i’m guessing there’s no rule to save me here

[ryan.mzzz]

this was a fairway bunker my ball found and  came to rest in a big shoe impression. possibly making a fried egg in the shoe print, making the fried egg much deeper than normal.  i did well to advance the ball about 6 feet out of the bunker. i doubt there’s any chance of relief in this situation and is just an unlucky bounce, but i figured i’d ask. 

Edited November 11 by ryan.mzzz

[Josh Parker]

1 hour ago, ryan.mzzz said:

this was a fairway bunker my ball found and  came to rest in a big shoe impression. possibly making a fried egg in the shoe print, making the fried egg much deeper than normal.  i did well to advance the ball about 6 feet out of the bunker. i doubt there’s any chance of relief in this situation and is just an unlucky bounce, but i figured i’d ask. 

Unfortunately it's an unlucky bounce. 

[cnosil]

https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-and-clarifications.html#!ruletype=fr&section=rule&rulenum=12

No free relief options but you can take an unplayable with either a one or two stroke penalty based on what you decide to do.

[Shapotomous]

Unfortunately the rules have you play it as it lies.  And in group matches or touraments you'd only have the unplayable lie option posted earlier.

However, if you and i were in a $5 match that was just between us, i would tell you to move it just outside the footprint.  I want our match to be decided by your ability to play from normally occuring sand trap lies like professionals get to rather than sasquatch prints.  

[Stuka44]

I would second Shapotomous on this one.  And this often devolves into a horrible rules argument but here it goes.  Unless you are playing in a USGA sanctioned event I would never play the ball out of that lie.  The chances that McIlroy, or insert the name of any of 500 professionals, are going to be left with that lie and have to play out of a lie like that is less than being struck by lightning.  So don't let your pride stand in the way of taking free relief for a condition the pro's will NEVER actually be faced with.

[RickyBobby_PR]

8 minutes ago, Stuka44 said:

I would second Shapotomous on this one.  And this often devolves into a horrible rules argument but here it goes.  Unless you are playing in a USGA sanctioned event I would never play the ball out of that lie.  The chances that McIlroy, or insert the name of any of 500 professionals, are going to be left with that lie and have to play out of a lie like that is less than being struck by lightning.  So don't let your pride stand in the way of taking free relief for a condition the pro's will NEVER actually be faced with.

Well if you are playing a round where an official handicap will be entered you are supposed to play it out of that lie and if you choose not to then you must follow the rules of golf for declaring it unplayable.

Doesn’t matter if it’s a sanctioned event or a weekend round, rules of golf apply where handicap is kept.

 

[barney_bogey]

Man... Not sure I'd enjoy playing with people that would look poorly at improving that lie outside of a tournament scenario. I'm fine with it even if we're playing for skins too.

Golf is hard enough.

B

[DaveP043]

14 minutes ago, barney_bogey said:

Man... Not sure I'd enjoy playing with people that would look poorly at improving that lie outside of a tournament scenario. I'm fine with it even if we're playing for skins too.

Golf is hard enough.

B

I play with a big group of friends who choose to play by the Rules of Golf.  We have a great time, and I bet you'd have fun playing in our groups.  Yeah, divots and footprints are awful luck, but we also have balls bounce off trees to the middle of the fairway sometimes.  That's life, thats golf.

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, barney_bogey said:

Man... Not sure I'd enjoy playing with people that would look poorly at improving that lie outside of a tournament scenario. I'm fine with it even if we're playing for skins too.

Golf is hard enough.

B

Its a bad break and rub of the green. When I was playing with the group I played with from the time I started playing golf until the pandemic we had lots of fun playing by the rules. Just like getting a bad break we all get good ones too and nobody is telling people to put the ball back where it should have landed rather than their good break.

only people I know that want free relief from bad breaks are worried about their ego and the score on the card being artificially low

fun comes from the company one plays with not so much from getting relief from bad breaks 

Edited November 16 by RickyBobby_PR

[barney_bogey]

Not sure how to multi quote on Tapa...

Perhaps the difference lies in skill level. My group shoots high scores. Some guys are new, some are just returning to the game after a long break; myself included. We're all absolutely hackers.

I think the goal in this case is to maximize enjoyment and minimize frustration, not to inflate our egos. None of us even carry an official handicap.

Different goals for different groups. (Different strokes for different folks just seemed so cliche)

Playing solo, I'd suck up the bad luck and mark it as scrambling practice. But if my dude looks at me defeated from a bad luck lie, I'm giving him some grace. He'll still probably skull it into the drink but at least he has less of an excuse!

I reckon since we don't play slow it shouldn't bother anyone else. We'll just play it like a game and let you semi pros enjoy being sticklers.

And then the sun will still rise in the morning.

Cheers
B

[Josh Parker]

18 minutes ago, barney_bogey said:

Not sure how to multi quote on Tapa...

Perhaps the difference lies in skill level. My group shoots high scores. Some guys are new, some are just returning to the game after a long break; myself included. We're all absolutely hackers.

I think the goal in this case is to maximize enjoyment and minimize frustration, not to inflate our egos. None of us even carry an official handicap.

Different goals for different groups. (Different strokes for different folks just seemed so cliche)

Playing solo, I'd suck up the bad luck and mark it as scrambling practice. But if my dude looks at me defeated from a bad luck lie, I'm giving him some grace. He'll still probably skull it into the drink but at least he has less of an excuse!

I reckon since we don't play slow it shouldn't bother anyone else. We'll just play it like a game and let you semi pros enjoy being sticklers.

And then the sun will still rise in the morning.

Cheers
B
 

While I play by the rules and take the bad breaks, I absolutely agree with this comment. Most aren't out there to compete or hardly to keep a handicap. Golf is supposed to be enjoyable and for those that may not get to play a ton, and you run in to this situation, move it.  

As I mentioned I follow the rules but I also have different goals when it comes to scoring and wanting to enter a few tournaments. 

 

[RickyBobby_PR]

52 minutes ago, barney_bogey said:

Not sure how to multi quote on Tapa...

Perhaps the difference lies in skill level. My group shoots high scores. Some guys are new, some are just returning to the game after a long break; myself included. We're all absolutely hackers.

I think the goal in this case is to maximize enjoyment and minimize frustration, not to inflate our egos. None of us even carry an official handicap.

Different goals for different groups. (Different strokes for different folks just seemed so cliche)

Playing solo, I'd suck up the bad luck and mark it as scrambling practice. But if my dude looks at me defeated from a bad luck lie, I'm giving him some grace. He'll still probably skull it into the drink but at least he has less of an excuse!

I reckon since we don't play slow it shouldn't bother anyone else. We'll just play it like a game and let you semi pros enjoy being sticklers.

And then the sun will still rise in the morning.

Cheers
B
 

If you aren’t carrying a handicap then do whatever makes you happy. Drop a ball in the fairway instead of playing stroke and distance even if the mlr isn’t in effect. Move the ball to preferred lies and so on. 
 

Heck even do like Mike malaska suggests and use a tee on every shot. 

[GolfSpy_APH]

On 11/11/2023 at 11:09 PM, ryan.mzzz said:

this was a fairway bunker my ball found and  came to rest in a big shoe impression. possibly making a fried egg in the shoe print, making the fried egg much deeper than normal.  i did well to advance the ball about 6 feet out of the bunker. i doubt there’s any chance of relief in this situation and is just an unlucky bounce, but i figured i’d ask. 

There is for animal prints and no human should ever leave a bunker like that and I would consider them an animal. 

[barney_bogey]

If you aren’t carrying a handicap then do whatever makes you happy. Drop a ball in the fairway instead of playing stroke and distance even if the mlr isn’t in effect. Move the ball to preferred lies and so on. 
 
Heck even do like Mike malaska suggests and use a tee on every shot. 

That's a far cry from moving the ball out of a footprint in a bunker to the bunker proper but I hear ya.

So I guess that's a 'no' on a breakfast ball then?

Wishing you favorable bounces.

B

[Josh Parker]

13 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

If you aren’t carrying a handicap then do whatever makes you happy. Drop a ball in the fairway instead of playing stroke and distance even if the mlr isn’t in effect. Move the ball to preferred lies and so on. 
 

Heck even do like Mike malaska suggests and use a tee on every shot. 

I think you are missing the point of his post. He isn't saying just play whatever is best.  

Why discourage someone from learning the game and enjoying it?  I understand your point about the rules of golf and I myself follow them.  But when you are trying to learn the fundamentals of how to play out of the sand, why not play out of one that isn't a footprint. 

Once someone starts to really enjoy the game then they want to start improving and following the letter of the law. Focus changes.

We have all played in for fun scrambles where we select a lie... what is the difference in a "for fun" round 

[Javs]

On 11/11/2023 at 4:09 PM, ryan.mzzz said:

this was a fairway bunker my ball found and  came to rest in a big shoe impression. possibly making a fried egg in the shoe print, making the fried egg much deeper than normal.  i did well to advance the ball about 6 feet out of the bunker. i doubt there’s any chance of relief in this situation and is just an unlucky bounce, but i figured i’d ask. 

You found Big Foot, while the rules don’t allow relief (unless Big Foot is deemed an animal) you could be famous for finding him. Just joking. That lie sucks! However, if you tell me you saved par I’ll buy you a beer!

Edited November 16 by Javs

[RickyBobby_PR]

28 minutes ago, barney_bogey said:

That's a far cry from moving the ball out of a footprint in a bunker to the bunker proper but I hear ya.

So I guess that's a 'no' on a breakfast ball then?

Wishing you favorable bounces.

B

If playing fit no handicap do whatever you want as long as you and/or your group isn’t holding up pace of play.

there’s no reason to play by the rules if just out for the social aspect of golf. The group can make up whatever rules they want to play by.

 

[ryan.mzzz]

47 minutes ago, Javs said:

You found Big Foot, while the rules don’t allow relief (unless Big Foot is deemed an animal) you could be famous for finding him. Just joking. That lie sucks! However, if you tell me you saved par I’ll buy you a beer!

oh no. there was no way i could see to move that much sand, so i tomahawk chopped an eight iron straight down onto the ball with the ball well behind my back foot in my stance. i made contact and popped the ball out of the bunker but just barely, still in the rough and well above my feet. i hit that with a decent 3 hybrid but while trying not to hook it into the drink from that lie, i put it in another bunker on the right side of the green. adrenaline pumping, i put that bunker shot over the green(and down the hill, but not wet!) and got up and down from there. so, a double bogey six. At least it was good for my total putt number. 

[Javs]

9 minutes ago, ryan.mzzz said:

oh no. there was no way i could see to move that much sand, so i tomahawk chopped an eight iron straight down onto the ball with the ball well behind my back foot in my stance. i made contact and popped the ball out of the bunker but just barely, still in the rough and well above my feet. i hit that with a decent 3 hybrid but while trying not to hook it into the drink from that lie, i put it in another bunker on the right side of the green. adrenaline pumping, i put that bunker shot over the green(and down the hill, but not wet!) and got up and down from there. so, a double bogey six. At least it was good for my total putt number. 

Ha ha ha now that is a great recap! Thanks for sharing this!!

[Fred Mitchell]

15 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

If playing fit no handicap do whatever you want as long as you and/or your group isn’t holding up pace of play.

there’s no reason to play by the rules if just out for the social aspect of golf. The group can make up whatever rules they want to play by.

 

Yep call it a scramble . All joking aside I play in a monthly scramble with very few good players. 1 club length no closer to the hole is the rule. Unless the person in charge of the scramble looks at the group and deems it a fair 4 some he puts teams together  to make them as equal as possible. This tournament has been like this for decades and rules havent changed. For 40 bucks you get cart , green fees, 5 canned beers on ice and sponsors pay the closest to the hole/long drive/etc. prizes which is shockingly a small tab at the local Elks Lodge [ previous and long time owner before he passed was a lifetime Elk, do not have to be an Elk to enter though] At no time is this meant to be anything but FUN, Hanging with old friends and meeting new ones on the course.

Edited November 16 by Fred Mitchell
info added