Edel Array Putters . 2024 Forum Review

[Woodrow72]

1 minute ago, cnosil said:

If you were fit to a specific alignment system and it helped you aim better, how can it probably be personal preference?   Kind of contradicts itself??

Your eyesight adapts to what you works for you , that’s why I called it personal choice, some people need no guidelines , some dots  or one dot while others want more but it’s what you feel works for you , don’t you think ?

[cnosil]

2 minutes ago, Woodrow72 said:

Your eyesight adapts to what you works for you , that’s why I called it personal choice, some people need no guidelines , some dots  or one dot while others want more but it’s what you feel works for you , don’t you think ?

So it sounds like you are saying fitting for alignment aids is unnecessary because the player adapts to whatever the alignment aids is.   Basically you just pick what you like and figure out how it works.   
 

I personally don’t think my eyesight adapts, eyesight is what it is.   My understanding of the way Edel fits is that they test different alignment aids to see what works best for you.   There is no personal preference unless 2 or more provide the exact Same performance.   

[Woodrow72]

12 minutes ago, cnosil said:

If you were fit to a specific alignment system and it helped you aim better, how can it probably be personal preference?   Kind of contradicts itself??

When being fitted they ask you if you like the alignment they put on and your eyes have a certain preference on how you view things , that’s why I said personal preference , then if you’re rolling the putt on line it is determined that’s the right item for you . It’s about what you see and what is comfortable that works but you determine what alignment your eyes like . It’s like target shooting , I know my aim and miss is always high right so I compensate by aiming low left . To me it’s what works and makes me confident standing over the putt . 

[GolfSpy AFG]

12 minutes ago, cnosil said:

So it sounds like you are saying fitting for alignment aids is unnecessary because the player adapts to whatever the alignment aids is.   Basically you just pick what you like and figure out how it works.   
 

I personally don’t think my eyesight adapts, eyesight is what it is.   My understanding of the way Edel fits is that they test different alignment aids to see what works best for you.   There is no personal preference unless 2 or more provide the exact Same performance.   

FWIW, from the Edel website:

"All golfers have an aim bias. Every line and visible attribute of a putter drives one's eyes to a specific location and dictates where a golfer aims their putter. This creates path deviations and face rotation challenges, among other compensations. Solve your aim bias by pairing your Array Putter with your optimal alignment plate."

Personally, and I think where you're going with this, I think Edel's intent with their alignment plates is to give you an alignment that corrects for your bias, not necessarily give you the one that best comports with your bias or feels the best.  

[Woodrow72]

7 minutes ago, GolfSpy AFG said:

FWIW, from the Edel website:

"All golfers have an aim bias. Every line and visible attribute of a putter drives one's eyes to a specific location and dictates where a golfer aims their putter. This creates path deviations and face rotation challenges, among other compensations. Solve your aim bias by pairing your Array Putter with your optimal alignment plate."

Personally, and I think where you're going with this, I think Edel's intent with their alignment plates is to give you an alignment that corrects for your bias, not necessarily give you the one that best comports with your bias or feels the best.  

Well all I can add is that it does have me aiming more correctly and my misses are much closer than before , so they system works and I support it fully 

[cnosil]

13 minutes ago, GolfSpy AFG said:

FWIW, from the Edel website:

"All golfers have an aim bias. Every line and visible attribute of a putter drives one's eyes to a specific location and dictates where a golfer aims their putter. This creates path deviations and face rotation challenges, among other compensations. Solve your aim bias by pairing your Array Putter with your optimal alignment plate."

Personally, and I think where you're going with this, I think Edel's intent with their alignment plates is to give you an alignment that corrects for your bias, not necessarily give you the one that best comports with your bias or feels the best.  

Yes.  Thanks for posting that.  Years ago when I did an Edel fitting the aids were used to try and solve my bias by getting me to aim the putter at the center of the hole.   The head shape and alignment were not personal preferences.   

[Bucky CC]

5 hours ago, cnosil said:

Yes.  Thanks for posting that.  Years ago when I did an Edel fitting the aids were used to try and solve my bias by getting me to aim the putter at the center of the hole.   The head shape and alignment were not personal preferences.   

That's how my Edel fitting went about 10 years ago as well.  Technology was a lot less impressive back then though.  My fitter used a dry erase marker on the top of a blank putter head to see which alignment worked best for me.  Ever since then I've tried to find putters with dot alignments versus lines.

[cnosil]

40 minutes ago, Bucky CC said:

That's how my Edel fitting went about 10 years ago as well.  Technology was a lot less impressive back then though.  My fitter used a dry erase marker on the top of a blank putter head to see which alignment worked best for me.  Ever since then I've tried to find putters with dot alignments versus lines.

Same,  had a template that they would use to markup the various options.  

[Bucky CC]

Played another 18 with the Array F-2 today.  Didn't convert any birdie putts on the day but I also only had 1 three putt (from a very tricky location).  For the most part it was nice, boring two putt golf.

[Prodigal Duffer]

15 hours ago, Bucky CC said:

Played another 18 with the Array F-2 today.  Didn't convert any birdie putts on the day but I also only had 1 three putt (from a very tricky location).  For the most part it was nice, boring two putt golf.

How did your SG compare to a normal round? Those numbers look great!

[Bucky CC]

30 minutes ago, Prodigal Duffer said:

How did your SG compare to a normal round? Those numbers look great!

Great question!  Stats last night were in the same ballpark as my gamer putter.  I'll have a detailed breakdown in another week or so after some additional testing when I start to write up my final review.

One thing I know for certain; the Array F-2 is a beautiful putter.

[GolfSpy BOS]

3 hours ago, Bucky CC said:

Great question!  Stats last night were in the same ballpark as my gamer putter.  I'll have a detailed breakdown in another week or so after some additional testing when I start to write up my final review.

One thing I know for certain; the Array F-2 is a beautiful putter.

I would have to agree, they did a really good job with the shaping of the putters.

 

How do you think the dual finish looks in real life?  Notice any differences under direct sunlight?

[Bucky CC]

34 minutes ago, GolfSpy BOS said:

I would have to agree, they did a really good job with the shaping of the putters.

 

How do you think the dual finish looks in real life?  Notice any differences under direct sunlight?

I like the dual finish look.  Having the wings of the F-2 a different color really draws your eyes toward the alignment plate in the center.  Makes completely sense since they have so many different alignment options to fit most any golfer.

Played in bright, sunny conditions yesterday and it looked great the entire round.  I ran outside just now to take a pic under partly sunny skies.  There's a small amount of glare but nothing that would be distracting at all.

[GolfSpy AFG]

So I've only been able to get 3 Stack Putting rounds under my belt with the 3-dot alignment plate changed out for the 3-line.  It's been...interesting.  3 rounds is not enough to be considered statistically significant I would think, but so far...

The top 3 entries are with the 3-line plate.  As you can see, my first go round was basically in line with the 3 dot.  The next round, however, was the worst I've seen with the Array.  More to follow, but I was a bit surprised to suddenly struggle so mightily with it so quickly.

[Thomas doyle]

This putter looks so easy to center the. All strike as with other putters the eye tells us to do something else but the lines on this puttter head is very attractive 

[buckpillar]

6 hours ago, Bucky CC said:

I like the dual finish look.  Having the wings of the F-2 a different color really draws your eyes toward the alignment plate in the center.  Makes completely sense since they have so many different alignment options to fit most any golfer.

Played in bright, sunny conditions yesterday and it looked great the entire round.  I ran outside just now to take a pic under partly sunny skies.  There's a small amount of glare but nothing that would be distracting at all.

I like the dual color, this is a sharp looking putter!

Is there a larger loft than you normal putter and also can you tell if there is a longer skid before the roll is normal?

[Bucky CC]

11 hours ago, buckpillar said:

I like the dual color, this is a sharp looking putter!

Is there a larger loft than you normal putter and also can you tell if there is a longer skid before the roll is normal?

It's definitely a great looking putter.  No complaints in that department.

Loft should be the same.  Here are the specs of my two putters:

Haven't noticed any skidding issues from either putter.  To me the face of the Array F-2 makes it feel like it has a deadening effect on the ball compared to the white hot OG insert.  I don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing though.  If you were playing on a lightning fast green it would be a huge benefit to make sure you don't blow every putt 15' past the hole (not that I've ever done that ).

[Parshooter36]

12 hours ago, buckpillar said:

I like the dual color, this is a sharp looking putter!

Is there a larger loft than you normal putter and also can you tell if there is a longer skid before the roll is normal?

I have been doing a lot of indoor head-to-head testing for my final review. When I am putting from 15 ft I noticed some skidding from my Bloodline Vale, but none from the Edel F-3. It's very noticeable because I can hear the skidding on my putting turf. The Edel has 1/2 degree more loft. I wouldn't think that would be enough to make a lot of difference, so I'm guessing it has more to do with the milling on the Edel face vs the insert on my Bloodline. 

[Prodigal Duffer]

3 hours ago, Bucky CC said:

To me the face of the Array F-2 makes it feel like it has a deadening effect on the ball compared to the white hot OG insert.  I don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing though.  If you were playing on a lightning fast green it would be a huge benefit to make sure you don't blow every putt 15' past the hole (not that I've ever done that ).

I have found the same to be true of the blade (gamer is also an Odyssey with insert).

It does not look like I’ll get out to play this weekend because of weather, so took to my practice green. Figured out that I’ve been sitting the putter with the toe too high, made an adjustment, and started rolling them great. 

I don’t think I have the time to re-run my distance/gate testing before final review is due, but I did some gate putting today with my smallest gate, and the results were really good. 

[Woodrow72]

Since I played yesterday and putted well on the first nine but faltered on  the second I decided to do a little test today . 
 12 putts from 22 feet slightly side hill ( the putting green has no flat putts ) with about 1/3 cup of break -green speed estimated at 9-9.5 - made 2/12 -Not good though I was unconsciously manipulating the putter for the break . Moved to 11 feet -12 balls , same break etc. - made 3/12 but lipped 3 out , still subconsciously allowing for the break as I would with my previous gamer though trying not to do so . 
 Moved to 5@1/2 feet -12 putts made 7 because I made an effort to push the putter back with my left hand which helped -the alignment is spot on as long as human error doesn’t take over and we all have some human input . I ran out of time but will follow up doing the test again with more conscious effort to not manipulate the stroke and trust the alignment 

Edited April 27 by Woodrow72

[Prodigal Duffer]

We were supposed to get rain today, but it came overnight, so I was able to get in nine holes today. Goal for today (testing wise) was to focus on my lie and try to stop leaving putts shorts. I am pretty sure that my tendency to leave putts short is almost entirely mental.

I had 16 putts over nine holes, with a three putt on the first hole. It was a par 5 and I was on in regulation with this look:

Slightly downhill, and I left it very short (five or six feet). My second putt was okay speed, but slightly off line, so it went two feet past. I was very disappointed with a three-putt to start my round. Thankfully, that was the worst hole with the putter.

My short game today was good. I put the ball within 3 feet on 4, 6, and 9 for easy one putts. 

For my testing purposes, I define leaving a putt short as 3 feet or more, not something like this:

This was where I left my first putt on two.

The only hole I left a putt short was 7, where I had about 30 feet, which I left about 3 feet short. Again, I think I chickened out on the downhill lie, but I made the second putt.

Putt of the day came on the par 3 eighth:

I told myself that I would not leave this one short. I didn’t; I buried it!

Here are my Shot Scope stats:

 

My issues today were of my own making: taking the wrong line or psyching myself out on downhill putts. The ball always went on the line I intended and I felt confident with the putter. As I practice and (hopefully) become a better putter, I expect my stats to drastically improve.

Edited April 29 by Prodigal Duffer

[Parshooter36]

I had another one of those days yesterday where nothing was falling. I was putting last in a 4-man scramble, so I knew the line for every putt. I was just struggling with pushing and pulling putts. These were not terrible misses mind you, but it was frustrating none the less. 

My round today has been rained out. I'm supposed to play Wednesday and Thursday, hopefully the weather cooperates.

[Bucky CC]

Quick update on my plans for the rest of the week.  Tonight my son has baseball practice so I have an hour to waste at the nearby golf course.  Hoping to get a little range work in and then head to the practice green with my Array F-2.

Rounds are scheduled for Thursday and Saturday this week weather permitting.

I'll also try for another round of at home indoor testing at some point; though I've noticed my F-2 seems to perform a lot better outdoors on real greens where it really matters.

[Parshooter36]

1 hour ago, Bucky CC said:

Quick update on my plans for the rest of the week.  Tonight my son has baseball practice so I have an hour to waste at the nearby golf course.  Hoping to get a little range work in and then head to the practice green with my Array F-2.

Rounds are scheduled for Thursday and Saturday this week weather permitting.

I'll also try for another round of at home indoor testing at some point; though I've noticed my F-2 seems to perform a lot better outdoors on real greens where it really matters.

I have seen similar results with the F-3. My head-to-head indoor testing was almost a push, but I seem to make more mid range putts than usual with the F-3 when I am on the course.

[GolfSpy AFG]

Have been traveling and away from the F-1, but can't wait to get home and return to testing.

One question that keeps surfacing for me in my mind as the time for the official review approaches:  how much of the F-1 works for me because of the F-1 itself or because of the fitting? In other words, if I picked up an Odyssey of equal dimensions in terms of weight, toe hang, length, loft, and lie, how would the F-1 compare to THAT putter? Edel really sells the fitting and customization options of the Array line as a means to get you into the ultimate fit, so I'm planning to do a bit of research into how easily I could build something out in other popular lines that would get close to my F-1 spec-wise.

[cnosil]

1 hour ago, GolfSpy AFG said:

Have been traveling and away from the F-1, but can't wait to get home and return to testing.

One question that keeps surfacing for me in my mind as the time for the official review approaches:  how much of the F-1 works for me because of the F-1 itself or because of the fitting? In other words, if I picked up an Odyssey of equal dimensions in terms of weight, toe hang, length, loft, and lie, how would the F-1 compare to THAT putter? Edel really sells the fitting and customization options of the Array line as a means to get you into the ultimate fit, so I'm planning to do a bit of research into how easily I could build something out in other popular lines that would get close to my F-1 spec-wise.

I have gotten to the point that I ask myself if I could get better at aiming and starting the ball on the line where I aimed through practice.   How much is the putter and how much is the human factor?  

[Prodigal Duffer]

13 hours ago, GolfSpy AFG said:

Have been traveling and away from the F-1, but can't wait to get home and return to testing.

One question that keeps surfacing for me in my mind as the time for the official review approaches:  how much of the F-1 works for me because of the F-1 itself or because of the fitting? In other words, if I picked up an Odyssey of equal dimensions in terms of weight, toe hang, length, loft, and lie, how would the F-1 compare to THAT putter? Edel really sells the fitting and customization options of the Array line as a means to get you into the ultimate fit, so I'm planning to do a bit of research into how easily I could build something out in other popular lines that would get close to my F-1 spec-wise.

I've been asking myself a similar question. My fitting showed that I already had good alignment even with my gamer. The big difference was in the weight.

[ZackS]

On 4/30/2024 at 6:30 PM, GolfSpy AFG said:

Have been traveling and away from the F-1, but can't wait to get home and return to testing.

One question that keeps surfacing for me in my mind as the time for the official review approaches:  how much of the F-1 works for me because of the F-1 itself or because of the fitting? In other words, if I picked up an Odyssey of equal dimensions in terms of weight, toe hang, length, loft, and lie, how would the F-1 compare to THAT putter? Edel really sells the fitting and customization options of the Array line as a means to get you into the ultimate fit, so I'm planning to do a bit of research into how easily I could build something out in other popular lines that would get close to my F-1 spec-wise.

 

12 hours ago, Prodigal Duffer said:

I've been asking myself a similar question. My fitting showed that I already had good alignment even with my gamer. The big difference was in the weight.

This could be true, but with all the options they have could you really find a 1 to 1 comparison? I don't think you can just go off this was the head shape or this was the alignment line that worked for me because if you switch head shape you might need a different alignment line for that. I think that is their differentiator. 

On 4/30/2024 at 8:04 PM, cnosil said:

I have gotten to the point that I ask myself if I could get better at aiming and starting the ball on the line where I aimed through practice.   How much is the putter and how much is the human factor?  

I have always struggled with alignment despite being a pretty good putter. I have always had to use the line on the ball and just use that to convince myself the alignment was correct which didn't alway work and would lead to indecision in the stroke. I was fit into the EAS series last year. It took me a bit because for some reason I was being stubborn and just wanted to try not using the line and was just not used to that. I have gone back to using the line on the ball so I don't have to remember the spot on the green I picked. But now I don't have issues with feeling I am not aimed correct over the ball and lately I have been putting great. 

Edited May 2 by ZackS

[Woodrow72]

I continue to work with the F-3 , though I have always been considered a decent putter , I also have been streaky . When I’m good the 3-9 foot range always drop but when I’m off they seldom would . With the Edel my confidence of makes from those ranges has increased , uphill, down hill or side hill . We have a plethora of different green conditions here in our  golf courses with speeds changing at times from hole to hole. Yesterday we traveled to a very good course that the greens are huge with severe undulation and speeds of 10+ . The F-3 gave me the confidence to stand over a  4-6 foot downhill putt and stroke it on line into the hole . I struggled with some putts over 70 feet , but the joy of feeling confident on the testing type putt is awesome .I'm convinced the alignment has been improved by the  fitting process . My expectation are  with more repetitions , distance control will improve . 

Edited May 2 by Woodrow72

[ejgaudette]

Love reading all the reviews.

I might have missed it given how much great info everyone is sharing, but I am wondering about everyone's thoughts on the face milling on the Edel. It looks to be a similar concept to the Evnroll or the Cleveland HB SOFT that I use. Have you found it helpful with speed control or keeping the ball on the start line? These are the claims that Evnroll shares on there site.

Keep up the great testing everyone!