Chip Strokes Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Shankster said: Banned swimsuits… what the actual… What’s next? Cyclists cant shave their legs? banned swimsuits are better than band swimsuits. have you seen some of those tuba players? Rob Person, Shankster and GolfSpy_SHARK 3 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Just now, Chip Strokes said: banned swimsuits are better than band swimsuits. have you seen some of those tuba players? Oh we are NOT going to go there. You want a war, pal????????!!!!!!?????????1111111????? Shankster, MaxEntropy, GolfSpy_SHARK and 3 others 6 Quote In my carry bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai/li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Launcher 5h Launcher CBX 6i-PW CBX 54* & 58* Huntington Beach #10 e12 Contact CURRENTLY TESTING - Mizuno Long Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 1 minute ago, russtopherb said: Oh we are NOT going to go there. You want a war, pal????????!!!!!!?????????1111111????? please no, we finally just got out of one. Rob Person 1 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said: please no, we finally just got out of one. Rob Person, DaveP043 and Chip Strokes 2 1 Quote In my carry bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai/li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Launcher 5h Launcher CBX 6i-PW CBX 54* & 58* Huntington Beach #10 e12 Contact CURRENTLY TESTING - Mizuno Long Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 1 hour ago, LICC said: And that is the whole original point of this discussion, that the armlock putter should not be within the rules. This is going in a circle so no point in continuing. I think that is the point of the warning. I wasn’t involved in the conversations or had with the mods, but I don’t think the issue was with you opinion,. It the way you appear to dismiss other opinions as been wrong simply because you don’t agree and find quotes from people (players, ruling bodies, etc) that support you position. We all know there are people on both sides of all topics, but ultimately they are all opinions. The purpose is to help explain why you yourself have that opinion and possibly help others see a different perspective. My opinion isn’t wrong simply because I don’t agree with you. I typically don’t respond to your posts and asked you not to quote me in these controversial topics because of this. 1 hour ago, Shankster said: Banned swimsuits… what the actual… What’s next? Cyclists cant shave their legs? They banned the use of the physio tape for cyclist in the Olympics when the Dutch team all had Thentapemcown the front of their shins 1 hour ago, Chip Strokes said: @LICCyou failed to address nearly ALL of the things i brought up. a ballplayer can get a bat produced in nearly any way he chooses so as to give himself the best possible chance of producing a good result. the same way a golfer can get a putter produced in nearly any way he chooses so as to give himself the best possible chance of producing a good result. ...within the rules. (let's not forget that armlock is still well within the rules) should it be illegal for a baseball player to get a 36" bat and choke up 3" for more control? Id actually liken the little rubber thing that players put on their thumbs to help control the bat more to anchor putting than the actual bat itself. https://www.baseballthumbguard.com/ Chip Strokes 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 I think what this thread has taught us is that there are 2% of people who don't agree with the armlock/anchoring split, the other 98% either don't give two sh**s or are fine with the way it is. Following the 2% is exactly how the ruling bodies got in this situation in the first place, when banning anchoring. The amount of energy wasted on the 2% is unbelievable. silver & black, Chip Strokes, GolfSpy_SHARK and 4 others 5 2 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LICC Posted August 11, 2021 Author Share Posted August 11, 2021 @cnosil- I didn't quote you. Not sure to what you are referring. I give my opinion and I provide information to support it. That is not dismissing, it is giving a counter-point. I can't say why some people can't handle reading a counterpoint, but the mods have blamed me and I'm trying to avoid going in circles in these discussions. Even now, all I did was quote an article. That led to me getting attacked by others that my points are not valid, don't apply, etc. ... cnosil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, LICC said: @cnosil- I didn't quote you. Not sure to what you are referring. I give my opinion and I provide information to support it. That is not dismissing, it is giving a counter-point. I can't say why some people can't handle reading a counterpoint, but the mods have blamed me and I'm trying to avoid going in circles in these discussions. Even now, all I did was quote an article. That led to me getting attacked by others that my points are not valid, don't apply, etc. ... You didn’t quote me this time, but I have asked you not to quote me in the past. Unfortunately past perceptions will continue even though they might not need too. It is kind of like this response, I gave an opinion on how I think people’s perceive your posts and you respond by saying it’s not me it’s everyone else. Anyway, Hope you find what you are looking for on the forum. MaxEntropy, Chip Strokes and GolfSpy_SHARK 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_SHARK Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 3 hours ago, blackngold_blood said: Ok last thing then I’m done forever. The same ball argument for baseball applies only to the ball in golf nothing more. Bats to hit the ball or arms to throw it equate more to the club than anything and bat more so than arm. Not all bats are the same weight or length or even material just like not all clubs are. Man it took some catching up to do in this thread @blackngold_bloodfamous last words my friend (as I quote you, you will respond, see what I did there) 3 hours ago, Chip Strokes said: i'm aware of what a balk is. my two seasons in the mets organization taught me a thing or two. and submarine and underhand free throws are very valid corollaries. they're deviations on a "standard" motion that give SOME players an advantage over others. namely, the players who can't get the job done doing things the conventional way. if your issue is the changing of the equipment, then are you ok with the infinite number of baseball bat varieties? flared knob, no knob, choking up, pinky off, axe handle....how about different weights, lengths, weigh to length ratios, barrel to hand ratios, materials? how about the guys who still play in metal spikes vs. the ones who choose to play in turf shoes? what about different face masks in football? visors? flak jackets? or nba players who wear compression sleeves, wrist bands, or finger sleeves. if i'm a swimmer and want to wear a speedo, but the guy in the next lane has on the suit that comes to his knees, should i protest? these are all things that make a much larger MENTAL difference than a PHYSICAL difference, but are well within the rules of their sport. why should golf be any different in this respect? The mets?! To quote Stephen A "CMON MAN!", JK I am for the mets, nice line of equipment there Chip Strokes 1 Quote Check out my reviews: G710 Irons Official Review I MC Shaft & V Series Putter Official Review 2022 Forged Tec's Official Review I Nitron Push Cart Official Review WITB: Weapons of grass destruction (link to WITB) Traverse is filled with all this shiny metal and tracked by RadSpeed 8* - MotoreX F1 6X SIM 3W - Project X HZRDUS Green U505 Driving Iron 17* - Project X HZRDUS Black SpeedZone 4H - Project X HZRDUS Black 2022 King Forged Tec's 4-PW - KBS $ Tape 130 48 (SM8), 52 & 60 (SM7) - Nippon Modus 125 S ER2VI PROV1X #19 Are you a veteran? Check out the Veterans Golf Association (VGA) Thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 2 hours ago, bens197 said: It would be neat to see a comparison for Kuchar, Keegan, Bryson and others to see what effect it had on their putting stats. Is it more of a comfort thing or is there really a tangible difference. Frankly, I am not even remotely interested in this debate. If the governing bodies wanted a change, they would change. ... I am with you. I would love to see comparison video's of guys yipping putts and then anchoring against their arm with no yipping. I would love to hear them interviewed and see if they say their nerves got the best of them and the anchoring helped. I keep hearing how anchoring does not give any golfer an "advantage" and I just disagree with that terminology. It isn't a question of an advantage but more of a question of addressing a performance problem with equipment that takes some skill away like bumpers covering the gutters while bowling. ... Attempting to compare to with anything other than actual equipment that helps elevate a problem just doesn't seem like an apples to apples comparison. A pitcher with a different arm delivery isn't any different than a Jim Furyk, Tommy Gainy, Moe Norman and of course Dechambeau. And Dechambeau uses same length shafts as well as HUGE grips, all very unconventional but does not remove a skill and you could make the argument actually takes more skill. ... I don't think an anchored putter gives anyone an "advantage" and most likely it will perform worst for the majority of players. Dave talked about an arbitrary line and it seems to me the rule has done exactly that. ALL of the anchoring is done to stop the smaller nerves in the hands from yipping putts when free swinging so banning anchoring against the chin, chest and belly but allowing anchoring to the forearm is just a head scratcher for me. But like you Benz, the rule is the rule and nothing we say here is gonna influence that. As long as it is the law of the land and the governing bodies are not soliciting opinions for a future rule change this is just a fun discussion (for some) and differing opinions are interesting and all of them are equally valid. cnosil and bens197 2 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 47 minutes ago, chisag said: but allowing anchoring to the forearm is just a head scratcher for me. I can see the difference between anchoring to an immovable part of the torso and anchoring to a part of the body that moves, the forearm. There's no question that its an arbitrary division, but any other decision would also be arbitrary. Similarly, all of the pencil and claw grips are intended to do largely the same thing, to remove the "twitchy" small muscles from the motion. I don't have a rationale to suggest where the line might be more appropriately drawn, I have no problem if a player uses the armlock in a match against me, and I'm unlikely to try it at this stage in my golfing career. I'm simply not convinced that a chance should be made. Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, DaveP043 said: I can see the difference between anchoring to an immovable part of the torso and anchoring to a part of the body that moves, the forearm. There's no question that its an arbitrary division, but any other decision would also be arbitrary. Similarly, all of the pencil and claw grips are intended to do largely the same thing, to remove the "twitchy" small muscles from the motion. I don't have a rationale to suggest where the line might be more appropriately drawn, I have no problem if a player uses the armlock in a match against me, and I'm unlikely to try it at this stage in my golfing career. I'm simply not convinced that a chance should be made. ... Com'on Dave. There is a huge difference between the way you grip a free swinging club and anchoring against any part of the body that does not hinge. Anchoring against the forearm means the lead wrist will not break, which of course is the problem players are trying to overcome. Like you, I would have no problem playing against someone anchoring their putter legally or illegally since I view them as the same and a sign of putting difficulties. Fwiw, you must not have watched bad putters anchoring against anything because many (most?) certainly move their chin, chest or belly when putting. LICC 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 20 minutes ago, chisag said: ... Com'on Dave. There is a huge difference between the way you grip a free swinging club and anchoring against any part of the body that does not hinge. Anchoring against the forearm means the lead wrist will not break, which of course is the problem players are trying to overcome. Like you, I would have no problem playing against someone anchoring their putter legally or illegally since I view them as the same and a sign of putting difficulties. Fwiw, you must not have watched bad putters anchoring against anything because many (most?) certainly move their chin, chest or belly when putting. I didn't say there was no anchoring involved in the armlock method, only that I can see the difference between anchoring to the torso and anchoring to somewhere else on the arm. There's a rather long continuum of putting grips and methods, from really traditional putting to left-hand-low to pencil grips to armlock using hands together, pressing the butt end into the forearm to clasping the butt end against the forearm with the trail hand to non-anchored long putters to the now outlawed hand anchored against the chest to now outlawed belly putters with both hands together down the shaft. And this doesn't even get into putting stances facing the hole, not anchored under the current definitions. I do not see a need to go any further in eliminating some or all of those non-traditional putting styles. Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 28 minutes ago, DaveP043 said: And this doesn't even get into putting stances facing the hole, not anchored under the current definitions. I do not see a need to go any further in eliminating some or all of those non-traditional putting styles. ... Feels a little like being sucked into a Black Hole, as the linebacker that hit me from the blindside when I was wearing a red jersey and not supposed to be touched, let alone hit said in my year book: "It have been fun but fun have to come to a end" so last response. I am not against non traditional. I am against anchoring and then only as an opinion not as a crusade to get it declared illegal. Keep in mind I am the same guy that told the CEO of Wilson Golf when I narrated the video of the Killer Whale Titanium driver introduction that was 275cc's "I just don't think any serious golfer is gonna play a driver head this HUGE. I hope I am wrong but I just don't see it". cnosil, bens197, russtopherb and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 3 hours ago, cnosil said: 4 hours ago, Shankster said: They banned the use of the physio tape for cyclist in the Olympics when the Dutch team all had Thentapemcown the front of their shins What does that even mean?! Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Shankster said: What does that even mean?! Haha stupid auto spell correct. had the tape down the front of there legs https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/is-the-danish-pursuit-team-faking-injury-at-olympics-to-circumvent-uci-rules/ Shankster 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 23 minutes ago, cnosil said: stupid auto spell correct. had the tape down the front of there legs https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/is-the-danish-pursuit-team-faking-injury-at-olympics-to-circumvent-uci-rules/ Oh… I don’t even know what to say about that. Pretty soon they will have a specific hair cut you are required to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 5 hours ago, chisag said: Keep in mind I am the same guy that told the CEO of Wilson Golf when I narrated the video of the Killer Whale Titanium driver introduction that was 275cc's "I just don't think any serious golfer is gonna play a driver head this HUGE. i told the manager of a wendy’s that square burgers were weird. same same. Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip Strokes Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Shankster said: Oh… I don’t even know what to say about that. Pretty soon they will have a specific hair cut you are required to have. they already have haircuts you CAN’T have. so we’re almost there https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-07-07/olympics-swimming-caps-black-athletes%3f_amp=true Shankster 1 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said: they already have haircuts you CAN’T have. so we’re almost there https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-07-07/olympics-swimming-caps-black-athletes%3f_amp=true What a world… what a world. I basically have a cone head. They’d probably ban me from competing due to the shape…. It would definitely give me an advantage if I had a fresh buzz cut. Like a bow of a 1994 Scarab… just cuts through the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolferXY Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Is there a rule as to how you hold a tennis racket? How about a table tennis bat? Baseball bat? I don't see why there is any rule against how you grip a club, driver through putter. I've tried armlock, didn't work for me. Unfair advantage? Couldn't prove it by me. But then, I can't putt with anything. ZackS, William P and silver & black 3 Quote -XY BALL: Titleist ProV1, Kirkland Signature WOODS: Taylormade Stealth2 +, Callaway Epic Flash 3-wood 3- and 4- HYBRID: Ping G30, stiff IRONS: Ping i525, 6 - U-wedge, 1 degree flat, ProjectX 5.5 110 g shafts WEDGES: Ping 4.0 60 degree, Titleist 56 degree SM8 PUTTER: L.A.B Mezz Max, 69 degree, 37 inch LA Golf shaft, 1.5 degree press grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 I think the hype on this being illegal has died down. Not sure it has been shown to be an advantage more than any other new method. Given that some like Xander tried it and didn't succeed kinda showed it was not a one trick fix for putting. ZackS, SirPrised, TJ Hall and 4 others 7 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flanpro Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) 6 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said: I think the hype on this being illegal has died down. Not sure it has been shown to be an advantage more than any other new method. Given that some like Xander tried it and didn't succeed kinda showed it was not a one trick fix for putting. If it was such an advantage wouldn’t we see half the field doing it? I think balanced mallet putters and fat putter grips are the real advantages in putting - just count the number of SuperStroke grips being used by the field this weekend and I bet it’s close to 95%. Edited April 13 by Flanpro William P, ZackS, CB Lobo 4 Life and 1 other 4 Quote Ping G425 LST Driver Ping G425 3 Wood Ping G425 19deg Hybrid Ping G430 irons 5-P, 45, 50 Taylormade MG3 wedges 54, 58 Ping Ketch Putter 34” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackS Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 I think the armlock is different from the other anchor methods to the core of your body. Those gave a fixed point to pendulum from. I view the armlock the same as different grip styles like the saw, or oversized grips. It’s all just a method to try and take the hands out of the stroke but you still have to move the torso and arms to move the putter. d.lama, TylorJudd and William P 3 Quote WITB: Driver: Titleist TSR3 with TPT Nitro 15Hi 5 wood: Calloway Paradym Triple Diamond with TPT Power 15Lo Driving Iron: Tour Edge Exotics EXS Ti-Utility Hybrid: PXG 0317X Gen2 hybrid with TPT Power 15Lo Irons: Takomo 101T with Nippon Modus 120 shafts Wedges: Celveland RTX4 50 Degree, Calloway Jaws Raw 58 degree Z grind and 54 degree S grind Putter: Edel EAS 4.0 Ball: Srixon Z Star Diamond / Z Star XV Official 2024 TPT Shaft Test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolferXY Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 hours ago, ZackS said: It’s all just a method to try and take the hands out of the stroke but you still have to move the torso and arms to move the putter. Odd though, isn't it, that some of the great putters of old were "pop" type putters who used hands and wrists to motivate the ball. Was it because the greens weren't as fast, is it the glassy smoothness of modern agronomy driven putting surfaces that make us want to take the hands out of the stroke? Thoughts? ZackS 1 Quote -XY BALL: Titleist ProV1, Kirkland Signature WOODS: Taylormade Stealth2 +, Callaway Epic Flash 3-wood 3- and 4- HYBRID: Ping G30, stiff IRONS: Ping i525, 6 - U-wedge, 1 degree flat, ProjectX 5.5 110 g shafts WEDGES: Ping 4.0 60 degree, Titleist 56 degree SM8 PUTTER: L.A.B Mezz Max, 69 degree, 37 inch LA Golf shaft, 1.5 degree press grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 5 minutes ago, GolferXY said: Odd though, isn't it, that some of the great putters of old were "pop" type putters who used hands and wrists to motivate the ball. Was it because the greens weren't as fast, is it the glassy smoothness of modern agronomy driven putting surfaces that make us want to take the hands out of the stroke? Thoughts? ... Not so much the hands as the wrists breaking down and flipping. I use my hands for feel in my putting stroke but my wrists don't move. One of the reasons I don't like arm lock for Pro's but could not care less for Ams. It isn't an "advantage" and just like the long putter it is simply to help over come the yips. I believe that is part of the equation, over coming nerves when playing tournament golf. If you don't have the yips there is no question long putters and arm lock putters are more difficult to perfect than a conventional putter. Here is the thing, you don't see any great putters using unconventional putters. They use them to overcome a deficiency. ... An Am with a physical deficiency should be able to use what ever helps them play better. Another reason I have always been in favor of bifurcation, which seems to have pretty divided opinions. I think there is pretty much nothing about a typical Am's game that resembles a Pro's game, so wanting to play the same equipment just seems silly to me. TylorJudd and ZackS 2 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylorJudd Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 13 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said: I think the hype on this being illegal has died down. Not sure it has been shown to be an advantage more than any other new method. Given that some like Xander tried it and didn't succeed kinda showed it was not a one trick fix for putting. I’d agree on it not be a clear advantage. Putting is so unique to each golfer, how I read a line for example, can and often is superseded by what I see when I stand over and I will adjust my stroke there including grip, and grip pressure. Not exactly the same thing but it certainly doesn’t seem to have the data for definitive advantage Quote I like golf. You should like golf. If life is tough, play more golf! Callaway Paradym Triple Diamond 10.5, Graphite Design Tour AD-MJ 6x Titleist TSr3 18 Degree, Graphite Design Tour Ad-DI 7x Takomo 301CB's, KBS Tours 120S Vokey SM8 48 10F, 52 08F, 56 08M, 60 08M Odyssey O-Works Jailbird Mini, Versa Scheme, 17" Fatso 3.0 Grip, 40" Jazz Tacoma Cart Bag Titleist Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackS Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 hours ago, GolferXY said: Odd though, isn't it, that some of the great putters of old were "pop" type putters who used hands and wrists to motivate the ball. Was it because the greens weren't as fast, is it the glassy smoothness of modern agronomy driven putting surfaces that make us want to take the hands out of the stroke? Thoughts? I would say that some of this has to do with the speed of greens now vs then. I am someone that likes to feel as my hands are not really doing anything in the stroke even though I know there is some movement in them and the move becomes more as the putt gets longer to produce the speed needed. To @chisag point the hands are where my feel comes from despite the fact I try and keep them quiet in the stroke. This is the main reason why I don’t think I could ever do armlock as I am not sure I could ever have good speed control outside of like 10 feet. So I think with not needing as much hands with the faster greens today you can take them much more out of the stroke and eliminate that extra movement that has to be timed correctly and make the stroke that much more repeatable. chisag 1 Quote WITB: Driver: Titleist TSR3 with TPT Nitro 15Hi 5 wood: Calloway Paradym Triple Diamond with TPT Power 15Lo Driving Iron: Tour Edge Exotics EXS Ti-Utility Hybrid: PXG 0317X Gen2 hybrid with TPT Power 15Lo Irons: Takomo 101T with Nippon Modus 120 shafts Wedges: Celveland RTX4 50 Degree, Calloway Jaws Raw 58 degree Z grind and 54 degree S grind Putter: Edel EAS 4.0 Ball: Srixon Z Star Diamond / Z Star XV Official 2024 TPT Shaft Test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolferXY Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 6 hours ago, chisag said: ... Not so much the hands as the wrists breaking down and flipping. I use my hands for feel in my putting stroke but my wrists don't move. One of the reasons I don't like arm lock for Pro's but could not care less for Ams. It isn't an "advantage" and just like the long putter it is simply to help over come the yips. I believe that is part of the equation, over coming nerves when playing tournament golf. If you don't have the yips there is no question long putters and arm lock putters are more difficult to perfect than a conventional putter. Here is the thing, you don't see any great putters using unconventional putters. They use them to overcome a deficiency. ... An Am with a physical deficiency should be able to use what ever helps them play better. Another reason I have always been in favor of bifurcation, which seems to have pretty divided opinions. I think there is pretty much nothing about a typical Am's game that resembles a Pro's game, so wanting to play the same equipment just seems silly to me. Check out Arnie here. His style was unique in his knock kneed stance, but you can clearly see he uses his wrists to pop the ball. This wasn't unusual. Many of the great Golden Age putters did the same. ZackS 1 Quote -XY BALL: Titleist ProV1, Kirkland Signature WOODS: Taylormade Stealth2 +, Callaway Epic Flash 3-wood 3- and 4- HYBRID: Ping G30, stiff IRONS: Ping i525, 6 - U-wedge, 1 degree flat, ProjectX 5.5 110 g shafts WEDGES: Ping 4.0 60 degree, Titleist 56 degree SM8 PUTTER: L.A.B Mezz Max, 69 degree, 37 inch LA Golf shaft, 1.5 degree press grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 5 minutes ago, GolferXY said: His style was unique in his knock kneed stance, but you can clearly see he uses his wrists to pop the ball. This wasn't unusual. Many of the great Golden Age putters did the same. ... Yup, I think the ball "settled" down on those greens and a pop stroke helped get the ball out of its resting place. Of course they were a lot slower too. There were certainly some great putters that used a wristy stroke back in the day. gophergutz and ZackS 2 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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