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Ah Rev. You really bring out the little things that I forget to point out. But the points that I feel are so important.

 

Let me answer that question. Yes! My distance gaps were fine, were all there and intact, and really didn't need adjustment.

 

I did the bending for a few reasons. First off having a little stronger loft on the irons isn't a bad thing for me at all. I'm not a long ball hitter, and having them be true to loft and simultaneously getting a little stronger through the set should keep my distances in check (roughly) and still give me a little extra push on that end. I know in the longer irons some got a degree weaker, but that was merely to help get some added height.

 

The next reason. This is purely because I'm a neat freak. But if you look at how they measured versus how they were labeled, the biggest gap (on the 61) was really the only one I felt I wanted to change. But here was my conundrum. If I bent the 61 (really 63) to 61 then left my 57 at 58 there would only be a 3 degree difference. So I thought about just lining those three clubs up to spec and leaving the rest, but then just decided for the little money it would cost me it would be worth it to ME to have the clubs dead on and also a little stronger in combination.

 

I also had the four wedges bent to 2 degree flat based on my ball flight through the launch monitor and my swing coach. So It was basically something I did personally for me, and to make me feel comfortable.

I fully believe had Rookie never mentioned his lofts, and had the lofts not been a discussion on this thread I probably would have left them where they were and gamed these irons with NO issue whatsoever. Because as everyone can see, these were pretty much dead on, and based on any tolerance that clubs can have, they were basically "on spec". 

 

And Stu, I agree. This ball just feels fantastic to me. There's no way around it. I think that the mental side of something really has a huge performance on how you produce with the equipment. That could contribute as well.

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Interesting video on the Hogan Company on Vimeo --

 

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That video is so badass. Terry Koehler seems like the type of guy you could have an amazing conversation with.

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Great video! I loved his "The Wedge Guy" articles. It's one of the reasons I ended up with my SCORs.

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Anybody got any extra $1,500 they can send my way.....would love to put these babies in my bag!

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Anybody got any extra $1,500 they can send my way.....would love to put these babies in my bag!

 

Gosh - I've only got a spare $1,400 -- will that help?  B)

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That video is so badass. Terry Koehler seems like the type of guy you could have an amazing conversation with.

Imagine what would happen if you got Terry Koehler and Dean Snell in a room together...  :o :o :o

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Imagine what would happen if you got Terry Koehler and Dean Snell in a room together...  :o :o :o

 

Would be more fun to get TK and David Edel in a room together to talk about bounce...that would be a hoot!!!

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Would be more fun to get TK and David Edel in a room together to talk about bounce...that would be a hoot!!!

 

I really think that Bounce is a non factor ever since I switched to SCOR wedges.  They are set up with a V sole, which is also used by Mizuno and Cobra on the irons.

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I think Bounce is huge, and the V-sole provides the right amount of bounce for the different shots you can do with the SCORs.  I attribute that to a big improvement in my short game.

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HI guys -- wanted to share some information with you all...

 

I reached out to Hogan about a week or so ago regarding Rookie's loft questions, just to let them know what what going on.  Needless to say, they were surprised and concerned.

 

What they'd like to do is provide each of our testers with a no-charge shipping label to return their irons to Ft. Worth for loft verification and, if need be, correction.  According to Hogan, 1 degree off is not acceptable.

 

It's important to note that machines, like scales, may read differently, particularly an "eyeball" type machine vs. a digital machine, which is what Hogan uses.  There's also something called "resting angle," which could differ from machine to machine - and the fact that 9 of 11 of Rookie's club were two degrees strong begs the question, so they'd like to be able to compare readings and machines. 

 

Anyway, I think this is an interesting next step, especially after Sschaffer had his lofts checked earlier this week and they came back pretty much on spec....

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A few things here.

 

First, if Dean Snell, David Edel and Terry Koehler were to have an open discussion on golf together, imagine what it would be like to just be a fly on the wall... Those are three men that over the last couple of years have really become an extreme influence on my golf perspective.

 

Somehow, someway Barbajo I charge you with making this happen!

 

As for the lofts, I'm in a bit of a predicament. While I would be more than happy to participate in sending these back, I don't know if I feel the need. Having mine all just bent to the correct lofts makes me feel as though they are already on spec. Thoughts here guys? I'm curious to hear what the board members think I should do.

 

One interesting concept. Imagine if Hogan offered this to their customers. Not only a guarantee on the lofts being on spec from the factory. But maybe a once yearly "spec check" to guarantee a precise loft and lie fit for their customers. Now THAT would speak precision, and fall in place with their whole branding. Imagine being a customer and sending them back free of charge during the offseason to just guarantee everything is on point. If you noticed a distance gap you could talk to customer support and they could work out how they need to adjust the lofts, you could talk trajectory and misses to determine if the lie needs adjusted.

 

I think Hogan is on to something here...

 

Now what to do. As of now, I'm leaning towards no. Had I not just had them checked however...

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Well definitely some good discussion about these clubs. While I'm sure they are good irons i cannot see them taking my wilson staff irons out of the bag anytime soon. I do find my Scors thicker looking than my mack daddy 2's at address but if they perform for me like they have for some of you i can overlook it

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Brodeur,

 

It's one of those deals where if the stars align these things can really sing. Your feelings and impressions of the wilsons are obviously important, but if you grow to love your scors like some of us have gotten with our Hogans, then it will be nearly impossible to not want that through the rest of your bag.

 

Here's the deal. I've never once looked at these clubs and thought to myself "wow, these sure are ugly" or "man the top line is so think!" Or " so much offset!" But with that being said, my experience with these kind of clubs are more limited than some.

 

Looks are in the eye of the beholder.

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Barbajo. I have found that indeed any loft or lie machine can vary in how you are looking at it and you do have to pay attention to how the club is fixed into the machine. I also check manually the old school way with a protractor gauge. And I will agree that two people reading a manual machine may see the numbers differently. I have a friend of mine's S-58 Pings that he bought site unseen off of fleabay and boy are those things screwed up on lofts and lies. I have had to check them 3 or 4 times and to beat all someone at one time drilled the hosels to 370 from 355 taper and then shimmed and put the original Stock Ping shafts back in to sell them and so far on 3 of the clubs the shafts were not even centered. If I ever get back into the business full time I will have a digital loft and lie machine costs be dammed!

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Bottom line is Hogan is responding to the concerns and trying to make whatever is "wrong" right.  That's customer service was a capital C.  I'm with Foz but you know what I'll take the $1,400 Barbajo and I think I might find the other $100 somewhere.

 

In the SCOR days you would talk directly to Terry if you had a question.  My guess is that Hogan will get bigger than that pretty quickly if it's not already but he's makes a very strong first impression. 

 

I don't think that Foz meant that bounce is dead.  I think that he means that the day of needed to buy multiple bounce wedges (different bounces for each wedge bagged) is a thing of the past.  I agree.  Bounce is important but it's pretty clear that you can achieve multiple bounces through the bag with one sole and very little manipulation by the player necessary.

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Brodeur,

 

It's one of those deals where if the stars align these things can really sing. Your feelings and impressions of the wilsons are obviously important, but if you grow to love your scors like some of us have gotten with our Hogans, then it will be nearly impossible to not want that through the rest of your bag.

 

Here's the deal. I've never once looked at these clubs and thought to myself "wow, these sure are ugly" or "man the top line is so think!" Or " so much offset!" But with that being said, my experience with these kind of clubs are more limited than some.

 

Looks are in the eye of the beholder.

 

 

Possibly, but why would I go and make a personal loan to buy clubs when I bought my Wilson's online for $250 and they were practically new as well as the best feeling irons I've ever hit?  ;) They perform and I'm satisfied -'nuff said.

 

I don't like a thick topline. It's just preference. Just like a blade looks too thin, a tick topline is not appealing to me. The Scor wedges feel really good, better than the Callaway's I had but I can tell you for a fact that they do not feel as good as my v2's. Close, but not enough. Even the MP-R12's I had from Mizuno do not feel as good. Bold statement I know but I stand by my comments  :D

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Id love to hear some feedback on what the other testers are considering. I'm still on the fence about sending mine back. And that's strictly because I just then all tuned to the right loft.

 

I do think it's fantastic that these guys are willing to do that for us. That has to show something to this board. Talk about service.

 

And Foz, if Barbajo ponies up $1,400 for you, I'll cover the other $100 to get a set of these into your hands... 😋

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Boy did I come into this late!  Barbajo is offering coin and I missed out and it looks like Rev has scooped it up.  That sucks bigtime :mad: 

 

That Hogan has offered to check the lofts is as the Rev has said customer service with a capital "C" and in the spirit of testing and getting the optimal results I think sending them back to Hogan is a no brainer.  If we don't it's a bit like making a complaint and then turning your back when an offer to make it right is refused.  Sschaffer you still have your I25's yes? I know it's not the same but you can use them for a couple of weeks while they gently caress and pamper your clubs as only Hogan can. they'll be in good hands buddy but I know how you feel.  Bravo Hogan! :)

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