TSauer Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Just wondering where everyone is at. I know it can be hard to really compare, seeing that some play more per month than others. But, about how long did you it take you to reach those milestones? How close have you come to breaking the next one? Quote Driver: Aerojet 9* | Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Fairway: G410 3W 13* | Alta CB 65 Hybrid: TS2 18* | Tensei AV Blue 70 S Hybrid: iCrossover 20* | Kai'li White 80 Irons: P790 5-PW | DG S300 Wedges: Vokey SM9 | 52, 56, 60 | DG S200 Putter: Link.1 | Accra x LAB --- LAB Golf Link.1 Review --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGolfHacker Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Once I broke 100,breaking 90 happened fairly quickly (within a few months). It took me a few years to break 80 and I've only done that a few times. The lowest I've gone is a 76. Then marriage and kids happened and with that, practice time. Now I can shoot anywhere from 105 to high 80s. Since the kids are older, my goal is to shoot in the low 80s, high 70s consistently since I have more practice time. MDGolfHacker PlaidJacket, Camcmart, Samuel09152 and 2 others 5 Quote What's In This Lefty's Bag? Driver: TSR2 11° Project X HZRDUS Black 4G 60g 5.5 Flex Fairway Woods: F8 3W Project X Even Flow Blue 75g shaft Fairway Woods: Hybrid: TSR2 18° Graphite Design Tour AD DI-85 Shaft Irons: 2021 T200's 4-GW AMT RED shafts Regular Flex Wedge: Tour Satin RTX 4 Wedges in 52° and 56° 2 Dot Putter: Gray Matter TDP 2.2 32.75" Bag: Three 5 Ball: PRO V1 / Z*Star RangeFinder: In search of new range finder Social Media: Facebook: MD Golfhacker Twitter: @mdgolfhacker Instagram: mdgolfhacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camcmart Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 As of now, I've only broken 100. I've been golfing for about 2 years maybe 3-5 times a month so I'm not able to dedicate a huge amount of time unfortunately, but with a +20 handicap with as much playing as I do I would say is a pretty nice accomplishment. I'm sure I can break 90 by the end of the summer with a bit more playing. How about you, Tsauer? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Driver: 10.5* XR16 R Flex Woods: Big Bertha V-Series 3 Wood R Flex Hybrid: 913H 21* R flex Irons: C300 4-PW R Flex Wedges: SM5 50*, 54*, 58* Putter: 2135 Cero 33" / EXO Seven S 33" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWellingtonINC Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 100 took me maybe 5-10 round 90 maybe 40 -50 rounds Still working on breaking 80, I've shot an 83, that was my best. been playing very frequently for almost 2 years Sent from my LG-H810 using MyGolfSpy mobile app MDGolfHacker 1 Quote Mizuno MP59 - KBS Tour -standard length and Lie (flex, length/lie) Nike Vapor Fly - 8.5* Stiff Right Handed Buffalo Grove 15 HCP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josmi15 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I broke 100 first season back, but I was stuck on 90 for a season. I'm mid 80's now, with an occasional blowup to get me a 90. One of my goals this year is to break 83. Lowest round on regular course 86. I'm getting there Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy MrWellingtonINC and MmmmmmBuddy 2 Quote Titleist 917D2 10.5 Ben Hogan GS53 3 Wood PING G425 MAX 5 Wood Cleveland UHX Launcher 3 Iron PING G30 5-PW Cleveland RTX 3.0 50/10 V-MG Cleveland RTX 3.0 54/14 V-FG Cleveland RTX 3.0 58/12 V -FG EVNROLL ER-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscipleofPenick Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I started young so breaking 100 by my freshman year of high school, and then breaking 90 soon thereafter. 80 took me till I was about 20-22. Sent from my SM-G935P using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattF Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 About a year to break 100. Still struggle to break 90 early in the season but that comes with no practice and not playing a couple of times a week. My best was an 82, so I know it's in there somewhere. Camcmart, MrWellingtonINC, MDGolfHacker and 1 other 4 Quote In the bag: Driver: Darkspeed X 9° UST Mamiya LIN-Q M40X Blue 7F4 Fairway: Apex UW 19° & 21° Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Black 5.5 Irons: JPX 923 HMP 5-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Wedges: T-22 Denim Copper 48°, 52° & 56° UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Putter Sycamore 005 Wide Blade Bag: Fairway 14 stand bag Balls: Chrome Tour Cart: CaddyLite ONE Ver. 8 God Bless America, God save the King, God defend New Zealand and thank Christ for Australia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian A Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 100 consistently the first season I started back. I have yet to break 90, I feel that this year is the year because I've come close, I just need to stop wasting strokes after a bad shot MattF and MDGolfHacker 2 Quote Driver: G425 9* Hzrdus Smoke Green Small batch 6.5 70g Fairway Wood: Cobra Radspeed Big 3 Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Hybrid: Cobra Aerojet 5 Wood Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.5 Irons: T200 (4-AW) AMT Black Stiff Shafts Wedges: Tour Rack 56* 60* Putter: Scotty Cameron Golo 5 Right Handed Pittsburgh, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downlowkey Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 100 - 3 weeks 90 - 2 months 80 - 6 months 70 - 6 years The better you get, the harder it becomes to shave strokes. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy MDGolfHacker, JAGolfore, PlaidJacket and 3 others 6 Quote PXG___0811 X 9* - Mitsubishi Diamana s60 Limited X Cobra___S9-1 Pro 15* - Matrix Ozik XCON 7 S Adams___XTD Forged 3i - Matrix Ozik Program F15 120 S Adams___CMB 4-PW - Matrix Ozik Program F15 120 S KZG___Tri-Tour 50.08__54.10__58.12 - Accra iCWT 2.0-95i S Nike___Method Converge B1-01 (copper insert) Maxfli___'23 Tour X "The most important shot in golf is the next one“ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dang3rtown Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 No clue. My dad never allowed me or my brother to keep score when we were learning the game. He wanted us to focus on learning the game, making shots, etc. We would usually play two or three balls per shot. Basically, until I was 15 every round was an extended practice session. The first time I kept score, I shot somewhere in the low 80's. MDGolfHacker, easyswing9017 and Canucklehead 3 Quote Driver: G 10.5* W/Tour Stiff 65g Ping Shaft Fairway Woods: Cobra F6 13.5*, F6 Baffler 16* Irons: Split Set- i200 3i - 7i , Ft Worth 15s, 8 (36), 9 (40), PW (44) Wedges: TK, 52* & 56* Putter: Sigma G Kushin Bag: Hoofer 5way Balls: TP5/X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGolfHacker Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 100 - 3 weeks 90 - 2 months 80 - 6 months 70 - 6 years The better you get, the harder it becomes to shave strokes. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Agree. Man 6 months to break 80? Nice. How often did you play and did you get lessons during that time? MDGolfHacker MrWellingtonINC 1 Quote What's In This Lefty's Bag? Driver: TSR2 11° Project X HZRDUS Black 4G 60g 5.5 Flex Fairway Woods: F8 3W Project X Even Flow Blue 75g shaft Fairway Woods: Hybrid: TSR2 18° Graphite Design Tour AD DI-85 Shaft Irons: 2021 T200's 4-GW AMT RED shafts Regular Flex Wedge: Tour Satin RTX 4 Wedges in 52° and 56° 2 Dot Putter: Gray Matter TDP 2.2 32.75" Bag: Three 5 Ball: PRO V1 / Z*Star RangeFinder: In search of new range finder Social Media: Facebook: MD Golfhacker Twitter: @mdgolfhacker Instagram: mdgolfhacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWahoo Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 It took me about a year to break 100, but several years to break 90. Truth be known, currently, any round in the 80s is a good day, While I have had 3 rounds in the high 70s during my lifetime, for me to ever break 70, because it ain't gonna happen in this lifetime, I would need to be like the guy that got matched with a Priest. He went to the course as a single and found that the guy with whom he played was a Priest. He said to the Priest, you talk to God often, so could you ask him if there are golf courses in heaven because I have tried to live a good life. They agreed to play again the following weekend and he asked about the courses in heaven. The Priest told him that there are 100 perfectly manicured championship courses in heaven and OBTW, a tee time is reserved for you next Tuesday. Camcmart and Canucklehead 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSauer Posted May 10, 2017 Author Share Posted May 10, 2017 No clue. My dad never allowed me or my brother to keep score when we were learning the game. He wanted us to focus on learning the game, making shots, etc. We would usually play two or three balls per shot. Basically, until I was 15 every round was an extended practice session. The first time I kept score, I shot somewhere in the low 80's. That's actually not a bad thing to do. Yes, score is nice to know but it can affect your game sometimes if that's the only thing you're focusing on. What are you shooting now? As of now, I've only broken 100. I've been golfing for about 2 years maybe 3-5 times a month so I'm not able to dedicate a huge amount of time unfortunately, but with a +20 handicap with as much playing as I do I would say is a pretty nice accomplishment. I'm sure I can break 90 by the end of the summer with a bit more playing. How about you, Tsauer? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Breaking 100 came fairly quick for me, not sure how long, but I also play very often. I would say 90s took around 8 months to a year. Right now I'm on the verge of being able to break 80, hopefully by the end of the year it will happen. Some days I'll shoot mid-high 80s, others I'll be back up to high 90s.. It can be vicious. MattF and dang3rtown 2 Quote Driver: Aerojet 9* | Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Fairway: G410 3W 13* | Alta CB 65 Hybrid: TS2 18* | Tensei AV Blue 70 S Hybrid: iCrossover 20* | Kai'li White 80 Irons: P790 5-PW | DG S300 Wedges: Vokey SM9 | 52, 56, 60 | DG S200 Putter: Link.1 | Accra x LAB --- LAB Golf Link.1 Review --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dang3rtown Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 That's actually not a bad thing to do. Yes, score is nice to know but it can affect your game sometimes if that's the only thing you're focusing on. What are you shooting now? I'm taking golf seriously again for the first time in about 15 years. Somethings are coming back, some are not! After the last update, I believe I'm a 6.2 handicap. My best ever was the summer after I graduated from HS when I briefly dipped in the mythical land of the "+". TSauer 1 Quote Driver: G 10.5* W/Tour Stiff 65g Ping Shaft Fairway Woods: Cobra F6 13.5*, F6 Baffler 16* Irons: Split Set- i200 3i - 7i , Ft Worth 15s, 8 (36), 9 (40), PW (44) Wedges: TK, 52* & 56* Putter: Sigma G Kushin Bag: Hoofer 5way Balls: TP5/X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSauer Posted May 10, 2017 Author Share Posted May 10, 2017 I'm taking golf seriously again for the first time in about 15 years. Somethings are coming back, some are not! After the last update, I believe I'm a 6.2 handicap. My best ever was the summer after I graduated from HS when I briefly dipped in the mythical land of the "+".I would love to visit that mythical land someday. Doubt it will ever happen, but one can dream. Good luck in getting back there. dang3rtown 1 Quote Driver: Aerojet 9* | Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Fairway: G410 3W 13* | Alta CB 65 Hybrid: TS2 18* | Tensei AV Blue 70 S Hybrid: iCrossover 20* | Kai'li White 80 Irons: P790 5-PW | DG S300 Wedges: Vokey SM9 | 52, 56, 60 | DG S200 Putter: Link.1 | Accra x LAB --- LAB Golf Link.1 Review --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dang3rtown Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I would love to visit that mythical land someday. Doubt it will ever happen, but one can dream. Good luck in getting back there. IMG_9024.JPG Hah! I have a 15 month old child so as long as I can shoot 80 or better with some consistency, I'm happy! I will say this if you are serious about lowering your score, you have to have a plan, you have to practice and you have to practice with purpose. Get the Dave Pelz short game bible, write down some of his practice routines and spend an hour or two a day, really practicing chipping and putting the exact way he recommends. Even just an hour a day or "real practice",not just hitting balls will make you score much better, incredibly fast. Do it for a month and you'll notice a serious drop in your handicap. The other thing good players do that everyone should, is spend at least an hour before your round getting ready to play. Like this. Notice, Speith uses an alignment stick on literally every shot he takes, he videos, he measures. Everything is focused and purposeful. Good luck! Shankster, MmmmmmBuddy, Canucklehead and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: G 10.5* W/Tour Stiff 65g Ping Shaft Fairway Woods: Cobra F6 13.5*, F6 Baffler 16* Irons: Split Set- i200 3i - 7i , Ft Worth 15s, 8 (36), 9 (40), PW (44) Wedges: TK, 52* & 56* Putter: Sigma G Kushin Bag: Hoofer 5way Balls: TP5/X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reesedw Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I was late 20's when I started broke 100 the first summer... breaking 90 about 4-5 years playing sporadically. Shot low 80's occasionally for the last 4 years with my lowest round being an 80 2 years ago.. but shoot mid 80's fairly regularly now.. with an occasional 90 something and low 80's thrown in for good measure.. Love the game more than ever would play every day if I could.. MattF 1 Quote Dave- Follow me on twitter @GolfCrazyWA and on Instagram @GolfcrazyWA WITB: Cobra Ultralite Cart Bag Titleist TSR3 Hzrdus Black 65g shaft Cobra F8+ 3wd Hzrdus Red 65g shaft Cobra 3 hybrid Rogue Pro 75g Shaft Cobra 4 hybrid Rogue Pro 75g Shaft Cobra F8 irons 5-GW KBS tour 90 stiff shafts Cobra King Black Wedge 54* Cleveland RTX Zipcore Wedge 58* Snake Eyes Viper Putter. Ball: Taylormade TP-5X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty1885 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 I broke 100 consistently after a few months I started. As soon as I made 7i my best friend. I worked at a golf resort in college and one pro gave me a solid offer by hooking me up with the shinny new callaway big bertha at his cost only one condition, he started me with 5wd off the tee, once I can hit 10 fairway he'd sell me 4wd, then 3wd, 2wd( yep the spoon) then driver(took over a year). This is something I thank him forever, I'm so used to seeing drives in the fairway and I know I can hit any woods off the tee and still know it'll be ok. About 6 months after I broke 100 I broke 90 for the first time and 6 months later I'm an 80s shooter and stay there for a long time til I get the hero shots out of my system and focus on high percentage shots and short game. 2-3 years later I had a breakthrough and start shooting in the single spends the next few years dropping it to 4 where I plateaued. Then I quit the game in 2002-2003. Fast forward to xmas 2013, I started hitting the range and join the private club and in 3-4 months drop to 4 handicap again. Now I'm at 2 on the home course. If I can go back and do it again I'd be able to do it in less than half the time. You may think is crazy but it's not just the skills improved but the mentality. Mid 80s shooters has 80% of the skills as mid 70s shooters but 70s shooters are more mentally ready and comfortable with shooting in their range. I shoot under par all the time but can't seems to get over the next milestone mentality to be a scratch, my brother has every shots I have in the bag and more distance off every club but he's a solid 10, always wondering when is the next hole he's gonna blow up after a few consecutive birdies or pars. That's my 2 cents. Canucklehead and MattF 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSauer Posted May 10, 2017 Author Share Posted May 10, 2017 Hah! I have a 15 month old child so as long as I can shoot 80 or better with some consistency, I'm happy! I will say this if you are serious about lowering your score, you have to have a plan, you have to practice and you have to practice with purpose. Get the Dave Pelz short game bible, write down some of his practice routines and spend an hour or two a day, really practicing chipping and putting the exact way he recommends. Even just an hour a day or "real practice",not just hitting balls will make you score much better, incredibly fast. Do it for a month and you'll notice a serious drop in your handicap. The other thing good players do that everyone should, is spend at least an hour before your round getting ready to play. Like this. Notice, Speith uses an alignment stick on literally every shot he takes, he videos, he measures. Everything is focused and purposeful. Good luck! Thanks for the pointers, man! I actually have that book, I just haven't sit down to read any of it yet. I usually dedicate Mondays as my practice day since the course is empty and I can do just about anything. But you're right, I need a plan. Quote Driver: Aerojet 9* | Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Fairway: G410 3W 13* | Alta CB 65 Hybrid: TS2 18* | Tensei AV Blue 70 S Hybrid: iCrossover 20* | Kai'li White 80 Irons: P790 5-PW | DG S300 Wedges: Vokey SM9 | 52, 56, 60 | DG S200 Putter: Link.1 | Accra x LAB --- LAB Golf Link.1 Review --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downlowkey Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Agree. Man 6 months to break 80? Nice. How often did you play and did you get lessons during that time? I was playing everyday at that point. No individual instruction yet but had attended a junior camp that Summer. We had a tourney (my first) at the end of the week; shot 91 and took home 2nd place. I was playing with a 7 club set of Tour Models that pops built for me. Made ~30 footer in near total darkness a few months later for a 79 (my prior best was 85) that left him speechless on the ride home. Dad shot 77 that day. He bought me a used set of Hogan Edges the next weekend and I started practicing until my hands bled. The 59 club feels a long way off. Quote PXG___0811 X 9* - Mitsubishi Diamana s60 Limited X Cobra___S9-1 Pro 15* - Matrix Ozik XCON 7 S Adams___XTD Forged 3i - Matrix Ozik Program F15 120 S Adams___CMB 4-PW - Matrix Ozik Program F15 120 S KZG___Tri-Tour 50.08__54.10__58.12 - Accra iCWT 2.0-95i S Nike___Method Converge B1-01 (copper insert) Maxfli___'23 Tour X "The most important shot in golf is the next one“ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 My life goal is to post up a 57. Didn't say it couldn't be on a Par 3 course. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy dang3rtown, silver & black and Canucklehead 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Ok, that meme is going nuts on my "trending" tab! Like super fast bobblehead fast. Kind of freaky. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy TSauer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSauer Posted May 10, 2017 Author Share Posted May 10, 2017 Ok, that meme is going nuts on my "trending" tab! Like super fast bobblehead fast. Kind of freaky. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Lmao yeah my bad. I didn't know it was a gif until I posted it, then I went back and replaced it with a picture and for some reason it's still showing up. 🤣 Shankster 1 Quote Driver: Aerojet 9* | Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Fairway: G410 3W 13* | Alta CB 65 Hybrid: TS2 18* | Tensei AV Blue 70 S Hybrid: iCrossover 20* | Kai'li White 80 Irons: P790 5-PW | DG S300 Wedges: Vokey SM9 | 52, 56, 60 | DG S200 Putter: Link.1 | Accra x LAB --- LAB Golf Link.1 Review --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djahubes Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Shot low mid 80s quick. Took years to break 80. Once i did and have the confidence now I can do it pretty consistently Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy TSauer, Shankster, MattF and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 Lmao yeah my bad. I didn't know it was a gif until I posted it, then I went back and replaced it with a picture and for some reason it's still showing up. 🤣 It's ok. I just feel sorry for the poor dude. It looks painful. - Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Haha. Still can't stop laughing at that Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iced Tea and Lemonade Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 I usually play executive courses or scrambles, so I only have a handful of times playing my own ball on a standard course. I broke 100 the 2nd time. At the time though, I was able to go to the range almost daily during lunch. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy TSauer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfinghusker Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 My golf career started playing in a scramble because my buddies needed a 4th. Since then my tournament scores in our club open we're 101 in 2010, 95 in 2011, 88 in 2012 and 78 in 2013. Lowest I've gone is 74. Since 2013 I have kinda leveled a little averaging about 40 per 9 when I play. I shot par once on 9 two years ago but getting consistently in the 70s has been tougher than I expected. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Canucklehead, TSauer and MattF 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eseay32 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 I broke 90 pretty quick. About a year into playing golf which was 7th grade so broke 90 by 8th. I don't remember how long after but I think my freshman year I broke 80 for the first time. Doubled 18 (making about a 10 footer btw) to shoot 79. I still haven't broke 70 unfortunately. I've hit 71 a couple times. But no 70 or under Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Canucklehead and MattF 2 Quote <p>Knoxville, TN 8 Hdcp PXG 0811 10.59deg loft Ping G25 3 wood Titleist 2i rescue Ping I irons +1 upright Vokey Sm5 52, 56, OdysseyRed 2Ball Fang with 1.0 super stroke</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmmmmmBuddy Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 I didn't start playing par 72 courses until I had already been playing the game for a few years. I learned on Par 3's and executive length tracks. My first round on a Par 72 was 94. Broke into the 80's that summer. Broke 70 a few years later, with a career best 67. That was 18 years ago. I play about 10-15 rounds a year anymore, and I am always a threat to shoot 75 or better. (or 95 or higher) Canucklehead and MattF 2 Quote Driver - Ping G430 Max 9° | Ventus Blue TR Hybrid - ZX 16° & 18° | GD Tour IZ S 2 Iron - ZU65 17° | AeroTech SteelFiber 110icw S Irons - ZX7 MKII 4-Pw | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Wedges - RTX 6 Tour Rack 50° 54° 58° | TTDGTI S400, std length 1° flat Putter - L.A.B. Golf Link.1 | LA Golf P135 shaft | Garsen Quad Tour grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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