is filled with all this shiny metal and tracked by RadSpeed 8* - MotoreX F1 6X SIM 3W - Project X HZRDUS Green U505 Driving Iron 17* - Project X HZRDUS Black SpeedZone 4H - Project X HZRDUS Black 2022 King Forged Tec's 4-PW - KBS $ Tape 130 48 (SM8), 52 & 60 (SM7) - Nippon Modus 125 S ER2VI PROV1X #19 Are you a veteran? Check out the Veterans Golf Association (VGA) Thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy AFG Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 9 hours ago, AndySP said: Haha, there you go, I must have read it early in the morning when I was too tired to remember it well. I should go back and look more carefully. I have always done some jumps as part of the workout, but I definitely felt less springy lately, so I’m blaming the squats for now. I always hear him talking up sprints too…but that’s a tall order in new jersey winters. 26 minutes ago, edingc said: Mike's blog was good. I know I fall into the category of people who are probably close to tapped out on the neurological adaption/fast twitch gains. I think those of us who spent a lot of time in rotational sports (i.e. hockey, baseball) probably tend to swing faster than our raw strength levels would otherwise indicate. I fall far short of Mike's recommended 1 RMs, which I think is the next step to me getting faster. That being said, there are lots of disadvantages of going for strength gains while trying for speed gains. I think my overall soreness level plays a factor in producing speed, and while I'm trying to eat more to facilitate muscle growth, that tends to make me feel heavy and slow when swinging a club. Really interesting discussion. I think there's no question that doing strength training and speed training in concert, in other words running a speed training program and strength training program simultaneously, can have a near-term effect of slowing your speed gains. There have been more than a few Stack sessions where I'm still dealing with some soreness or tightness in a particular muscle group. And, I won't deny that my strength training efforts have as much to do with vanity and wanting to look good on the beach as it does with speed gains. But, I would also argue a few points: 1) Strength training has a long term benefit relative to speed training of raising your ceiling for speed. In other words, a strength-trained athlete is raising their potential for speed versus a non-strength-trained athlete. 2) That said, for your gym training to translate to speed training the emphasis has to be on ballistic/explosive movements. Jumps, med ball work, etc., performed as the priority in your gym time. 3) Most of us overlook the necessity of recovering from our workouts. I know as I age, I'm sore/fatigued for longer, and it's become more and more important to do stretching and mobility work, foam roll, massage gun, sufficient nutrition, and SLEEP. If you're not willing to allow the time and invest the time to properly recover, any kind of training is nearly pointless. Recover recover recover. My two cents. I like to think I know enough that this is actually more like three cents. ejgaudette, edingc, Vegan_Golfer_PNW and 1 other 3 1 Quote Driver: TSR2, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff FW: TSR2 3w, 15, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Qi10 7w, 21, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Hybrids: Stealth DHY 4H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Irons: SMS 6, SMS Pro 7-PW, Accra TZ 95 stiff Wedges: SM9 48 F Grind, 52 F Grind, 56 M Grind, 60 T Grind, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Putter: EV8 Ball: Pro V1 Click here for my Edel SMS & SMS Pro Irons Official Review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_SHARK Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Just now, Getoffmylawn said: Really interesting discussion. I think there's no question that doing strength training and speed training in concert, in other words running a speed training program and strength training program simultaneously, can have a near-term effect of slowing your speed gains. There have been more than a few Stack sessions where I'm still dealing with some soreness or tightness in a particular muscle group. And, I won't deny that my strength training efforts have as much to do with vanity and wanting to look good on the beach as it does with speed gains. But, I would also argue a few points: 1) Strength training has a long term benefit relative to speed training of raising your ceiling for speed. In other words, a strength-trained athlete is raising their potential for speed versus a non-strength-trained athlete. 2) That said, for your gym training to translate to speed training the emphasis has to be on ballistic/explosive movements. Jumps, med ball work, etc., performed as the priority in your gym time. 3) Most of us overlook the necessity of recovering from our workouts. I know as I age, I'm sore/fatigued for longer, and it's become more and more important to do stretching and mobility work, foam roll, massage gun, sufficient nutrition, and SLEEP. If you're not willing to allow the time and invest the time to properly recover, any kind of training is nearly pointless. Recover recover recover. My two cents. I like to think I know enough that this is actually more like three cents. Number 3 is huge. I would add know your limits too. I know for me getting back into things I used to do can be frustrating, “I used to be able to do this in this amount of time”, have to be able to set that aside and understand you can maybe get back there but will take time. for the speed vs strength, greet description there. I would add “twitch” or “reflex” reactions will optimize the strength built up.I associate speed with that muscle reaction. ejgaudette and GolfSpy AFG 2 Quote Check out my reviews: G710 Irons Official Review I MC Shaft & V Series Putter Official Review 2022 Forged Tec's Official Review I Nitron Push Cart Official Review WITB: Weapons of grass destruction (link to WITB) Traverse is filled with all this shiny metal and tracked by RadSpeed 8* - MotoreX F1 6X SIM 3W - Project X HZRDUS Green U505 Driving Iron 17* - Project X HZRDUS Black SpeedZone 4H - Project X HZRDUS Black 2022 King Forged Tec's 4-PW - KBS $ Tape 130 48 (SM8), 52 & 60 (SM7) - Nippon Modus 125 S ER2VI PROV1X #19 Are you a veteran? Check out the Veterans Golf Association (VGA) Thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted December 15, 2022 Author Share Posted December 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, Getoffmylawn said: Really interesting discussion. I think there's no question that doing strength training and speed training in concert, in other words running a speed training program and strength training program simultaneously, can have a near-term effect of slowing your speed gains. There have been more than a few Stack sessions where I'm still dealing with some soreness or tightness in a particular muscle group. And, I won't deny that my strength training efforts have as much to do with vanity and wanting to look good on the beach as it does with speed gains. But, I would also argue a few points: 1) Strength training has a long term benefit relative to speed training of raising your ceiling for speed. In other words, a strength-trained athlete is raising their potential for speed versus a non-strength-trained athlete. 2) That said, for your gym training to translate to speed training the emphasis has to be on ballistic/explosive movements. Jumps, med ball work, etc., performed as the priority in your gym time. 3) Most of us overlook the necessity of recovering from our workouts. I know as I age, I'm sore/fatigued for longer, and it's become more and more important to do stretching and mobility work, foam roll, massage gun, sufficient nutrition, and SLEEP. If you're not willing to allow the time and invest the time to properly recover, any kind of training is nearly pointless. Recover recover recover. My two cents. I like to think I know enough that this is actually more like three cents. As always great info and yes the recovery is absolutely huge to helping all of this work right. GolfSpy AFG and GolfSpy_SHARK 2 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, Lacassem said: Do you feel like the strikes are cleaner/squarer? If it is what do you attribute that to? Just repetition, the actual speed training? Some is intentional technique/swing feel changes. I really liked the Drew Cooper/TXG video posted here a few pages back because some of his speed keys also were good for me technique wise. I think the bigger factor is that I'm really only focused on two things right now - club speed and ball flight. It's forcing my swing/body to self-organize a lot better. I think having speed as my focus has freed up a lot of mental thoughts of getting to X, Y or Z position and just generally leads to a more fluid swing. ejgaudette, Vegan_Golfer_PNW, GolfSpy_SHARK and 1 other 3 1 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 3.6 / Anti-Cap: 9.9 (Last Updated Sept. 1, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted December 15, 2022 Author Share Posted December 15, 2022 On another note I am finally ready to announce the prize we are shooting for here, besides hitting bombs, drum roll please The winner will be the first recipient of the Golden Hammer X to show off just how fast they are now....... and more usefully @gavinski91 has been gracious enough to donate the following head cover as a prize as well. So big thank you and good luck to everyone as well. https://www.crowngolf.net/products/just-bomb-it-driver-cover GolfSpy_SHARK, Vegan_Golfer_PNW, GolfSpy SAM and 4 others 2 4 1 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_SHARK Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 30 minutes ago, edingc said: Some is intentional technique/swing feel changes. I really liked the Drew Cooper/TXG video posted here a few pages back because some of his speed keys also were good for me technique wise. I think the bigger factor is that I'm really only focused on two things right now - club speed and ball flight. It's forcing my swing/body to self-organize a lot better. I think having speed as my focus has freed up a lot of mental thoughts of getting to X, Y or Z position and just generally leads to a more fluid swing. Love this analysis and thought process. edingc 1 Quote Check out my reviews: G710 Irons Official Review I MC Shaft & V Series Putter Official Review 2022 Forged Tec's Official Review I Nitron Push Cart Official Review WITB: Weapons of grass destruction (link to WITB) Traverse is filled with all this shiny metal and tracked by RadSpeed 8* - MotoreX F1 6X SIM 3W - Project X HZRDUS Green U505 Driving Iron 17* - Project X HZRDUS Black SpeedZone 4H - Project X HZRDUS Black 2022 King Forged Tec's 4-PW - KBS $ Tape 130 48 (SM8), 52 & 60 (SM7) - Nippon Modus 125 S ER2VI PROV1X #19 Are you a veteran? Check out the Veterans Golf Association (VGA) Thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy AFG Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, ejgaudette said: On another note I am finally ready to announce the prize we are shooting for here, besides hitting bombs, drum roll please The winner will be the first recipient of the Golden Hammer X to show off just how fast they are now....... and more usefully @gavinski91 has been gracious enough to donate the following head cover as a prize as well. So big thank you and good luck to everyone as well. https://www.crowngolf.net/products/just-bomb-it-driver-cover Nice! There will also be a good-natured prize for our last place finish, but that will be revealed in March...wouldn't want anyone sandbagging to come in last... Vegan_Golfer_PNW, gavinski91, ejgaudette and 1 other 3 1 Quote Driver: TSR2, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff FW: TSR2 3w, 15, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Qi10 7w, 21, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Hybrids: Stealth DHY 4H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Irons: SMS 6, SMS Pro 7-PW, Accra TZ 95 stiff Wedges: SM9 48 F Grind, 52 F Grind, 56 M Grind, 60 T Grind, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Putter: EV8 Ball: Pro V1 Click here for my Edel SMS & SMS Pro Irons Official Review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Agree on recovery and sleep. I notice myself getting 9-10 hours of sleep following a session and then the night before at least getting 8 hours prior. With my hip I’ve been modifying my workouts and am back on track. GolfSpy_SHARK and GolfSpy AFG 2 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS TD Cat 4 60g 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter:Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: Prime 4.0 Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize Glove: My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Had a nice jump in some of the heavier weights on stack last night. Really focusing on lower body sequencing and pushing up through the ground. Hopefully it sticks, 195 weight didn't see much of a jump though. Only 1 mph. I expect my end of the month check in will be a significant jump. At least that's my hope. ejgaudette, GolfSpy AFG, GolfSpy_SHARK and 2 others 5 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 On 12/9/2022 at 10:56 AM, ejgaudette said: Next we have the latest leader board with the speed checks that have come in and we have a new leader! @Vegan_Golfer_PNW takes a narrow lead after gaining 6 mph all ready to 115. Followed closely by @snicerz only about 1 behind. Before a bigger gap to those around a score of 32 including myself @Getoffmylawn @Bohnson@edingc and @RichL85 (sorry for missing that update) with plenty of others in shouting distance. Keep sending in updates. I won't post a new leader board for a bit but happy to update with any checks you want to submit. Keep getting faster everyone! @ejgaudette - can you use my update below for check in #1? I will be away from the Konica Minolta Swing Vision lab on vacation until late December or early January. On 11/20/2022 at 11:44 PM, BMart519 said: Check in #1 - 110 mph Instructor has me focussing on shifting towards the target in the downswing. Hanging back, jumping up/extending and rotating. Trying to add that on top of the Drew Cooper moves. The smother hooks persist from the end of the season. But I’m going to try to keep hitting the ball as hard as possible. GolfSpy AFG and ejgaudette 2 Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted December 15, 2022 Author Share Posted December 15, 2022 32 minutes ago, BMart519 said: @ejgaudette - can you use my update below for check in #1? I will be away from the Konica Minolta Swing Vision lab on vacation until late December or early January. Sure thing I will move you up to 105.9 GolfSpy AFG 1 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndySP Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 10 hours ago, Getoffmylawn said: I think there's no question that doing strength training and speed training in concert, in other words running a speed training program and strength training program simultaneously, can have a near-term effect of slowing your speed gains. Yeah, I agree with your 3 points. My last ditch effort to gain speed might involve a full periodization program, where I spend few weeks focused on strength, followed by a few weeks on power to consolidate the new (hopefully) higher threshold. I don’t think I’ve seen a study favoring that version more than combining them in single workouts, but I haven’t looked in a long time. I’m curious what causes the slow-down, and whether the speed work at some point isn’t good enough to make gains. Extra strength training definitely seems to require more sleep and some active recovery before feeling decent again which has affected a few things at once. When I was training strength for a different sport I was able to progress when I did my workout, followed by an active recovery day, then another rest day before starting again. That schedule is tough to do with my work/life balance now. at least no matter what we should all feel better physically come March, which is a huge. GolfSpy AFG and ejgaudette 2 Quote g430 lst TS2 20* hybrid, New Level PF-2: P-7; 902: 6-5 hi-toe 51* and 57* M Craft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy AFG Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 14 hours ago, AndySP said: Yeah, I agree with your 3 points. My last ditch effort to gain speed might involve a full periodization program, where I spend few weeks focused on strength, followed by a few weeks on power to consolidate the new (hopefully) higher threshold. I don’t think I’ve seen a study favoring that version more than combining them in single workouts, but I haven’t looked in a long time. I’m curious what causes the slow-down, and whether the speed work at some point isn’t good enough to make gains. Extra strength training definitely seems to require more sleep and some active recovery before feeling decent again which has affected a few things at once. When I was training strength for a different sport I was able to progress when I did my workout, followed by an active recovery day, then another rest day before starting again. That schedule is tough to do with my work/life balance now. at least no matter what we should all feel better physically come March, which is a huge. I'm curious, what exactly is your routine? From a generic standpoint, can you describe a workout? I'm assuming you do your overspeed/underspeed speed training, then move on to the gym immediately thereafter? Or are the two sessions more spaced out than that? Can you describe a gym workout? And how often per week? Sorry if I'm asking for a lot, just curious and hoping to be helpful... Quote Driver: TSR2, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff FW: TSR2 3w, 15, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Qi10 7w, 21, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Hybrids: Stealth DHY 4H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Irons: SMS 6, SMS Pro 7-PW, Accra TZ 95 stiff Wedges: SM9 48 F Grind, 52 F Grind, 56 M Grind, 60 T Grind, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Putter: EV8 Ball: Pro V1 Click here for my Edel SMS & SMS Pro Irons Official Review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndySP Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 5 hours ago, Getoffmylawn said: I'm curious, what exactly is your routine? From a generic standpoint, can you describe a workout? I'm assuming you do your overspeed/underspeed speed training, then move on to the gym immediately thereafter? Or are the two sessions more spaced out than that? Can you describe a gym workout? And how often per week? Sorry if I'm asking for a lot, just curious and hoping to be helpful... No worries, I really appreciate any advice. I follow the stack workout, so typically Tues, Thurs, Sat for those workouts. Immediately after stack, I do my strength training at home. Before December, I would do 3-4 sets of 5-8 reps of 4-5 of the exercises below: plyo box jumps, weighted jumps, one leg jumps, torso rotations, one arm flys, dynamic push-ups (and then my climbing exercises which are assisted one-arm pull-ups, front levers and finger training) Since December, I’ve split my workout into three parts, still 3x5 give or take. 1. jumps, plyo push-ups (finger training stuff) 2. Weighted split squats, pull-ups/levers, and face-pulls 3. single leg dead lifts, torso rotation or flys, finger training I try pretty hard (I think). It takes me about 30 minutes to get through it all, I circuit through each part and typically finish gasping for air, but not dead tired. Vegan_Golfer_PNW 1 Quote g430 lst TS2 20* hybrid, New Level PF-2: P-7; 902: 6-5 hi-toe 51* and 57* M Craft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Normal Saturday garage session today. Starting to find some good feels that are translating to more speed. Driver dispersion is also much improved. Set a new personal best ball speed and the highest swing speed I've recorded this winter on the same swing! Final three swings were 117.4, 117.1 and 116.4. And all were piped down the (virtual) fairway. RollingGreens, Kenny B, Vegan_Golfer_PNW and 3 others 5 1 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 3.6 / Anti-Cap: 9.9 (Last Updated Sept. 1, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPattGolf Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 I just did my speed check in after 8 SuperSpeed sessions and my Driver Club head speed is now up to 119mph. Pretty happy with that considering its usually been below 40 degrees when I have done speed training or when I tested today. RollingGreens, GolfSpy AFG, Kenny B and 3 others 5 1 Quote * Staff PGA Professional* Driver: Qi10 LS (7.5*) - Tensei 1K White 60TX 3 Wood: Qi10 Tour (13.5*) - Kai'li White 90X Driving Iron: P790 UDI 2 iron - Accra i110 4 Iron: P790 (3iron Head weak to 4iron loft) - KBS C-Taper 130 X Irons (5-7) P7MC - KBS C-Taper 130 X Irons (8-P) P7MB - KBS C-Taper 130 X Gap Wedge: MG4 Black 50.09 - KBS C-Taper 130 X Sand Wedge: MG4 Black 55.11 - KBS C-Taper 130 X 60* Wedge: High Toe 3 - KBS C-Taper 130 X Putter: Custom Center Shaft Spider GTX - 33" Bag: Tour Stand Bag Glove: Tour Preferred Glove Ball: TP5X MySymbol RangeFinder: NX10 Instagram: @dpattgolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy AFG Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 @ejgaudette, had an idea (open to input from others) but what do you think about updating the leaderboard with a parentheses entry after the username to add what speed training system they're using? In other words, I'd be "Getoffmytlawn (Team Stack)". And, what do you think about finding a way on our leaderboard to aggregate the team scores? A Team Stack speed increase store, a Team Rypstick score, etc? I'm just thinking we're primarily an equipment forum..might be interesting info (even if not all that useful) to see which speed training system produces the most gains. Vegan_Golfer_PNW and ejgaudette 2 Quote Driver: TSR2, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff FW: TSR2 3w, 15, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Qi10 7w, 21, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Hybrids: Stealth DHY 4H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Irons: SMS 6, SMS Pro 7-PW, Accra TZ 95 stiff Wedges: SM9 48 F Grind, 52 F Grind, 56 M Grind, 60 T Grind, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Putter: EV8 Ball: Pro V1 Click here for my Edel SMS & SMS Pro Irons Official Review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Getoffmylawn said: @ejgaudette, had an idea (open to input from others) but what do you think about updating the leaderboard with a parentheses entry after the username to add what speed training system they're using? In other words, I'd be "Getoffmytlawn (Team Stack)". And, what do you think about finding a way on our leaderboard to aggregate the team scores? A Team Stack speed increase store, a Team Rypstick score, etc? I'm just thinking we're primarily an equipment forum..might be interesting info (even if not all that useful) to see which speed training system produces the most gains. I love it. I can fill in what I know for folks are using and we can come up with an average score some some way to get a team score since we have different numbers of folks on each one. GolfSpy AFG 1 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpatrickriley Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Long time since checking in, but Kirke and I both finished our first Stack programs last week and had our Progress check sessions today. Here's mine: So I've picked up 12mph with the driver so far. Here's Kirke's check-in: He's gained 3mph so far. ejgaudette, GolfSpy_SHARK, edingc and 4 others 3 4 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX E722 16.5°, Tensei AV RAW Blue 65 S Epic Super Hybrid 19°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 22°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 Epic Forged 7 27° 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 7–PW Diamond Tour Inazone 3.0 50°, 54°, 58°, Aldila NV 95 Graphite DF3, Counterbalanced 37", TPT shaft, Garsen Quad Tour 17" Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said: Long time since checking in, but Kirke and I both finished our first Stack programs last week and had our Progress check sessions today. Here's mine: So I've picked up 12mph with the driver so far. Here's Kirke's check-in: He's gained 3mph so far. wow, way to go! thats very impressive! GolfSpy_SHARK 1 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS TD Cat 4 60g 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter:Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: Prime 4.0 Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize Glove: My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_BOS Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 29 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said: Long time since checking in, but Kirke and I both finished our first Stack programs last week and had our Progress check sessions today. Here's mine: So I've picked up 12mph with the driver so far. Here's Kirke's check-in: He's gained 3mph so far. Wow! Correct me if I’m wrong, but you had done SuperSpeed before right? How does 112 compare to your max with that? That’s a seriously impressive gain! RollingGreens, ejgaudette, edingc and 2 others 5 Quote Qi10 - Terra Forza White | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | G430 3-Hybrid - Kai'li White 80s SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 Mezz Max | Pro V1x | Vortex Blade | Ghost Maverick Black Ops - Forum Edition | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 16 hours ago, GolfSpy MPR said: Long time since checking in, but Kirke and I both finished our first Stack programs last week and had our Progress check sessions today. Here's mine: So I've picked up 12mph with the driver so far. Here's Kirke's check-in: He's gained 3mph so far. Yes huge gains for sure. I have marked them down mpatrickriley 1 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpatrickriley Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 17 hours ago, GolfSpy_BOS said: Wow! Correct me if I’m wrong, but you had done SuperSpeed before right? How does 112 compare to your max with that? I did SuperSpeed-ish: I made my own sticks, downloaded the protocols (a few versions ago). With that, by March of 2021, I was sitting around 130/125/120 with the Green/Blue/Red sticks. So I know I'm capable of decent speed. As for a comparison: it's difficult. Even when doing SuperSpeed, I never directly measured my driver speed. I'm quite excited: a buddy of mine just built a garage that has high ceilings: this will be the first time in my golfing life that I have the ability to practice driver. So this will allow me to work on transferring this new speed to actual shots, something I never did with SuperSpeed. GolfSpy SAM, GolfSpy AFG, GolfSpy_BOS and 1 other 4 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX E722 16.5°, Tensei AV RAW Blue 65 S Epic Super Hybrid 19°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 22°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 Epic Forged 7 27° 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 7–PW Diamond Tour Inazone 3.0 50°, 54°, 58°, Aldila NV 95 Graphite DF3, Counterbalanced 37", TPT shaft, Garsen Quad Tour 17" Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said: I did SuperSpeed-ish: I made my own sticks, downloaded the protocols (a few versions ago). With that, by March of 2021, I was sitting around 130/125/120 with the Green/Blue/Red sticks. So I know I'm capable of decent speed. As for a comparison: it's difficult. Even when doing SuperSpeed, I never directly measured my driver speed. I'm quite excited: a buddy of mine just built a garage that has high ceilings: this will be the first time in my golfing life that I have the ability to practice driver. So this will allow me to work on transferring this new speed to actual shots, something I never did with SuperSpeed. You’re going to make us all work harder. With that jump you should be near the top of the standings now. mpatrickriley, GolfSpy AFG and ejgaudette 3 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS TD Cat 4 60g 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter:Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: Prime 4.0 Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize Glove: My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said: You’re going to make us all work harder. With that jump you should be near the top of the standings now. I will do an update to start the new year so we will see then Vegan_Golfer_PNW 1 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, ejgaudette said: I will do an update to start the new year so we will see then Sounds good. I plan to check in Jan 2 weather depending ejgaudette 1 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS TD Cat 4 60g 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter:Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: Prime 4.0 Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize Glove: My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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