revkev Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Between Callaway’s ball claims and now Cleveland’s wedge claims I’m over it. If you’re really a game changer you don’t have to tell people about it, IMO. It just happens. I would say that the real game changers in my golfing life time have been: Ping with its Putter and then Eye 2 iron. Real technology jumps with both that caused large number of players on tour to use them and also that had a carry over impact for the rest of us. Taylor Made’s original one - yes the Big Bertha was a great advance after that because it proved that bigger was better but the move to metal was insured with that Pittsburg persimmon driver. For all of us. The Pro VI will forever be the ball that changed the ball in my lifetime. In two weeks everyone had to game it on tour. I’ve never seen anything else like that. There have been any number of great clubs, balls or other advanced but to me each of these were true trend setters and permanent game changers. Reactions? Have I left something out? Again this is I my golfing life time - going back to the mid 60’s. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy sirchunksalot, fixyurdivot and JohnSmalls 3 Quote Driver: Taylor Made Xi10 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 R flex - 44.25 Fairways: Ping G410 5, 7, 9 wood Alta CB red 65 R flex Hybrid: Ping G410 26 degree Alta CB Red 70 R flex Irons: Ping G430 7-PW, 45, 50 Alta CB black 65 soft R flex Wedges: Ping 195 S54, E58 Wedges and irons are - 1/2” and one degree flat Putter: Sacks Parente Duke 32.5” Ball: Titleist Pro VI or Callaway Chrome Soft X ls While not at the same time I was fit for every club in my bag as well as the Pro VI ball. I use the chrome soft x ls on my league course. It has much softer softer greens than the club that I belong to. I’m on a mission to shoot my age - lifetime lowest round is 66 and I’m currently 67. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscipleofPenick Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 Between Callaway’s ball claims and now Cleveland’s wedge claims I’m over it. If you’re really a game changer you don’t have to tell people about it, IMO. It just happens. I would say that the real game changers in my golfing life time have been: Ping with its Putter and then Eye 2 iron. Real technology jumps with both that caused large number of players on tour to use them and also that had a carry over impact for the rest of us. Taylor Made’s original one - yes the Big Bertha was a great advance after that because it proved that bigger was better but the move to metal was insured with that Pittsburg persimmon driver. For all of us. The Pro VI will forever be the ball that changed the ball in my lifetime. In two weeks everyone had to game it on tour. I’ve never seen anything else like that. There have been any number of great clubs, balls or other advanced but to me each of these were true trend setters and permanent game changers. Reactions? Have I left something out? Again this is I my golfing life time - going back to the mid 60’s. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpyThe original Odyssey 2-ball. Everybody that didn't have a Scotty bagged that thing when I was a caddy. I also think the TaylorMade R7 drivers because those were the first with adjustable weights.I agree with you 100% on the original Pro V1 because that solid core ball changed everything. Let's just be realistic. The USGA hasn't changed ball or club specs in a decade plus. Wasn't the last major change them rolling back wedge grooves? My point is everything is maxed out to those specifications already. When manufacturers talk about revolutionary changes, realistically we're looking at things like making the cover of golf balls tenths of a millimeter thicker or thinner or moving the CG half a centimeter deeper in a club head. Without major USGA changes or the development of a truely revolutionary material for club construction this is as good as it's gonna be. Take Dead Aim sirchunksalot, revkev, TR1PTIK and 2 others 5 Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted March 6, 2021 Author Share Posted March 6, 2021 I like the R7 call - yes adjustability is a huge change.Was the two ball really something new or an enhancement? It certainly had a good, albeit short run.Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy TR1PTIK, sirchunksalot and JohnSmalls 3 Quote Driver: Taylor Made Xi10 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 R flex - 44.25 Fairways: Ping G410 5, 7, 9 wood Alta CB red 65 R flex Hybrid: Ping G410 26 degree Alta CB Red 70 R flex Irons: Ping G430 7-PW, 45, 50 Alta CB black 65 soft R flex Wedges: Ping 195 S54, E58 Wedges and irons are - 1/2” and one degree flat Putter: Sacks Parente Duke 32.5” Ball: Titleist Pro VI or Callaway Chrome Soft X ls While not at the same time I was fit for every club in my bag as well as the Pro VI ball. I use the chrome soft x ls on my league course. It has much softer softer greens than the club that I belong to. I’m on a mission to shoot my age - lifetime lowest round is 66 and I’m currently 67. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 For me, the advent of the introduction of steel to golf. First with shafts, then with drivers/fairways, etc. Then balls in the 90s. TR1PTIK, sirchunksalot and JohnSmalls 3 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscipleofPenick Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 I like the R7 call - yes adjustability is a huge change.Was the two ball really something new or an enhancement? It certainly had a good, albeit short run.Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpyWas there something before that accomplished the same type of visual aid? The early 2000s was when I got into golf so I don't recall putters that weren't in the Anser-type head shape, Bulleye, or Zebras. Even if it wasn't the first it still led to the alignment aid boom in mallet putters that's still going with Triple Track.Take Dead Aim sirchunksalot 1 Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 2 hours ago, DiscipleofPenick said: Was there something before that accomplished the same type of visual aid? The early 2000s was when I got into golf so I don't recall putters that weren't in the Anser-type head shape, Bulleye, or Zebras. Even if it wasn't the first it still led to the alignment aid boom in mallet putters that's still going with Triple Track. 2 hours ago, revkev said: Was the two ball really something new or an enhancement? It certainly had a good, albeit short run. I Kam going to say enhancement. the Pelz 3 ball was in 1986 sirchunksalot, JohnSmalls, TR1PTIK and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 A couple of things that might be considered game changers would be the advancement of materials in woods: persimmon, steel, titanium, and now the incorporation of carbon; the use of milling machines over forgings which allowed for more precision in manufacturing. In the fitting world, it would be the use of shaft adapters/club connex to allow people to try club combinations without fitters having to have glued clubs in stock. Callaway's AI for design will become a game changer; as well as 3D printing. TR1PTIK, THEZIPR23, JohnSmalls and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 I'll also add Broadie's work for strokes gained; it has changed the way people play/strategize golf. TR1PTIK, sirchunksalot, THEZIPR23 and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: XCG7 Beta 15* w/Fujikura Fuel Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscipleofPenick Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 A couple of things that might be considered game changers would be the advancement of materials in woods: persimmon, steel, titanium, and now the incorporation of carbon; the use of milling machines over forgings which allowed for more precision in manufacturing. In the fitting world, it would be the use of shaft adapters/club connex to allow people to try club combinations without fitters having to have glued clubs in stock. Callaway's AI for design will become a game changer; as well as 3D printing.We could also say the rubber grip. Hand wrapping leather had to be so difficult and precise. Take Dead Aim sirchunksalot, cnosil and JohnSmalls 3 Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 I'm really looking for stuff that we can remember as opposed to stuff that we know happened historically. For example I'm going out on a limb here and guessing that PMookie was not around when steel shafts first came out. I knew there was something before the two ball - had forgotten that it was Pelz - why not? I agree with the AI stuff although it seems as if a number of companies were there about the same time - it certainly will be the wave of the future. Beyond a doubt Brodie and his type of statistical analysis are huge game changers - great call there. It amazes me still when I hear an older announcer wondering if a guy were better off laying up to a "favorite" yardage or hitting it so close to the green. It's like asking if you'd rather have a 230 hitter who bangs 40 dingers or a guy who hits 10 and bats .300. The object in golf at the professional level is to shoot the lowest score and the object in baseball is to score the most runs. If research suggests a different way of thinking, I'll go with the research every time. cnosil and JohnSmalls 2 Quote Driver: Taylor Made Xi10 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 R flex - 44.25 Fairways: Ping G410 5, 7, 9 wood Alta CB red 65 R flex Hybrid: Ping G410 26 degree Alta CB Red 70 R flex Irons: Ping G430 7-PW, 45, 50 Alta CB black 65 soft R flex Wedges: Ping 195 S54, E58 Wedges and irons are - 1/2” and one degree flat Putter: Sacks Parente Duke 32.5” Ball: Titleist Pro VI or Callaway Chrome Soft X ls While not at the same time I was fit for every club in my bag as well as the Pro VI ball. I use the chrome soft x ls on my league course. It has much softer softer greens than the club that I belong to. I’m on a mission to shoot my age - lifetime lowest round is 66 and I’m currently 67. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscipleofPenick Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 I agree with you on the research@revkev but for me it needs to be definitive. For example I was eating through the Shot Scope books the other day and found contradictory data, or at least thier conclusions. In their driver section the data suggested hitting driver all the time no matter what. But in their approach shot section they state that it is paramount importance to be in the fairway as that is the best way to get it close to the flag. Wellllll which is it? Rip driver to have a shorter approach or make sure one is in the fairway to give the best chance to knock it close? There is no real conclusion here and one has to decide what approach is best based on their own skills and confidence. Take Dead Aim MaxEntropy and JohnSmalls 2 Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juspoole Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Movable sleeves and weights in drivers I think is huge from a fitting standpoint and letting average golfers enjoy the game more if properly fitted. The push for hybrids have been very big as well. From 2005 to now, the amount of players using them is staggering. JohnSmalls 1 Quote Driver: Mavrik Sub Zero 9* (Set to 10) Ventus Blue 6X 2 Hybrid: TSI3 Hybrid Tensei Blue 80 X (17.25*) 3 Hybrid 818 H2 Hybrid Hzrdus RDX Black 6.5 (20.5*) 4 Iron - T200 4 Iron Graphite Design Tour AD IZ X Hybrid Shaft Irons 5-PW: T100-S 5 - GW KBS Tour 130 X Gap/Sand Wedge: Vokey SM6 49* SM8 54* Lob Wedge: Jaws 5 Wedge 58* DG Tour Issue Stiff Putter: Phantom 5.5 34" Pro Platinum Newport 2 35" Taylormade Tour Black Spider 34" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 On 3/6/2021 at 9:13 AM, revkev said: Between Callaway’s ball claims and now Cleveland’s wedge claims I’m over it. If you’re really a game changer you don’t have to tell people about it, IMO. It just happens. I would say that the real game changers in my golfing life time have been: Ping with its Putter and then Eye 2 iron. Real technology jumps with both that caused large number of players on tour to use them and also that had a carry over impact for the rest of us. Taylor Made’s original one - yes the Big Bertha was a great advance after that because it proved that bigger was better but the move to metal was insured with that Pittsburg persimmon driver. For all of us. The Pro VI will forever be the ball that changed the ball in my lifetime. In two weeks everyone had to game it on tour. I’ve never seen anything else like that. There have been any number of great clubs, balls or other advanced but to me each of these were true trend setters and permanent game changers. Reactions? Have I left something out? Again this is I my golfing life time - going back to the mid 60’s. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy +1 on PING's Anser putter and Eye 2 irons. Karsten Solheim is to golf what Nikola Tesla was to electricity. More recently I would add Henri Johnson's introduction of ball launch monitor technology and the significant advances of these system in the subsequent few decades. The ability to move from static club fitting to dynamic fitting is huge. JohnSmalls and revkev 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 (edited) I don't think anything other than what Rev named, is an actual game changer. AI, materials, tech, etc ... are all game enhancers, IMO. Edited March 9, 2021 by silver & black spelling revkev 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerospace_ray Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Agree most definitely with Ping . Especially attention to club fitting (color codes for lie angle), perimeter weighting cast clubs and the Anser.Maybe not a game changer, Maybe not well known with current generation golfers that only buy OEM off the rack but As a long time club builder/fitting hobbyist I appreciate Tom Wishon and his research regarding golf shafts. Major influence within clubmaking/fitters community and in my opinion impacted many golf shaft designers. To me he demonstrated truth testing in his research/efforts to help fit golfers to a proper golf shaft. To me that body of work is a lot like the MGS drive & commitment to gathering quality measurable data sets to find truth in which clubs, products work/fit best to a golfer. Sent from my SM-N960U using MyGolfSpy mobile app JohnSmalls and fixyurdivot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSmalls Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Forums like this where we can all support each other's club hoe-ing ways fixyurdivot, cnosil, MaxEntropy and 1 other 4 Quote Gameday Vessel Sunday 2.0/ Ogio Silencer Dynapwr Carbon | Hzrdus Smoke Black Mavrik 3w | Evenflow Riptide FG Tour F5 Hybrid(20,23) | MCA Fubuki Staff Model CB 5-PW | DG 120 Vokey SM7 (50, 54, 58) | DG 120 Studio Stock 15 -ProV1x (left dash) Romans 10:9 Classic Bag Jones Collegiate Clemson Stand Bag Eye 2 Laminate 1973 Staff Dynapower 4-PW Anser DUO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thin2win Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 I guess from tour adoption, nothing is going to compete with the ProV1. But... Graphite shafts in drivers comes pretty close. They went from non-existent to 98% adoption in a very short time frame. I remember Tiger's first wins were with a 43" steel shaft. That extra 2-3" of controllable club has done as much as anything to add distance. Taylormade Spider putter. Honorable mention (yes, I did just get one). revkev 1 Quote WITB: Driver: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4 FW Wood: Gen5 0311 7w Fujikura Motore X F3 Irons: ZX7 PW-7i, ZX5 6i-5i Wedges: Zipcore 50°, 58° Putter: MySpider X Cart: Onewheel XR+ Ball: Z-Star Diamond/ Z-Star XV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 The switch to metal drivers was pretty significant, I can still hear Peter Allis saying “ he’s hitting a “metal wood” during telecasts. But after a short time they were all metal.Oversized putter grips is another and that one wasn’t that long ago....there were a few guys adding Superstroke grips as an after market customization and then in a very short time it’s hard to find a putter sold without one.Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy revkev 1 Quote XR Driver Matrix Ozik 8m3 Black Tie Shaft King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft PXG 0211 DC 5-PW Mitsubishi MMT 80 Shafts RTX ZIPCORE 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 2.0 grip MTB Twitter: @timldotson Instagram: timldotson Facebook: TimDotson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakeeriegolfer Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 5 hours ago, TBT said: Oversized putter grips is another and that one wasn’t that long ago....there were a few guys adding Superstroke grips as an after market customization and then in a very short time it’s hard to find a putter sold without one. I remember when the fat Tiger Shark grips came out, and some of the guys at the club I caddied at got them. It was so weird, and honestly a pain to handle the larger grip when double-bagging and trying to get two of them into two different overstuffed golf bags. Lots of grip sticking issues with bags with those and the really tacky Winn grips. revkev 1 Quote Driver: Taylormade Rocketballz 9* Stock. 3-Wood: Callaway Epic Sub-Zero, 15*. Hybrid: Sub70 949x Pro 19*. Irons: Taylormade rac LT 3-PW. Wedges: Vokey F-Grind 52*, 58*. Putter: Rife 2-Bar Blade Putter. Pro V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxEntropy Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 On 3/9/2021 at 10:21 AM, DiscipleofPenick said: For example I was eating through the Shot Scope books the other day and found contradictory data, or at least thier conclusions. You must have been HUNGRY! Quote Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 SW: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54* LW: TAIII Black 58* Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Test Currently In Progress: Fit For Golf 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscipleofPenick Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 You must have been HUNGRY! I DEVOUR a ton of golf content this time of year. Mostly it's eating out of boredom waiting for the season to start.Take Dead Aim revkev, cnosil and MaxEntropy 2 1 Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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