jwlong410 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Last Thursday I hit a TS4 at a Titleist Demo Day and the numbers were a significant improvement over my current driver (910D3). I can get the driver build from Titleist for a decent discount below retail because of connections, so there's some strong incentive to go that route. However, the TS4 is literally the first driver I've hit in the last 8 years besides my 910D3. I have no other frame of reference. It's possible that I'd put up better numbers with a Ping, TM, Mizuno, Cobra, etc. driver than the TS4. However, if I go to get fitted it'll cost me extra $ at a minimum, or I'll pay full retail (vs. the discount through my Titleist rep). So what would you do? Numbers are good with the TS4 - Just run with it and don't look back! Should really swing more than 1 other driver before buying. Overall my main need/goal is to kill spin, so I'm looking at TS4, G410 LST, ST200G, etc. There's obviously fewer options there than the full pool of drivers. Quote TSi3 @ 9° w/ Tensei AV White 65 TSi2 5W @ 14.5° w/ Tensei AV White 75 P790 4-7, P760 8-PW w/ Project X 6.0 50°, 56°, 60° Pro Platinum Newport Mid-Slant Hybrid 14 Stand Bag ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zrumble Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, jwlong410 said: Last Thursday I hit a TS4 at a Titleist Demo Day and the numbers were a significant improvement over my current driver (910D3). I can get the driver build from Titleist for a decent discount below retail because of connections, so there's some strong incentive to go that route. However, the TS4 is literally the first driver I've hit in the last 8 years besides my 910D3. I have no other frame of reference. It's possible that I'd put up better numbers with a Ping, TM, Mizuno, Cobra, etc. driver than the TS4. However, if I go to get fitted it'll cost me extra $ at a minimum, or I'll pay full retail (vs. the discount through my Titleist rep). So what would you do? Numbers are good with the TS4 - Just run with it and don't look back! Should really swing more than 1 other driver before buying. Overall my main need/goal is to kill spin, so I'm looking at TS4, G410 LST, ST200G, etc. There's obviously fewer options there than the full pool of drivers. Get fit is going to be the number one reply. And there are things you can learn in a fitting that are valuable. Plus you can tweak a lot of variables these days to really help your delivery of the clubface (which is what really matters for launch parameters). A 10 year gap in driver technology is huge, so I would expect improved numbers with most clubs off the shelf. If you really like the way the TS4 looks, feels, and plays and the numbers back it up then it might just be the right club for you. Any chance you can demo one for a few rounds? jwlong410 and fixyurdivot 2 Quote Stats: 5'4", Male, R-Handed, Moderate Tempo, Driver SS 115mph Driver: Taylormade SiM Max 9*, TM Ventus Blue 6X 3w/5w: Callaway X-Hot, S-flex Fubuki shafts 3h: Tour Edge EXS Pro, Smoke Black 80g 6.0 4i-PW: Mizuno MP-4, DG S300 Wedges: Titleist SM7 56* Wedge: Callaway Jaws w/ 12* of bounce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, jwlong410 said: Last Thursday I hit a TS4 at a Titleist Demo Day and the numbers were a significant improvement over my current driver (910D3). I can get the driver build from Titleist for a decent discount below retail because of connections, so there's some strong incentive to go that route. However, the TS4 is literally the first driver I've hit in the last 8 years besides my 910D3. I have no other frame of reference. It's possible that I'd put up better numbers with a Ping, TM, Mizuno, Cobra, etc. driver than the TS4. However, if I go to get fitted it'll cost me extra $ at a minimum, or I'll pay full retail (vs. the discount through my Titleist rep). So what would you do? Numbers are good with the TS4 - Just run with it and don't look back! Should really swing more than 1 other driver before buying. Overall my main need/goal is to kill spin, so I'm looking at TS4, G410 LST, ST200G, etc. There's obviously fewer options there than the full pool of drivers. I would think this is going to come down to personal preference. You can get fit and remove doubt from your mind, you may or may not find a better fit than the TS4. You could also just pull the trigger on the TS4 knowing that upgrading your 10 year old driver will produce better results and be happy with the change. If it was me I would hit all of them but again that is my preference. jwlong410 1 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwlong410 Posted June 18, 2020 Author Share Posted June 18, 2020 Appreciate the thoughts. Going back today to re-confirm the fitting details (also want to try my current shaft in the TS4 to see what that looks like). I'm basically just trying to decide if the extra $200 and time for a full fitting with multiple drivers is going to be worth it. Agree the jump is going to be big regardless, just not sure if any potential marginal gain from one new driver over another is worth the extra time/cost. Quote TSi3 @ 9° w/ Tensei AV White 65 TSi2 5W @ 14.5° w/ Tensei AV White 75 P790 4-7, P760 8-PW w/ Project X 6.0 50°, 56°, 60° Pro Platinum Newport Mid-Slant Hybrid 14 Stand Bag ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 You were basically fit for the driver from a specific manufacturer. They took their lineup and found the best combination for you. You can go get another fitting and maybe find something better or maybe the titleist will come out on top. What “gain” would make another fitting worthwhile to you? Is 5 more yards worth the cost? How about narrowing dispersion by 5 yards? I’d probably go with the Titleist jwlong410, aerospace_ray and revkev 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyRM7 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 That’s a tough one...I would get fit to remove all doubt from my mind knowing it’s a driver and I’d probably be playing it for another 10 years. Logically I’d say that most any new driver will probably be an improvement, especially if spin is the big factor in your gains. Depends on what value you put on the possibility of finding something better. For me, it would always be in the back of my mind, especially on a bad day with the TS4. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk jwlong410 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanoito Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 I have my fittinf scheduled for next Saturday. Somehow, I feel my Epic is gonna hold its own vs the new drivers (after a few lessons last week). But I'm still paying the fitting to get ease of mind. Better 100 bucks to find out than 399 wasted, right? If I was you, I would pay for fitting to be 100% sure. Nothing worse than playing golf with doubts in your mind. HardcoreLooper and jwlong410 2 Quote SpeedZone 9* w/ Aldila Rogue Silver 60 S X2 Hot 3 Deep 14.5* w/ Aldila Tour Green 75 S JetSpeed 5W 19* w/ Matrix Velox T 69 S OR Super LS 3H 19* w/ Kuro Kage Black 80 S JPX919 Forged 4-PW w/ Modus3 105 S Vokey SM7 50/08F, 54/14F & 58/08M w/ Modus3 115 Wedge ER1 34" w/ SuperStroke Fatso 2.0 Pro / H2NO Lite Cart Bag / 3.0 / NX7 Pro LRF My reviews: MLA Putter // Titleist SM7 // PING i500 // PuttOUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 You know you could try tru fit for 8$ or whatever that is now.For me it’s always should be about value - are the gains worth $200 to you? For me it would have to be significant dispersion, forgiveness or length or better both. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy jwlong410 and aerospace_ray 2 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RI_Redneck Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 You sound like a Titleist guy and the differences between heads with optimized shafts is small at best. I would stick with the TS4. BT jwlong410 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 I have had a situation like this before. Callaway and Taylormade had 150% trade in bonuses, so i limited the options to those two or keep the current gamer. I ended up going with a SIM Max. Is there some head out there that may be a better fit for me, maybe? But the value I got from the trade in bonus was too good to forego. HardcoreLooper, cnosil and jwlong410 3 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 On 6/18/2020 at 11:20 AM, jwlong410 said: Last Thursday I hit a TS4 at a Titleist Demo Day and the numbers were a significant improvement over my current driver (910D3). I can get the driver build from Titleist for a decent discount below retail because of connections, so there's some strong incentive to go that route. However, the TS4 is literally the first driver I've hit in the last 8 years besides my 910D3. I have no other frame of reference. It's possible that I'd put up better numbers with a Ping, TM, Mizuno, Cobra, etc. driver than the TS4. However, if I go to get fitted it'll cost me extra $ at a minimum, or I'll pay full retail (vs. the discount through my Titleist rep). So what would you do? Numbers are good with the TS4 - Just run with it and don't look back! Should really swing more than 1 other driver before buying. Overall my main need/goal is to kill spin, so I'm looking at TS4, G410 LST, ST200G, etc. There's obviously fewer options there than the full pool of drivers. If the numbers were good, why NOT go with it??? If it’s better than what you’re playing, go with it, I say. aerospace_ray and cnosil 2 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 I’m curious what the numbers are with the ts4 and what they were with the 910d3. Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwlong410 Posted June 20, 2020 Author Share Posted June 20, 2020 21 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said: I’m curious what the numbers are with the ts4 and what they were with the 910d3. Going on Thursday (had my dates mixed up; thought it was last week) so I'll share here once I do. Quote TSi3 @ 9° w/ Tensei AV White 65 TSi2 5W @ 14.5° w/ Tensei AV White 75 P790 4-7, P760 8-PW w/ Project X 6.0 50°, 56°, 60° Pro Platinum Newport Mid-Slant Hybrid 14 Stand Bag ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 33 minutes ago, jwlong410 said: Going on Thursday (had my dates mixed up; thought it was last week) so I'll share here once I do. But your op said you hit the ts4 last Thursday and the numbers were a significant improvement over your current driver. These are the numbers I’m curious about. Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tchat07 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Appreciate the thoughts. Going back today to re-confirm the fitting details (also want to try my current shaft in the TS4 to see what that looks like). I'm basically just trying to decide if the extra $200 and time for a full fitting with multiple drivers is going to be worth it. Agree the jump is going to be big regardless, just not sure if any potential marginal gain from one new driver over another is worth the extra time/cost.I'd honestly stick with the Titleist. If the distance is good and it is reliable to where you want it makes sense. Unless you are a very competitive golfer or have a lot of disposable income I think saving money for a solid product makes a lot of sense.Sent from my SM-G950U using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerospace_ray Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 IF fitting numbers were good and the TS4 fits your eye, feels good then I would keep things simple and go with the TS4 and save the $$. Sounds like a win win. IF you have any doubts and say a couple of your numbers were borderline (like dispersion and spin) then IMO you test and take your time to find a quality driver for the amount of $$ those things can cost today. Yeah, ~10 year since last driver, its time to start another 10 yr run Good luck jwlong410 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwlong410 Posted June 22, 2020 Author Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/20/2020 at 1:50 PM, RickyBobby_PR said: But your op said you hit the ts4 last Thursday and the numbers were a significant improvement over your current driver. These are the numbers I’m curious about. It was 7-8 swings as he was packing up from a Titleist Thursday event. I scheduled a proper time for a fitting this coming Thursday to dial in shaft and what not. Those couple of swings were way better than my current driver based on distance and launch alone, but it wasn't a proper fitting and I was just hitting while he packed up the rest of the clubs. Quote TSi3 @ 9° w/ Tensei AV White 65 TSi2 5W @ 14.5° w/ Tensei AV White 75 P790 4-7, P760 8-PW w/ Project X 6.0 50°, 56°, 60° Pro Platinum Newport Mid-Slant Hybrid 14 Stand Bag ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 6 hours ago, jwlong410 said: It was 7-8 swings as he was packing up from a Titleist Thursday event. I scheduled a proper time for a fitting this coming Thursday to dial in shaft and what not. Those couple of swings were way better than my current driver based on distance and launch alone, but it wasn't a proper fitting and I was just hitting while he packed up the rest of the clubs. Do you have the numbers between the two from that day or was your op really just saying the swings and visual results were better with the ts4 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwlong410 Posted June 22, 2020 Author Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said: Do you have the numbers between the two from that day or was your op really just saying the swings and visual results were better with the ts4 I don't remember the exact numbers, I was just peeking at the laptop between shots. I was carrying the ball ~15-20 yards further (thereabouts) for example. Like I said - it wasn't a proper fitting experience which is why I scheduled time to go back and do it in a more official capacity. Set a true baseline, then hit the TS4 with different shaft options, etc. Quote TSi3 @ 9° w/ Tensei AV White 65 TSi2 5W @ 14.5° w/ Tensei AV White 75 P790 4-7, P760 8-PW w/ Project X 6.0 50°, 56°, 60° Pro Platinum Newport Mid-Slant Hybrid 14 Stand Bag ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I don't remember the exact numbers, I was just peeking at the laptop between shots. I was carrying the ball ~15-20 yards further (thereabouts) for example. Like I said - it wasn't a proper fitting experience which is why I scheduled time to go back and do it in a more official capacity. Set a true baseline, then hit the TS4 with different shaft options, etc.Did you hit your driver on their launch monitor? Comparisons need to be made head to head. Launch monitors are great tools but unless you know exactly how they are setup you really can’t compare clubs. RickyBobby_PR 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwlong410 Posted June 22, 2020 Author Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, cnosil said: Did you hit your driver on their launch monitor? Comparisons need to be made head to head. Launch monitors are great tools but unless you know exactly how they are setup you really can’t compare clubs. Yep, I agree. That's why I'm going back for a direct comparison! For what it's worth, the visual backed up the data. With my driver I was landing it short of the last green at the range (~275) and with the TS4 I was landing it on and over that same green. All of this is why I wanted to schedule and do a proper fitting. The original swings were really just enough to make me fully commit to a proper fitting and buying a new driver (if the numbers bore out what I felt/experienced on those swings). Quote TSi3 @ 9° w/ Tensei AV White 65 TSi2 5W @ 14.5° w/ Tensei AV White 75 P790 4-7, P760 8-PW w/ Project X 6.0 50°, 56°, 60° Pro Platinum Newport Mid-Slant Hybrid 14 Stand Bag ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGolfHacker Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 15-20 yards is a big jump on distance! If you have any doubt, spend $150 and go to a club champion and get fitted for a driver. They are brand agnostic so they can narrow the best driver head and shaft combo. If the gains are insignificant, then stick with the Titleist. Personally, I'd get fitted properly from Titleist since your are already looking at significant yardage gains. You can apply any savings from the purchase to a shaft not on Titleist's standard offerings if it gains you more control and distance. MDGolfHacker Quote What's In This Lefty's Bag? Driver: TSR2 11° Project X HZRDUS Black 4G 60g 5.5 Flex Fairway Woods: F8 3W Project X Even Flow Blue 75g shaft Fairway Woods: Hybrid: TSR2 18° Graphite Design Tour AD DI-85 Shaft Irons: 2021 T200's 4-GW AMT RED shafts Regular Flex Wedge: Tour Satin RTX 4 Wedges in 52° and 56° 2 Dot Putter: Gray Matter TDP 2.2 32.75" Bag: Three 5 Ball: PRO V1 / Z*Star RangeFinder: In search of new range finder Social Media: Facebook: MD Golfhacker Twitter: @mdgolfhacker Instagram: mdgolfhacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwlong410 Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 (edited) Ok, here were the final results: 910D3: 251 Carry, 267 Total, 3378 RPM, 155.7 mph TS4: 278 Carry, 302 Total, 2390 RPM, 160.4 mph Overall I gained 35 yards of total distance and 27 yards of carry with the TS4. In terms of dispersion, they were comparable in terms of horizontal distribution, but the TS4 was more consistent in terms of length. All my TS4 swings were between 288 and 314 total yardage. My 910D3 ranged from 257 to 296 total yardage (carry dispersion was similar but the TS4 was rolling out further because of the less spin and better landing angle). I also learned that I was hitting 3 clubs the same distance. My 4I, 816H2 Hybrid, and 3-Wood all carry ~225 yards. The 3-Wood rolls out to 245, the hybrid to 235, and the 4I to 233. So I also hit a TS3 @ 13.5° as more of a driving 3W. That carried 243 and rolled out to 264 (basically the same as my current driver) so I'm probably going to look at that as a safer option off the tee and for long Par 5s. Then I'll need to decide which of the other three clubs gets pulled, but there's a distinct chance I end up with two "3 Woods" in the bag. Edited June 26, 2020 by jwlong410 aerospace_ray 1 Quote TSi3 @ 9° w/ Tensei AV White 65 TSi2 5W @ 14.5° w/ Tensei AV White 75 P790 4-7, P760 8-PW w/ Project X 6.0 50°, 56°, 60° Pro Platinum Newport Mid-Slant Hybrid 14 Stand Bag ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 2 hours ago, jwlong410 said: Ok, here were the final results: 910D3: 251 Carry, 267 Total, 3378 RPM TS4: 278 Carry, 302 Total, 2390 RPM Overall I gained 35 yards of total distance and 27 yards of carry with the TS4. In terms of dispersion, they were comparable in terms of horizontal distribution, but the TS4 was more consistent in terms of length. All my TS4 swings were between 288 and 314 total yardage. My 910D3 ranged from 257 to 296 total yardage (carry dispersion was similar but the TS4 was rolling out further because of the less spin and better landing angle). I also learned that I was hitting 3 clubs the same distance. My 4I, 816H2 Hybrid, and 3-Wood all carry ~225 yards. The 3-Wood rolls out to 245, the hybrid to 235, and the 4I to 233. So I also hit a TS3 @ 13.5° as more of a driving 3W. That carried 243 and rolled out to 264 (basically the same as my current driver) so I'm probably going to look at that as a safer option off the tee and for long Par 5s. Then I'll need to decide which of the other three clubs gets pulled, but there's a distinct chance I end up with two "3 Woods" in the bag. What was your ball speed and angle of attack with the two drivers? Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwlong410 Posted June 26, 2020 Author Share Posted June 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: What was your ball speed and angle of attack with the two drivers? Angle of attack was consistently in the -1° to +2° range. I averaged 0.4° with the 910D3 and 1.2° with the TS4. Ball speed was 155.7 with 910D3, 160.4 with TS4 (club speed was 109.5 with 910D3, 109.0 with TS4). Quote TSi3 @ 9° w/ Tensei AV White 65 TSi2 5W @ 14.5° w/ Tensei AV White 75 P790 4-7, P760 8-PW w/ Project X 6.0 50°, 56°, 60° Pro Platinum Newport Mid-Slant Hybrid 14 Stand Bag ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juspoole Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Those are pretty good numbers, but for me I'd still want to know if the club was truly best suited to my game. Since you had a 910 still in the bag, it seems like you are stronger than most at putting aside the shiny object. I think if you are confident in the TS4 - go for it. However, it seems like you are questioning it a bit. If you tackle those answers now with a fitting, you won't be looking back a year from now and still thinking what if...... jwlong410 1 Quote Driver: Mavrik Sub Zero 9* (Set to 10) Ventus Blue 6X 2 Hybrid: TSI3 Hybrid Tensei Blue 80 X (17.25*) 3 Hybrid 818 H2 Hybrid Hzrdus RDX Black 6.5 (20.5*) 4 Iron - T200 4 Iron Graphite Design Tour AD IZ X Hybrid Shaft Irons 5-PW: T100-S 5 - GW KBS Tour 130 X Gap/Sand Wedge: Vokey SM6 49* SM8 54* Lob Wedge: Jaws 5 Wedge 58* DG Tour Issue Stiff Putter: Phantom 5.5 34" Pro Platinum Newport 2 35" Taylormade Tour Black Spider 34" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwlong410 Posted June 26, 2020 Author Share Posted June 26, 2020 17 minutes ago, juspoole said: Those are pretty good numbers, but for me I'd still want to know if the club was truly best suited to my game. Since you had a 910 still in the bag, it seems like you are stronger than most at putting aside the shiny object. I think if you are confident in the TS4 - go for it. However, it seems like you are questioning it a bit. If you tackle those answers now with a fitting, you won't be looking back a year from now and still thinking what if...... So I ended up going and hitting a few other drivers (not a fitting, but hit them all with the low spin, low launch shafts to match the EvenFlow White in the TS4). I absolutely hated the feel of the Cobra (it felt... clanky?!). The Ping G410 LST was ok, dispersion was good but it wasn't as long and it didn't have the same "buttery" feel as the TS4. The only one that made me thing about it was the ST200G. I liked that driver a lot, and the adjustability made it interesting. I had comparable distance on that one to the TS4 and a little worse dispersion. I suspect that one could be a viable option for me, but the TS4 was $150 cheaper. The only drivers I didn't hit that I was curious about was the SIM and the Mavrik Sub Zero. That said, I'm not wure the weighting of the SIM heads make a ton of sense for my swing and the Mavrik Sub Zero would be $150 more than the TS4. So all in all, I feel pretty good about moving forward at this point. Getting comparable/better numbers for $349 instead of $499 makes it a much easier decision for me. Quote TSi3 @ 9° w/ Tensei AV White 65 TSi2 5W @ 14.5° w/ Tensei AV White 75 P790 4-7, P760 8-PW w/ Project X 6.0 50°, 56°, 60° Pro Platinum Newport Mid-Slant Hybrid 14 Stand Bag ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juspoole Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, jwlong410 said: So all in all, I feel pretty good about moving forward at this point. Getting comparable/better numbers for $349 instead of $499 makes it a much easier decision for me. Certainly understand. I usually go with pre owned to save a few bucks myself. I had the TS3 for a while and it was fair, but always seemed to line up a bit closed to my eye. Hitting the MavRik SZ better than I have anything ever so far. Part of that is the Ventus shaft as well to be fair. Best of luck with the TS4! jwlong410 1 Quote Driver: Mavrik Sub Zero 9* (Set to 10) Ventus Blue 6X 2 Hybrid: TSI3 Hybrid Tensei Blue 80 X (17.25*) 3 Hybrid 818 H2 Hybrid Hzrdus RDX Black 6.5 (20.5*) 4 Iron - T200 4 Iron Graphite Design Tour AD IZ X Hybrid Shaft Irons 5-PW: T100-S 5 - GW KBS Tour 130 X Gap/Sand Wedge: Vokey SM6 49* SM8 54* Lob Wedge: Jaws 5 Wedge 58* DG Tour Issue Stiff Putter: Phantom 5.5 34" Pro Platinum Newport 2 35" Taylormade Tour Black Spider 34" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 12 hours ago, jwlong410 said: Angle of attack was consistently in the -1° to +2° range. I averaged 0.4° with the 910D3 and 1.2° with the TS4. Ball speed was 155.7 with 910D3, 160.4 with TS4 (club speed was 109.5 with 910D3, 109.0 with TS4). So the distance gains came from several factors. Improved ball speed and launch characteristics especially spin. That’s a good improvement Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwlong410 Posted June 26, 2020 Author Share Posted June 26, 2020 2 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said: So the distance gains came from several factors. Improved ball speed and launch characteristics especially spin. That’s a good improvement Killing spin was a huge part of it, probably the majority of the gains. I do think that I was getting better ball speed and flights on off-center hits. When I caught it really good, the TS4 was maybe ~6% better than my current driver. When I mishit it, it was maybe ~15% better (from spin reduction and better ball speed on off-center hits). 2 hours ago, juspoole said: Certainly understand. I usually go with pre owned to save a few bucks myself. I had the TS3 for a while and it was fair, but always seemed to line up a bit closed to my eye. Hitting the MavRik SZ better than I have anything ever so far. Part of that is the Ventus shaft as well to be fair. Best of luck with the TS4! The Evenflow White shaft was a huge part of it, I think. I hit it with a bunch of shafts and the Evenflow felt incredible and the ball came off like a rocket every time. I wouldn't have even consider buying it with the HZRDUS or Diamana shafts I hit it with. It's amazing how the right shaft/head combination can make such a massive difference. Quote TSi3 @ 9° w/ Tensei AV White 65 TSi2 5W @ 14.5° w/ Tensei AV White 75 P790 4-7, P760 8-PW w/ Project X 6.0 50°, 56°, 60° Pro Platinum Newport Mid-Slant Hybrid 14 Stand Bag ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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