Caddie1966 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 19 hours ago, Dibb said: I'd like to get people's opinions on walking vs riding. This is obviously a broad topic, considering there are a lot of factors like weather, walking ability, etc. Just wanted to see everyone's take on it. I play with a Saturday group where i would say 80% of the people walk with a push cart, and I think most of them do it for exercise given their age and life style outside the course. But being a younger member of the group and living in South Texas, I don't find it enjoyable to walk in 100* weather especially if I'm carrying my bag. All thoughts are much appreciated! I’ve been walking and playing for 58 years. I’m a North Texas 70 year old who has ridden 8 times this year over 56 rounds. 2 rounds at a resort course where walking wasn’t an option, 2 times in tournaments where we had to ride and 4 times in the past 2 weeks given the weather in July. I will alternate walking and riding from now through August. Really early rounds will be walking and any start time after 9:30 I will ride. I use a bag boy 4 wheel cart I’ve had for the past 10 years, prior to that I carried. Walking helps keep me healthy and keeps my runway model physique in shape . Walking gives me the chance to talk more with my playing partners instead of just my cart partner. I plan my next shot, review my last swing and just enjoy the day and the round. I have always found walking the course to be a better experience. DrRob1963, GolfSpy_BEN, wolfpacker92 and 2 others 3 1 1 Quote 917D2 driver 3 wood TS2 19 degree and 21 degree hybrids 0211 5-GW irons Glide 56 and 60 degree wedges EXO7 putter MAX grip Pro V1 Link to comment
Nat Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 My course is very hilly (more elevation changes than AN). I still walk 95%. In sept-may I carry, summer I’ll use a push cart. I will ride when it gets ridiculously hot, like it is now if I’ve worked out early and have a later tee time. I find I concentrate much better when walking. Waximus Prime, cksurfdude and DrRob1963 3 Quote Driver: Sim 9*, ventus blue 6R 4 wood: Tour Edge cb4 16.5*, nvs 65 reg; Maltby KE4 IST pro 20*, maltby tour series regular Irons: Golfworks TS2, 5-GW (5 iron with UST Recoil F3; 6-GW, Nippon 950h reg) Wedges: Golfworks TSW 52* and 58*, Nippon 950GH Putter: Odyssey Versa 12 Ball: Maxfli tour Bag: Sun Mountain 2.5 Link to comment
KG0716 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 When it is not 90 plus degrees out I prefer to walk. Now that being said if I am in a foursome, or skins match I will take a cart to make pace of place faster. However on week nights or if I am out with my kids when the course is not as busy I prefer to walk (with a push cart) I feel I play better and enjoy my time more. Not so much rushing around and feeling pressured to play fast. Again it all depends on how busy the club tee sheet is and format I am playing. Love the topic discussion! cksurfdude, DrRob1963 and Waximus Prime 3 Quote Kyle WITB: Callaway Rogue LST 10.5 Ping G425 5 Wood Callaway Rogue LST 3 Wood Taylormade Sim 2 Hybrid Mizuno JPX 923 Forged Iron Set Cleveland RTX Wedges Scotty Phantom 11.5 Putter Ball: Pro V1 or Chromesofts Link to comment
ButchE Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 we've ground this flour before. walk if you wanna, ride if you don't. At 67, and having walked way too many miles already, I'm not walking 1 hole. My jobs required physical labor and covering about 45 acres. I was as skinny as the running gears of a KadyDid. The guy who covered for me one day wore a pedometer: 13 miles. 1 day. times 25 years. do the math, and that's not counting the Army/farming/brick tendering/ railroad all done before that job. nope... not walking any further than the parking lot. Quote Link to comment
Jason Costain Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 my default is push cart as you get to see more of the course plus the this gives you the chance to calm down after a bad result.( I don't know why people carry ego? it's not as if the pro's carry) really long courses or really hot cart is a fallback. cksurfdude 1 Quote Callaway Maverik 9 (@ 10 ) Driver or TaylorMade BRNR at 11.5 Callaway GBB epic 3W, 5W Callaway DCB 4-AW (+1" and 2 up) Titleist Vokey SM8 50-08, 58-08 Odyssey Stroke Lab double wide Tailormade TP5x, or Prov1's Link to comment
Wib081 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 20 hours ago, Dibb said: I'd like to get people's opinions on walking vs riding. This is obviously a broad topic, considering there are a lot of factors like weather, walking ability, etc. Just wanted to see everyone's take on it. I play with a Saturday group where i would say 80% of the people walk with a push cart, and I think most of them do it for exercise given their age and life style outside the course. But being a younger member of the group and living in South Texas, I don't find it enjoyable to walk in 100* weather especially if I'm carrying my bag. All thoughts are much appreciated! So I live in northeast Ohio and it can get warm but not south Texas warm lol. I use a push/pull cart if I’m by myself. However if I’m with my kids or someone that doesn’t like to walk I’ll hop in a cart. Personally I like the exercise from walking and I don’t noticed much difference in the time it takes to complete a round. If it were me I’d use my push/pull cart every time but I let my playing partners choose if that’s what they want to do. cksurfdude 1 Quote I’ve got a bad feeling about this. Driver- AI Smoke Triple Diamond 10.5 Fujikura Ventus Velocore+ 6x/ Mini Burner Copper 11.5 Project X HZRDUS Black 6.5 Fairway- Stealth 2, 5 wood Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0/ Burner Bubble 2, 7 wood (sometimes) Utility- 3 Utility Project X HZRDUS Black Smoke RDX 6.0 (sometimes) Irons- JPX 921 Forged KBS $120 5-GW Wedges- Vokey SM 56 and 60 Flatstick- Scotty Cameron Phantom X 7.5 Link to comment
Matt Reed Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I started walking with a friend group regularly. I bought a cheap push cart which did the trick and committed to doing it. We have a good course for walking but TN summers can get dangerously hot for a fat old man. I have trouble walking two days in a row so I wouldn’t do that. It certainly negatively affects how I play due to being out of shape. I would say at least 2 shots but possibly more. I purchased a mgi zip navigator and hope to make a renewed commitment to walk more. It didn’t take much for me to convince myself to ride. DrRob1963, cksurfdude and Wib081 3 Quote Matt Reed WITB- gaming my TM M4 and still blasting it by my buddies. tsi 3w and 7w. Won a bet that paid for my ZX5 irons. Vokey wedges. Looking to make a switch on my putter but can’t justify it, maybe I’ll make another bet. Link to comment
Murv Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I am 79. And I play with an 85 year old and an 81 year old and we all walk. Out of 12 retirees 9 of us walk. Several have electric walk behind carts the rest regular carts. When it is hot and humid we sometimes walk nine and ride nine. We don't walk real fast...we pace ourselves. We average 4 hour rounds. Golf is a better game walking. cksurfdude, Wib081 and DrRob1963 2 1 Quote Link to comment
OldCaddie Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Definitely walking. Electric carts killed a lot of caddy programs. WFWP91, Wib081, DrRob1963 and 1 other 4 Quote Srixon Driver ZX5 Mk II Srixon ZX Fairway 3 Wood Titleist 904 F Fairway Wood 5 Wood 19° Graphite Design YS-6+ Graphite Stiff Shaft Titleist AP3 irons Titleist 52 degree gap wedge Cleveland RTX Zipcore 56 degree wedge EVNROLL ER2 putter 33 inches Link to comment
toncol Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 It's a game designed for walking and I find that I play better when I walk. I tend to be a walk/carry guy most of the time. I'm more focused on what I'm doing and more in tune with the course. In my opinion, as you walk to your approach shot say, you get a feel for the wind, the ground, the temps etc...all the things that will influence the next shot. Also, if your previous shot wasn't great, you haven't rushed up in a cart, still PO'd, and followed a bad one with another. That said, I'm not banging the drum for either point of view. If walking is your thing, more power to ya. If you prefer to ride, go for it, it's your call. Couldn't care less what anyone else chooses to do. Here in the NE it can easily be 90s with high 80s humidity on a summer day and walking 18 can be tough duty, so sometimes I'll walk the front and ride the back. It's all about enjoying the round and playing in a reasonable amount of time. I play from tees at about 6800 yds at my course, and unless someone holds me up, I can easily play in under 4 hrs, walking or riding. cksurfdude 1 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 driver w/Tensei White S, Cobra F9 3W & 5W w/Hazrdus Black S, Mizuno Pro221s 4-PW S-300s .75" long, TM MG series 50,54,58. GP Z-Grip, Cameron Pro Platinum Newport 2 putter. Link to comment
cakeman Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Wish I could walk. Exercise would do me good but unfortunately bad knees puts me in a cart cksurfdude 1 Quote Link to comment
Stuka44 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) Our regular group uses carts throughout the summer. Then when fall and winter come, and the temps drop, and courses become cart path only, my one brother and I who play all winter long, will walk. We find walking much more convenient when cart path only, and walking when its 37 degrees at tee off, helps keep the body temp up for about 14-15 holes, by the last few the cold seems to be getting in a little, but its almost over. And two courses which are open all winter, are nice and flat, and very conducive to walking, and they are two of the best draining, as they are near the lake, and have very sandy soil. Edited July 19, 2023 by Stuka44 cksurfdude 1 Quote Driver: Cobra King Speedzone Irons: Mavrik 4-GW Wedges: CG-14 56 & RTX 52 Hybrid: Callaway Apex Pro 2H Woods: Gigagolf 3W, Putter: Ping Scottsdale Wolverine Ball: Srixon Z-Star XV Link to comment
skywalker90 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 My decision is almost always based on the situation. My default is to walk with a push cart and agree with the notion that the game is better when walking. But, there are plenty of scenarios that I choose to ride Weather. I do have an umbrella holder for my push cart but if its its steady rain for 18, I'm riding Speed round. I have a newborn at home and on the special times i've been able to get out to play, i do it first thing in the morning and have chosen to ride. With no one ahead of me and a riding cart I can get a round in in 2 hours and home before the baby wakes up Socializing. If I'm playing with someone that I really want to catch up with I prefer to share a riding cart. I know if we are both walking, there would technically be more time to talk, but i've strangely found it more difficult to converse when walking cksurfdude 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X Gen 4 w/ Tensi AV White 75 X-Stiff 3 Wood: Ping i25 w/ Ping PWR 75 Tour X-Stiff 2 Iron: Taylormade 770 w/ MMT 105 Stiff 4-5 Iron: Callaway Rogue ST Pro w/ Modus 120 X-Stiff 6-9 Iron: PXG 311 ST w/ Elevate Tour v2 Stiff 46 Degree: Vokey SM8 F Grind 50 Degree: Mizuno T22 D Grind 54 Degree: Mizuno T22 D Grind 60 Degree: Vokey SM9 M Grind Putter: Scotty Cameron Champions Choice Newport 1.5+ Link to comment
ccostel18 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 19 hours ago, Dibb said: I'd like to get people's opinions on walking vs riding. I play a mixture of both. For my regulars and myself it really is course dependent. Our regular Saturday morning course is always walking with push carts (some of the younger folks carry). I use walking for both exercise and a means of playing better like others have mentioned. It keeps the pace of play moving better because you are not having to traverse back and forth over the course to get to each player’s ball positions. I also just feel more connected to my round. By only being concerned with where my ball is, I can focus on my next shots better as I am walking to it. It also is a means to slow down our pace of play if we get behind a slower group. Walking is also a HUGE advantage when the dreaded cart path/90 degree rule is in effect Sometimes walking just isn’t an option and carts are a must. If I am pressed for time on an open course then I will ride to cover as much ground as I can in as little amount of time as possible. Quote PING G430 LST 10.5 driver Tour Edge Exotics EXS 220 3w PING G400 5w Cobra Speedzone 3h Srixon z585 irons 5-AW Cleveland CBX2 52 Cleveland CBX 56 PING Heppler Anser 2 putter Link to comment
GKgolfin Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I prefer walking for the additional exercise benefit. I have a battery powered cart to avoid having to push a cart around. Seems to also help me loose and in rhythm during the round. I ride when my wife plays or if I play with someone else that needs to ride Quote Link to comment
Mike B Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 At 71 I walk 90% of my rounds. I do play a relatively flat course so that helps. While living in Geargia I played a course that didn't allow walking after a certain age. Extremely hilly course and quite busy. Amazingly when I do ride it is with my son. He doesn't walk. Quote Coming back to golf Link to comment
DotesMaGotes12 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 This is a great topic! I am definitely a morning golfer and if I don't have anything else to do or stuff to get done later in the day I will walk 99% of the time. If I have something I need to get done or I am golfing with a group of buddies then I will ride. I have always said that I play better when I walk because I feel like I am more focused on my game and hitting good shots. I don't want to be playing army golf if I am walking lol. Quote RD12 Link to comment
KB13 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 After watching quite a few of No Laying Up videos a few years ago I decided I wanted to give walking the course a chance - I found it to be a much more enjoyable version of the game (and cheaper depending if the course has walking fees). It lets you see the course architecture in a different way, and learn the course better. I find it to be faster as well - you aren't spending 5 minutes searching for your partners ball that you know went OB but they swore their slice was really a "fade" just because you are along for the ride. I do think you lose some comradery walking if your buddies arent walking too, but its still worth it. DrRob1963 1 Quote KB Titleist GT 3 - Aretera Grey One 75 | 5 Callaway AI Mini Driver - 11.5 - Aretera Grey One 75 | 5 Titleist T100's - Axiom 125x Taylormade Hi-Toe 50,54 Titleist SM10 58 wedge Sik Jo Armlock Link to comment
Zman56 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I love walking 18 holes twice a week! Purchased a Caddeytek push cart during Covid. It is good exercise as I get 12-13k steps each round of golf. I also feel I play better as you see more of the lay of the course most importantly the green as you walk up to the green. However, I played yesterday in 95 degree weather and found I was more tired the last few holes. BallsLeon, ccostel18 and DrRob1963 3 Quote Zgolfen Link to comment
StrokerAce Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I think the game is meant to be walked. I've never played in the UK but I don't think they even have carts? Or if they do you need special permission? When I played at Bandon with a friend who is handicapped he had to get very special permission to use a cart and the caddy drove the cart. Everyone else walked and riding is the exception. That being said I fully understand those people that want to enjoy the game and are unable to walk for one reason or another. I think it's pretty much like everything in golf --- do whatever makes you happy... if there could be a judgment free zone in the world it should be on the golf course. BallsLeon and KB13 2 Quote Driver- Titleist TSR3 10* Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19* Irons- Titleist 718 AP2 (5i-50*) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Wilson Infinite Grant Park Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment
jbern Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 29 minutes ago, skywalker90 said: My decision is almost always based on the situation. My default is to walk with a push cart and agree with the notion that the game is better when walking. But, there are plenty of scenarios that I choose to ride Weather. I do have an umbrella holder for my push cart but if its its steady rain for 18, I'm riding Speed round. I have a newborn at home and on the special times i've been able to get out to play, i do it first thing in the morning and have chosen to ride. With no one ahead of me and a riding cart I can get a round in in 2 hours and home before the baby wakes up Socializing. If I'm playing with someone that I really want to catch up with I prefer to share a riding cart. I know if we are both walking, there would technically be more time to talk, but i've strangely found it more difficult to converse when walking This is almost my situation as well. I play somewhat regularly with a guy who hates walking, so I know if I’m playing with him we’re getting a cart. Otherwise, it all depends on the situation. skywalker90 1 Quote WITB (link to detailed post here): Driver: LTDx 9* (ProjectX BlueSmoke Stiff) Fairway metals: 3W TSR2 14.25* (ProjectX BlueSmoke Stiff) | 5W Gen4 0341XF (Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 75 S) Hybrid: 4H Gen4 0317XF (Mitsubishi Tensei Blue 75HY S) Irons: 659 CB 5-AW (Project X Rifle 6.0) Wedges: 286 54* & 58* (KBS Tour 120 S) Putter: DF3 OFFICIAL MEMBER REVIEW HERE ‘24 Ball: pro drip: red & blue | Tour S Pushcart: 4.0 | '23 MGS Clicgear 4.0 Pushcart Tester | Link here Link to comment
Golf2Much Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Before I moved to Key West, I walked all the time (with the exception of tournaments where carts were required). I found walking helped me keep a certain rhythm to my game and allowed me to better prepare for my next shot. Our course here (the only 18 hole course within 120 miles), we are required to ride in a cart, mostly for maintaining the course's revenue stream. As much as I liked walking, from June to September in Key West, riding certainly helps beating the heat and humidity. ccostel18 1 Quote Ping G430 Max driver 10.5 degrees with an Alta Quick45 gram senior shaft Callaway Epic 3 wood, Project X Evenflow Green 45 gram senior shaft Callaway GBB Epic Heavenwood, with a Mitsubishi Diamana 50 gram senior shaft Ping G 20.5 degree 7 wood, with a stock Alta 65 gram senior shaft Ping G 26 degree hybrid, stock Alta 65 gram senior shaft Callaway Paradym X irons, 7-AW with Aldila Ascent Blue 50 graphite shafts Edison wedges: 50, 55 and 60 degree, KBS Tour Graphite A flex shafts Putters: L.A.B. Direct Force 2.1 putter, 34.5" long, 67 degrees lie MSG Tester: Shot Scope LX+ Rangefinder MGS Tester: Callaway Paradym X Irons MSG Tester: Titleist Long Game Link to comment
Matumbo Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I usually like to walk with my push cart. Mostly for the exercise and fresh air. I've/will take a cart depending on weather, etc. as well (rain, heat, hurt knee). Usually if I'm playing 18, I'll take a cart though have walked 18 before. Quote Golfing for fun. Link to comment
garyt1957 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 hours ago, jolter1 said: Since my late 50's, now 70, I have enjoyed the use of a cart. For me golf was never a means to get excercise, as I do a daily morning workout. What is really fun about using a cart is when I get a sunrise tee time during the week and I am a single. Gosh how much fun it is to play with a continuous rhythm and in under two hours. This is my thought also. I work out for exercise and play golf for fun, so I usually ride. The other day I played 18 with a cart then went and played basketball. But if you're older and walking is all you do for exercise than why not combine them? I'm 66 BTW. Quote Link to comment
badge56 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I am 72 and always walked until I was 68. I cart now. I can still walk and walked a few this year when cooler. But the summer heat and humidity kills me. I did not enjoy myself anymore. Still don't like it when its too hot but at least I can relax on the cart Quote Putter: Guerin-Rife SW: Cleveland CBX2 irons: PXG 0311 XF gen 3 Hybrid 3-4: PXG 0211 3-5 wood: PXG 0211 Driver: PXG 0311 XF gen 5 Link to comment
JRDuck40 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 21 hours ago, Dibb said: I'd like to get people's opinions on walking vs riding. This is obviously a broad topic, considering there are a lot of factors like weather, walking ability, etc. Just wanted to see everyone's take on it. I play with a Saturday group where i would say 80% of the people walk with a push cart, and I think most of them do it for exercise given their age and life style outside the course. But being a younger member of the group and living in South Texas, I don't find it enjoyable to walk in 100* weather especially if I'm carrying my bag. All thoughts are much appreciated! Live in southern Wisconsin. As we ONLY get about 6 months of "golfable" weather, I try and take full advantage. I walk I would have to say around 75% if not 80% of my rounds. Only time I have taken carts over the past month was a trip to Greywalls in Marquette MI. They will actually NOT let you walk this course due to undulation and length between holes. I say grab a push cart and get after it. Quote D-Titleist TSR2 w Mitsubishi Tensei 50g Stiff 5w-Titleist TSI w/ Mitsubishi Tensei 65g Stiff HYB-Titleist TSi 21* w/ Mitsubishi Diamana 65g Stiff Irons-4-PW Toura Golf JCB Japan Forged CB w/ TrueTemper S100 Wedges - Cleveland RTX ZipCore 52/10 56/12 60/8 w/ TrueTemper T100 Putter - Scotty Cameron GoLo S Ball - Titleist AVX Link to comment
No3Putts Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I'm 64 and I walk 90% of the time, sometimes doing36 holes in a day. Over the years I've migrated from carrying my bag to a pushcart to now using the Alphard V2 on my CliqGear. I've used this on days in the high 90's and humid with no issues -- it's great exercise and I love the way walking allows me to truly experience and appreciate the course. The biggest benefit to me though is that I can use the time walking between shots to clear my head and prepare for my next shot. It let's me decompress from mistakes and gives me the chance to think about options without feeling rushed. As importantly, it's a great chance to engage with my playing partners and enjoy the day. I can honestly say, I've never enjoyed a round riding (outside of rainy weather) more than I enjoyed walking. DrRob1963 1 Quote WITB Driver: Titleist TSi3 w/ HZRDUS RDX Black6.0, A1 setting Fairway: Titleist TSi3 15* with HZRDUS RDX Black 6.0, 1/2 short, A4 setting Fairway: Callaway Apex UW, 19* with HZRDUS RDX Black Irons:. Taylor Made P790 4-9 with KBS Tour Flt 120 Stiff shaft Wedges:. Titleist Vokey SM9, 50, 56 with KBS Tour stiff shaft Wedges:. Titleist Vokey SM7, 60* with Tour Flt stiff shaft Putter: Odyssey Ten mallet Ball:. Titleist Left Dash Pro V1x Grips:. Golf Pride MCC+4, 3 wraps Link to comment
Woodrow72 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I walked carrying my clubs for most of 40 years , now I ride as most of the guys I play with do so and many courses are spread out so much , used a push cart for a few years , I still would walk if I had a self propelled cart because I just love walking , but living in Florida most of the year isn’t feasible due to heat and humidity Quote Ping driver ping fairway tour edge irons Cleveland wedges Scotty mallet Link to comment
Beakbryce Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Rather walk than ride. However, like a lot of others on this topic, I live in AZ and I am not walking in the heat. For exercising in the summer just as soon jump on my bike. Besides, get 2.5 to 3 miles walking even when riding. It,s not like you have to park next to a tee or green. Give it some space and you can still get in some steps. Quote Driver: Callaway Epic 9 degree, stiff (set at 10 degrees with the movable weight in the center} FW: Callaway Epic 3,5, heaven wood w/ regular shaft (driver shaft in 3 wood, 3 wood shaft in 5 wood, 5 wood shaft in heaven wood, all three set at neutral plus 1 degree) Hybrids: Callaway BB19 4,6,7 (4 set at neutral plus 1 degree and 6 and 7 set at neutral minus 1 degree for gapping purposes) Irons: Callaway Rogue ST Max 8, 9, PW Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM6 50,54,58 Ball: Titleist Pro V1, 1X, Vice Pro Plus or anything I find that day and try out for the fun of it (I haven't bought balls with my own money in at least 10 years) Link to comment
Wmyoungiv Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 hour ago, BigSissy said: Some slight arthritis is my back makes walking a must for me as it keeps my back muscles loose. I play in Western Washington so heat and humidity are not as much of an issue as in other parts of the country. I used to push a cart, then went to an electric cart, now am having a blast using an eBike. Thanks for saying that, from a physical therapy perspective, most people go the other direction. Quote Dr. Walter Young IV, PT, DPT Link to comment
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