Bluesman57 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 I voted "no", but more importantly, I learned from this thread that Maxfli can be considered a Dick's "house brand". Dick's will never see a dime from me because of the corporate attitude towards another product that I own that begins with the letter "g". Quote G430 Max HL Max Driver G430 Max HL 5- and 7-Woods G430 Max HL 4-Hybrid T300 6-GW Irons Glide 3.0 52 and 58 degree Wedges Vokey SM9 56 degree Sand Wedge BB-8W Putter ProV1x Balls Semper ubi, sub ubi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 11 hours ago, Tyler86 said: And I would bet Snell has a store front at the headquarters too. You’d lose that bet, unfortunately. No store front at Snell HQ. tony@CIC 1 Quote In my Big Max hybrid bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Halo XL 5i-DW CBX 54* & 58* ER5 Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZenGolfer Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 On 11/17/2021 at 10:51 PM, ChitownM2 said: If that is the criteria you're measuring by then none of the DTC brands are actually DTC. There isn't a single one of the "mainstream" DTC companies that manufactures their own balls. Even Taylormade doesn't yet manufacture their own balls completely as they just bought the factory that makes them for them.... True but there is a big difference in that DSG/GG have actual brick and morter stores that add to the cost vs companies like Vice, Snell, Cut, etc that are strictly virtual. Having physical stores is something that should be built into the pricing model for Maxfli, which is kind of what makes them so amazing that they can compete on price with the DTC brands but arent truly DTC. tony@CIC 1 Quote "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Hybrid: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 3H Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headhammer Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Wow, yesterday must have been a slow golf news day if we are arguing whether Maxfli is or isn't a DTC brand. As someone else said we are splitting hairs a bit. DTC "to me" means no middle man, the product goes from manufacturer to the consumer without additional mark-ups or additional dollars tacked on to pay for the brick & mortar overhead. I see Maxfli as Dicks & GG's house brand, but since they are technically the manufacturer I guess one could consider it a DTC brand. On the other hand, one could argue that there are additional mark-ups on the ball to account for the overhead of shelf space in a brick & mortar store. Meh, I'm going to get my second cup of coffee now. tony@CIC, GregGarner and cnosil 3 Quote Driver: Speed Zone 9* HZRDUS Smoke Yellow Shaft 3 Wood: King Speedzone 13.5* HZRDUS Smoke Black Shaft 2 & 3 Hybrids: Speedzone Recoil 480 ESX Shaft Irons: Speedzone 5-GW Recoil 460 ESX Shafts Wedges: PM Grind 54* & 58* Putter: Dual Force Rossi II Ball: Whatever I find in the woods HCP:18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middler Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Like whether or not a ball is DTC factors in to the buying decision. Price, performance, quality, color, availability yes. DTC or not, no. Some people just like to be "outraged" about every little thing. Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize LAB DF3 w Accra Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 001 F (mesh), Payntr X 005 F, Ecco Biom C4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyGolfNut Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Based on the arguments here, Kirkland is also a Direct To Consumer ball. They only sell through their stores or internet. You can not buy them at a Pro Shop. Maybe that's the diff. DTC balls are not sold in Pro Shops??? tony@CIC 1 Quote Driver _ Ping G400 Max Woods _ Ping G410 3 & 5 | Cleveland Launcher XL HALO 7 Hybrid _ Titleist 818 H1 25deg Irons _ Titleist T300 6-GW Wedges _ Titleist SM10 52F & 56S Putter _ Odyssey Dual Force Rossie 2 or Rife Two Bar Hybrid Distance _ Bushnell Phantom 2 GPS | Bushnell Tour V6 Shift Ball _ Titleist Pro V1 yellow or Srixon Q Star Tour 5 Yellow GHIN _ HCP floats between 8 & 12 "Never bet against an old man with old clubs that have new grips" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Here is how MGS defined them: Londo and tony@CIC 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 This is taking on the life of 'should fittings be free' discussion. While personal opinion of all of our forum members is important and valued, in this case it's not going to change MGS HQ's opinion or the awards. As someone who was in the DTC (not golf related) business for 25 yrs, I don't believe believe @Tony C's. definition is accurate. But that's my opinion and BTW I don't dispute Maxfli's, performance. quality and cost. What matters to me is: would other ball companies have been selected for top quality awards if the definition was different. cnosil and Londo 2 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler86 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 4 hours ago, CrazyGolfNut said: Based on the arguments here, Kirkland is also a Direct To Consumer ball. They only sell through their stores or internet. You can not buy them at a Pro Shop. Maybe that's the diff. DTC balls are not sold in Pro Shops??? I would consider Kirkland DTC also. 7 hours ago, russtopherb said: You’d lose that bet, unfortunately. No store front at Snell HQ. Quote Mavrik Max Driver M2 5W 818 hybrids Steelhead XR Irons ZipCore wedges SeeMore PR M7X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschott Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 On 11/18/2021 at 10:49 AM, tony@CIC said: Maxfli Tour ball is 34.99 at Dicks - same price as Snell MTB-X. Note I've tried the Maxfli - but still prefer Snell. Maxfli 2020 is 2 for $60 and 2019 is 2 for $45. Might want to try OnCore they have buy 2 get one free. tony@CIC 1 Quote Driver-Sub70 849D 3 wood-Sub70 939X 5 wood-Callaway Rogue 4 hybrid-Tour Edge EXS 220 irons-Sub70 699 V2 irons wedges-Sub70 JB wedges, 50, 54, 58 putter-Sub 70 FN 001 with Evenroll Gravity Grip Ball-OnCore Elixir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larryw Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 57 minutes ago, tschott said: Maxfli 2020 is 2 for $60 and 2019 is 2 for $45. Might want to try OnCore they have buy 2 get one free. Think I saw the 2021 Tour 48 box on sale for $104.98 at Dick's. Good price, Good Ball. tschott 1 Quote Tour Edge C721 Driver, Integra 45g L flex shaft BombTech 2 HW 16* BombTech 5 W Maltby KE4-Max 5 - PW, Recoil Dart 65 A flex shaft Maltby TSW-DRM 50*/54* wedges, Recoil Dart 75 R flex/spinner shaft Bettinardi Studio Stock #5 putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozcycle Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Walmart sells Vice products, balls, hats, gloves and bags. At least my Walmart(Wesley Chapel, FL). So does that mean they are no longer DTC? Deepred 1 Quote Driver: 0311 XF 10.5* w/Project X Cypher 40 gram Senior shaft or 0811 XF 12* w/Evenflo Riptide CB Senior shaft Fairways: 0211 5W & 7W w/ Evenflo Riptide CB regular shaft and Tour Edge E521 9W w/Fubuki HD50 regular shaft Hybrid: None in bag at the moment Irons: Titleist T300 5-PW w/Fubuki MV Senior graphite shafts w/Golf Pride Tour Wedges: Edison forged 49*, 53* and 57* wedges with KB PGI Senior shafts(80 grm). Putter: 33” Evnroll ER2 w/Gravity Grip or ER6 or Bellum Winmore Model 707, or Nike Method Core Drone w/Evnroll Gravity Grip or Tommy Armour Impact No. 3 Bag: Vice cart bag(Black/Lime). Ball: Bridgestone RXS Mindset, Snell MTB Prime X, Maxfli Tour/S/X CG, Titleist Pro V1x or Titleist TruFeel Using Shot Scope X5 and Pinned Rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 DTC brands can still branch out to brick and mortar and still be considered DTC since their primary method of distribution is still direct to consumers. https://hbr.org/2020/03/reinventing-the-direct-to-consumer-business-model tony@CIC 1 Quote In my Big Max hybrid bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Halo XL 5i-DW CBX 54* & 58* ER5 Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londo Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Like others have stated, I feel like that its kind of hairsplitting and depends on your interpretation of DTC. I am okay with MGS classifying Maxfli as DTC if they are in the grey area- as long as they include their definition/criteria of DTC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm319 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 DTC technically refers to the product originator (not necessarily the producer) selling to the consumer directly while bypassing 3rd party retail, wholesale, and/or distribution. The point is to eliminate unnecessary intermediary margins that result in additional retail markup. In the case of Maxfli, it is a house brand of DSG and only sold in their retail locations so classifying that as DTC is acceptable because DSG has full control over the marketing/distribution/retail portion of the supply chain. Costco’s Kirkland balls qualify as well. Additional to this particular industry, most consider the fact that balls considered to be DTC are produced in independent, white label factories not owned by the originator. The most direct form of distribution in this industry would be purchasing a urethane offering from Acushnet, Bridgestone, or Callaway (all fully manufactured in wholly owned facilities) via their website. Quote Driver: Titleist TS2 9.5 Fairway: Tour Edge CB4 Tour 16.5 Irons: Titleist 690.CB 3-PW Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM5 50, 56 Putter: Odyssey Works Versa 1W Ball: Vice Pro Plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonSal Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Everythig get screwed up eventually. I remember Maxfli as a major premium model made by Dunlop, just as Top Flite was a major premium model made by Spalding. Now neither is affiliated with its original source in any way but they're still around as store brands. Then again, I also remember playing with R&A spec 1.62" golf balls, so what I remember doesn't matter much any more. Quote Louisville Golf Persimmon___2, 4, 5, 7-woods; Epon AF-906___driving iron; Titleist T100 5, 6, 7, 8, 9-irons; Titleist T100S___48°; Edison 2.0___53º; Titleist SM-9 (T)___58º; Tad Moore Otto Hackbarth___putter; Titleist Pro V1x___ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middler Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 On 11/21/2021 at 4:49 PM, tschott said: Maxfli 2020 is 2 for $60 and 2019 is 2 for $45. Might want to try OnCore they have buy 2 get one free. I just bought 48 MaxFli Tours for $104.98 - $26.25/dozen with free shipping. Pretty sure they’re the 2021 model as well based on the alignment markings and pricing. https://www.golfgalaxy.com/p/maxfli-tour-gloss-white-golf-balls-48-pack-21maxu2021mxfltrlgbl/21maxu2021mxfltrlgbl?bopisFilter=false&isaFilter=true Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize LAB DF3 w Accra Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 001 F (mesh), Payntr X 005 F, Ecco Biom C4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAC Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) On 11/19/2021 at 7:30 AM, Middler said: You can buy two dozen Maxflis for $60 almost all the time. You can’t get Snell MTBs for $30/dozen even if you buy 5 dozen, and you now pay shipping for Snells - though there’s a Black Friday free shipping promo going on thru 11/29. With several Dicks and Golf Galaxy’s near me, it’s cheaper and more convenient than ordering from Snell. I recently got two dozen 2021 Maxflis for $40. Dick's had the $60 deal for two dozen you describe and sent me a $20 coupon so $40 for two dozen urethane golf balls that got excellent reviews from MGS. I went to the store to pick it up. Would it have counted more as direct to consumer if I had ordered it from their website and had it shipped to me? Isn't the key QPR not the method in which I get it? Edited November 28, 2021 by HAC Quote Sim 2 Driver Fujikura Ventus Blue 6R shaft Sim 2 5 wood Fujikura Ventus Blue 5R shaft 0311 Gen 5 Seven Wood Project X Cypher 50 5.5 shaft. H818 Hybrid 25 degrees Tensei ck Series 60 HY regular flex shafts at C4 setting (flat for lefties) 0311 Gen 6 Hybrids 3-28 and 31 degrees. 718 AP1 irons 6-gap Tensei ck Series AMC IR regular flex bent two degrees flat SM 7 Wedge 58 degrees M grind with 8 bounce Steel shafts wedge flex bent 2 degrees flat Glide 3 52.12 with Alta CB Red Regular Flex shaft bent 2 degrees flat MG4 56.12 with Fujikura Ventus TR Blue Flex: R LAB DF3 putter - 33 inches long, 71 degree lie angle, Accra shaft Bridgestone B X or Titleist Pro V-1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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