Stack Training System - 2023 Forum Member Review

[ShankSensei]

Greetings from New UK user

Have been following this thread for a while and today took the plunge for TheStack.

Did have some used superspeed sticks but I found the lack of app and ''game'' aspect just led me to not using them. Did see they have had an app pinned since January but im fed up of waiting.

It's bank holiday over here this weekend so I intend to get out in the garden and give the system a go. Have a rapsodo mlm2pro which I will use to log the speed.

Looking forward to it  High Handicapper and I think at present my current driver swing speed is somewhere like 90-94. IF I can get triple digits id be ecstatic! Also intend to let my old man (70) use it, am I right in thinking he can have his own account and use the same serial? I'd love to see him gain some mph too, we both took up the sport just under a year ago now but its become a great way of spending more time together.

[Dooby]

Anyone seem to have issues or major differences between the Stack's estimated driver swing speed versus what your on course driver swing speed is? Part of me thinks my issue is very mental as I seem to be quite a bit slower on course than I am when doing the protocol/practicing/etc.

[DaveP043]

10 minutes ago, Dooby said:

Anyone seem to have issues or major differences between the Stack's estimated driver swing speed versus what your on course driver swing speed is? Part of me thinks my issue is very mental as I seem to be quite a bit slower on course than I am when doing the protocol/practicing/etc.

My personal best eSpeed is about 98 or 99 mph, if I remember right.  Remember, that's at Max Effort, a level of effort I'm really unlikely to use on the course, or even on the range.  When I'm warming up to play, I generally get my driver speed at 94-95 mph, which seems reasonably close given the difference in effort level.

[Dooby]

29 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

My personal best eSpeed is about 98 or 99 mph, if I remember right.  Remember, that's at Max Effort, a level of effort I'm really unlikely to use on the course, or even on the range.  When I'm warming up to play, I generally get my driver speed at 94-95 mph, which seems reasonably close given the difference in effort level.

My current Stack Speed is 105, Driver eSpeed is 113 and I think my on course average actual driver speed is typically like 103ish

[skraeling]

48 minutes ago, Dooby said:

Anyone seem to have issues or major differences between the Stack's estimated driver swing speed versus what your on course driver swing speed is? Part of me thinks my issue is very mental as I seem to be quite a bit slower on course than I am when doing the protocol/practicing/etc.

my stack speed maxes out at 107 and im cruising at roughly 100-102ish I think.  Given my top drives have been in the 280ish yard range.stack speed would be 94, espeed of 103.

You will always swing slower with a ball especially so till you learn to release the kraken and let go and swing harder, the goal being that you raise your max far enough that your crusing speed is much faster than it used to be.

So far that has proven the case for me.  Even just cruising my drives on average are farther than they used to be.  I dont hit a 280yd bomb every time mind you.  Physical / weather / fairway will all affect your speed and distance.  Speed is very touchy to your physical condition at the time.

One round doing just air swings I was hitting 105mph pretty easily, dont remember how the actual ball driving message went but the speed was availible.

[GolfSpy BOS]

12 minutes ago, Dooby said:

My current Stack Speed is 105, Driver eSpeed is 113 and I think my on course average actual driver speed is typically like 103ish

It's fairly typical to see a difference in the two once you start to factor actually hitting a ball in the equation.  It takes a concentrated effort to get that on-course speed closer to the Stack speeds given the actual skill part required to hit the ball in play.

 

Next time you are hitting a bucket of balls make an effort to go all out on some after your warm without worrying about contact and see if you pick up some speed.

[Dooby]

2 minutes ago, GolfSpy BOS said:

It's fairly typical to see a difference in the two once you start to factor actually hitting a ball in the equation.  It takes a concentrated effort to get that on-course speed closer to the Stack speeds given the actual skill part required to hit the ball in play.

 

Next time you are hitting a bucket of balls make an effort to go all out on some after your warm without worrying about contact and see if you pick up some speed.

Will do. I kind of thought it may be more of a mental thing but was curious if people were seeing enough discrepancy or differences to maybe suggest Stack Speed and Driver eSpeed data isn't very accurate or reliable.

6 minutes ago, skraeling said:

my stack speed maxes out at 107 and im cruising at roughly 100-102ish I think.  Given my top drives have been in the 280ish yard range.stack speed would be 94, espeed of 103.

You will always swing slower with a ball especially so till you learn to release the kraken and let go and swing harder, the goal being that you raise your max far enough that your crusing speed is much faster than it used to be.

So far that has proven the case for me.  Even just cruising my drives on average are farther than they used to be.  I dont hit a 280yd bomb every time mind you.  Physical / weather / fairway will all affect your speed and distance.  Speed is very touchy to your physical condition at the time.

One round doing just air swings I was hitting 105mph pretty easily, dont remember how the actual ball driving message went but the speed was availible.

Yeah I haven't quite seen gains with my distance with driver yet but I know a lot goes into it like you mentioned and that's not even getting into strike quality which I think is one of my major issues. 

[GolfSpy BOS]

Just now, Dooby said:

Will do. I kind of thought it may be more of a mental thing but was curious if people were seeing enough discrepancy or differences to maybe suggest Stack Speed and Driver eSpeed data isn't very accurate or reliable.

For me it's certainly more if a "potential" speed than an absolute thing.  There has to be calculations involved considering we don't swing our actual driver during the training, but mine does not seem outrageous or unattainable.  

[skraeling]

5 minutes ago, GolfSpy BOS said:

For me it's certainly more if a "potential" speed than an absolute thing.  There has to be calculations involved considering we don't swing our actual driver during the training, but mine does not seem outrageous or unattainable.  

my espeed so far other than my ultimate max highest score (I think 107) it typically floats between 103-105.  Which is pretty realistic and I can hit that with my driver with no ball pretty repeatably on an air swing.

Edited May 13 by skraeling

[Dooby]

13 minutes ago, GolfSpy BOS said:

For me it's certainly more if a "potential" speed than an absolute thing.  There has to be calculations involved considering we don't swing our actual driver during the training, but mine does not seem outrageous or unattainable.  

Yeah I certainly don't expect every one of my swings to be the number that Stack spits out, especially considering the Max Effort swings are taken into account and I don't think I've ever done a max effort swing on course but I was mentally wrestling with knowing I'm swinging nearly 13 mph slower than my eSpeed suggests. I overall think it is mental after reading through some comments/responses here and also thinking through my rounds and my approach to my tee shots. I think I need to practice with intent on using my speed more to actually get comfortable on course with it rather than just expect it to happen/translate without focusing on it.

[ILMgolfnut]

27 minutes ago, skraeling said:

You will always swing slower with a ball especially so till you learn to release the kraken and let go and swing harder, the goal being that you raise your max far enough that your crusing speed is much faster than it used to be.

I'm starting to touch 90 on my Rypstick workouts but I'm not expecting to get that on the course. Yet. But maybe if I get the workouts to 95 then I can get 90 on the course. And I'm good with that. Regardless, my cruising speed is much better than it was two months ago.

[DaveP043]

14 minutes ago, Dooby said:

I think I need to practice with intent on using my speed more to actually get comfortable on course with it rather than just expect it to happen/translate without focusing on it.

I agree, when I'm doing a range session I specifically take a few swings with the driver at something close to Max effort.  One thing I think happens after a while is that your "cruising speed" gets a little closer to your Max speed, you get more accustomed to using more of your potential.

[GregGarner]

11 hours ago, Dooby said:

Anyone seem to have issues or major differences between the Stack's estimated driver swing speed versus what your on course driver swing speed is? Part of me thinks my issue is very mental as I seem to be quite a bit slower on course than I am when doing the protocol/practicing/etc.

I actually have the opposite happening, but I know it's not Stack-related. I've done enough air swings and ball swings to know that I tend to swing faster with a ball. So while my max effort 195g Stack speed equates to ~111-113 eSpeed, my actual driver swing speed no ball is 108-110 but with a ball is 113-115. (It's also worth noting that you should make sure your Stack app has the correct length of your driver shaft!)

[ShankSensei]

On 5/2/2024 at 4:39 PM, ShankSensei said:

Greetings from New UK user

Have been following this thread for a while and today took the plunge for TheStack.

Did have some used superspeed sticks but I found the lack of app and ''game'' aspect just led me to not using them. Did see they have had an app pinned since January but im fed up of waiting.

It's bank holiday over here this weekend so I intend to get out in the garden and give the system a go. Have a rapsodo mlm2pro which I will use to log the speed.

Looking forward to it  High Handicapper and I think at present my current driver swing speed is somewhere like 90-94. IF I can get triple digits id be ecstatic! Also intend to let my old man (70) use it, am I right in thinking he can have his own account and use the same serial? I'd love to see him gain some mph too, we both took up the sport just under a year ago now but its become a great way of spending more time together.

so the stack system arrived and so far I have done baseline and 3 foundation sessions

 

My baseline driver was 95, and the three sessions I have done I had 100 on speed (so although up from my baseline it’s been stuck on 100 for those 3 sessions) Looking forward to seeing if or how it develops as the next session (tomorrow) includes some max swings which will be the first time for me. Are these where you literally swing for the skies ??? Without thinking you’d actually be trying to hit a ball in theory.

What I will add, was before the stack system my driver was sort of consistently between 200/220 yards. Very very rarely over that.

Tonight down the range I’ve hit a 262 265 and 268, my longest ever! With every driver consistently being around or over 250

Almost worth it already for me! Excited about if I can start going further the more stick with the stack system program.

[Dooby]

On 5/13/2024 at 10:03 AM, Dooby said:

Anyone seem to have issues or major differences between the Stack's estimated driver swing speed versus what your on course driver swing speed is? Part of me thinks my issue is very mental as I seem to be quite a bit slower on course than I am when doing the protocol/practicing/etc.

As a bit of a minor update and as alluded to in my other comments with fellow users, I think it is safe to say I was/am having a mental block on course.  I went to the range the other night and brought my radar to check my speeds and I was not swinging as I freely do when doing the Stack or even compared to my irons/woods.  I began to immediately cruise at 105 or so instead of the 100 I have been on course which better aligns with my Stack Speed and I was able to push higher than that while hitting balls at the range when I tried so 113 max effort speed isn't out of possibility like I thought it was just a week ago. I also was getting better results than normal too.