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17 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

OK, I've decided on the 4-UW and the Glide 2.0 56/SS grind.  One thing we tried during the fitting is moving from a +1/2 inch shaft length to a +1 inch length.  We tried this to see if it the added length helped move the strike zone more from toe (my tendency) towards center - and it did help a bit.  The added length felt OK swinging but I'm reading that adding length can be problematic. 

My static PING fitting, height and wrist to floor measurement, puts me solidly in the +1/2 length.  This is the shaft length I've had on my PE2's and been playing for 30 years.  Here is the data comparing the AWT 2.0 and PX shafts.  The top group being the +1 inch and the other AWT and PX in +1/2 inch.  Also shown at the bottom is the baseline data from my PE2 7i from the fitting last year.

My fitter is saying the +1 inch yields the best performance, but I think we're both a little on the fence not just staying with +1/2.  What are your thoughts looking at the numbers? 

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If it were me, I'd lean on going with the +1 inch as suggested. You can always cut down back to +1/2" later that way. If you started at the +1/2" you wouldn't have that option.

I'm very excited for you and I'm happy you have gotten so much good data with your fitter. Sounds like a great experience so far and my fingers are crossed that this whole decision-making process will lead to some good and fun golf in your near future. Looking forward to a new @fixyurdivot WITB thread very soon..!🤞

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2 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

I will.  We're going to discuss again this morning before making the order.  Just thought I'd checked with the forum this final decision point - particularly since he seemed a little uncertain about it.  I can always choke down a wee bit.  I see pros doing this quite often.  

Yeah, I mean, looking at the numbers you seem more consistent with the +1, especially on your ball speed, and smash factor, which is going to translate into more consistent distances. 

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Today's the Big Day.  Heading over to Bozeman this morning to pick up the irons.  I plan to spend some time at the range on the way home to break them in and establish some distances with my SC200.  It's going to be weird pulling the PE2's out of the bag 😥.  

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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

Today's the Big Day.  Heading over to Bozeman this morning to pick up the irons.  I plan to spend some time at the range on the way home to break them in and establish some distances with my SC200.  It's going to be weird pulling the PE2's out of the bag 😥.  

I must have missed it - which irons? 

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8 hours ago, tony@CIC said:

I must have missed it - which irons? 

The G410's.  I headed right from the shop to the range and purchased two large buckets.  Really gorgeous day in Bozeman, MT (all over the region really). 

The range at Cottonwood Hills GC

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I pulled the PE2's from the bag and started adding the 410's.  I could swear I heard them say "it's been a great run for over 30 years partner - we'll be right here should you ever need us". I decided from the start of this journey that the PE2's would stay in my possession until the end of my golf career.  They truly have been a great set of irons and provided some memorable shots.

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The new line-up.

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My objective today was to establish some new yardages.  I entered all the new lofts into my SC200 and started the practice with the 7i.  My first hit was off the toe so damn far it hit the metal fence guard.  I laughed so hard at myself I nearly was in tears.

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OK, step back, take a deep breath, and hit the frigging ball.  From there on I started making solid contact and found a nice rhythm.  I switched to the 4i and started taking data for each club in order - hitting 12-15 balls on each club.  These were my numbers. 

Club    Carry Avg.    Carry Max.     

4i            178                 192

5i            163                 171

6i            156                 163

7i            147                 159

8i            129                 142

9i            112                 124

W            100                 113

UW          84                   89

SW          65                   72

I'm not convinced the distances on the UW and the SW (Glide 2.0 56 deg) are real accurate.  It seemed the SC 200 was missing several shots on each and I had to switch it off/on to get it reading again.  Perhaps it's the really high ball height - dunno?  I plan to do another range marathon and repeat this exercise to see how consistent the numbers are and double check the high lofted irons.

That said, I'm pretty happy with the data and definitely gaining an iron length or more over the PE2's.  I also found that mishits were less frequent and more forgiving.  Besides that not so memorable "first hit", I only had a handful of stinkers and the vast majority were really straight or even had a slight draw on the 4i and 5i.  I think the yardage gaps look pretty good but now feel I'm going to need something between my G400 3w and the 4i.  I wish PING offered a 3i for this set, but I may be better off getting a 5w, crossover, or hybrid?  (Suggestions welcomed) 👍.

Here's some additional pictures.  I opted for the PING logo grips as they appear to be really similar as the Golf Pride Tour Velvet... plus they say :ping-small:.  😉

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The AWT 2.0 shafts are a +1 inch and regular flex.  They are 1/2" longer than the ZZ-Lite shafts on my PE2's and felt good.  I really am not noticing a difference in swing feel and my strike patterns were mostly just toe side of center.  Hit #1 with the 8i was flushed.

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I ended up buying two more large baskets to complete the data; and get some time with the G410 driver and G400 3w.  A quick clean-up after the practice and the finish looks barely used.  I really like the satin Hydro-Pearl finish and contrasting milled face.  The G410's still have the stamped iron number on the face - which many don't like, but I do. 

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I think these are going to work out well once I get as comfortable with yardage numbers as I am with the PE2's.  I'll also be interested to see what difference there is (if any) in how they roll out and hold greens.  So far so good.

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Very nice!!  Good numbers too.  That's a lot of balls; after one large bucket, I can't hit anything further than my 8i.

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9 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

The G410's.  I headed right from the shop to the range and purchased two large buckets.  Really gorgeous day in Bozeman, MT (all over the region really). 

The range at Cottonwood Hills GC

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I pulled the PE2's from the bag and started adding the 410's.  I could swear I heard them say "it's been a great run for over 30 years partner - we'll be right here should you ever need us". I decided from the start of this journey that the PE2's would stay in my possession until the end of my golf career.  They truly have been a great set of irons and provided some memorable shots.

IMG_20190612_103224953.thumb.jpg.00b7df9d76fb375cf528cf8ab02bf8f4.jpg

The new line-up.

IMG_20190612_103333421.thumb.jpg.9767e00af0300728f8f45cec005d26ba.jpg

My objective today was to establish some new yardages.  I entered all the new lofts into my SC200 and started the practice with the 7i.  My first hit was off the toe so damn far it hit the metal fence guard.  I laughed so hard at myself I nearly was in tears.

rolling.gif.b8494e10a6aa839cb56f95dc0aea498b.gif 

OK, step back, take a deep breath, and hit the frigging ball.  From there on I started making solid contact and found a nice rhythm.  I switched to the 4i and started taking data for each club in order - hitting 12-15 balls on each club.  These were my numbers. 

Club    Carry Avg.    Carry Max.     

4i            178                 192

5i            163                 171

6i            156                 163

7i            147                 159

8i            129                 142

9i            112                 124

W            100                 113

UW          84                   89

SW          65                   72

I'm not convinced the distances on the UW and the SW (Glide 2.0 56 deg) are real accurate.  It seemed the SC 200 was missing several shots on each and I had to switch it off/on to get it reading again.  Perhaps it's the really high ball height - dunno?  I plan to do another range marathon and repeat this exercise to see how consistent the numbers are and double check the high lofted irons.

That said, I'm pretty happy with the data and definitely gaining an iron length or more over the PE2's.  I also found that mishits were less frequent and more forgiving.  Besides that not so memorable "first hit", I only had a handful of stinkers and the vast majority were really straight or even had a slight draw on the 4i and 5i.  I think the yardage gaps look pretty good but now feel I'm going to need something between my G400 3w and the 4i.  I wish PING offered a 3i for this set, but I may be better off getting a 5w, crossover, or hybrid?  (Suggestions welcomed) 👍.

Here's some additional pictures.  I opted for the PING logo grips as they appear to be really similar as the Golf Pride Tour Velvet... plus they say :ping-small:.  😉

IMG_20190612_125215779.thumb.jpg.d43b2184591ae93e814cf11b66b7bfc9.jpg

The AWT 2.0 shafts are a +1 inch and regular flex.  They are 1/2" longer than the ZZ-Lite shafts on my PE2's and felt good.  I really am not noticing a difference in swing feel and my strike patterns were mostly just toe side of center.  Hit #1 with the 8i was flushed.

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I ended up buying two more large baskets to complete the data; and get some time with the G410 driver and G400 3w.  A quick clean-up after the practice and the finish looks barely used.  I really like the satin Hydro-Pearl finish and contrasting milled face.  The G410's still have the stamped iron number on the face - which many don't like, but I do. 

IMG_20190612_130418801.thumb.jpg.20aef3d0e63b382814b325773b8677fa.jpg

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I think these are going to work out well once I get as comfortable with yardage numbers as I am with the PE2's.  I'll also be interested to see what difference there is (if any) in how they roll out and hold greens.  So far so good.

Those are great numbers. With all of those Pings in the bag you may have to change your screen name 😎

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9 hours ago, Kenny B said:

Very nice!!  Good numbers too.  That's a lot of balls; after one large bucket, I can't hit anything further than my 8i.

Yeah, I thought about the "I'm going to pay for this" aspect late into bucket #3, but I had taken an Advil before leaving home and I'm happy to report I feel like I could head to the range right now.  As it stands now, I'll be selecting up one iron from my normal, but on a few of them that may be too much at full throttle.  

 

24 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:

Those are great numbers. With all of those Pings in the bag you may have to change your screen name 😎

Nah, my new good buddy spy @PING Apologist #9 has that covered. 

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For your top-end gap question (5w, x-over or hybrid), only some testing will tell of course. I'm partial to woods myself and suggest that if you are comfortable with your 3w, that a 5w may be a good and easy transition. You and I seem to have very similar yardages looking at your data so far (nice write-up btw...). So as an example only, my G400 5w is my 185-200 club and I can count on that distance with it nearly every time.

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1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said:

Yeah, I thought about the "I'm going to pay for this" aspect late into bucket #3, but I had taken an Advil before leaving home and I'm happy to report I feel like I could head to the range right now.  As it stands now, I'll be selecting up one iron from my normal, but on a few of them that may be too much at full throttle.  

 

Nah, my new good buddy spy @PING Apologist #9 has that covered. 

#10 is still available 🤣

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28 minutes ago, PING Apologist #9 said:

For your top-end gap question (5w, x-over or hybrid), only some testing will tell of course. I'm partial to woods myself and suggest that if you are comfortable with your 3w, that a 5w may be a good and easy transition. You and I seem to have very similar yardages looking at your data so far (nice write-up btw...). So as an example only, my G400 5w is my 185-200 club and I can count on that distance with it nearly every time.

Your prowess with that 5w and 7w did not go unnoticed 😉.  Yeah, my immediate thought is a G400 5w - hate to mix up the bag with some inferior product 🤣.   I've never played a x-over or hybrid so I will need to test hit some of each and see what works best.

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22 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

Your prowess with that 5w and 7w did not go unnoticed 😉.  Yeah, my immediate thought is a G400 5w - hate to mix up the bag with some inferior product 🤣.   I've never played a x-over or hybrid so I will need to test hit some of each and see what works best.

Yeah, those clubs save my bacon more often than not

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First round with the new irons complete.  A 40/45 but that was largely due to a hot putter and solid driver.  Wow, this is going to take a bit more adjustment than I had thought.  Yardages are around one club up from my PE2's... I'd say more like 1.25 up on the longer irons.  This is making things a bit challenging.  After 32 years with one set of irons, I knew their distances really, really well.  What I'm noticing most with the G410's is the larger span in distances produced.  Flushed shots rocket off these irons.  Oh yea, it's fun seeing them fly, but a wee bit nerve wracking if there is danger lurking behind the target 😱.

I'm sure hoping I can get these dialed in sooner than later.  It's really weird staring into the bag and not feeling like I know which arrow to grab.  To those of you who changed irons after having played a set for a long time, how long did it take you to establish yardages?

Range session after playing 18:

Club     Min | Avg | Max Carry

4i          159 | 176 | 196

5i          145 | 167 | 184

6i          144 | 161 | 186

7i          133 | 152 | 167

8i          109 | 131 | 156

9i          113 | 124 | 148

PW         96 | 108 | 123

UW         77 |   93 |  103

SW         49 |   67 |  81

 

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14 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

First round with the new irons complete.  A 40/45 but that was largely due to a hot putter and solid driver.  Wow, this is going to take a bit more adjustment than I had thought.  Yardages are around one club up from my PE2's... I'd say more like 1.25 up on the longer irons.  This is making things a bit challenging.  After 32 years with one set of irons, I knew their distances really, really well.  What I'm noticing most with the G410's is the larger span in distances produced.  Flushed shots rocket off these irons.  Oh yea, it's fun seeing them fly, but a wee bit nerve wracking if there is danger lurking behind the target 😱.

I'm sure hoping I can get these dialed in sooner than later.  It's really weird staring into the bag and not feeling like I know which arrow to grab.  To those of you who changed irons after having played a set for a long time, how long did it take you to establish yardages?

Range session after playing 18:

Club     Min | Avg | Max Carry

4i          159 | 176 | 196

5i          145 | 167 | 184

6i          144 | 161 | 186

7i          133 | 152 | 167

8i          109 | 131 | 156

9i          113 | 124 | 148

PW         96 | 108 | 123

UW         77 |   93 |  103

SW         49 |   67 |  81

 

Bill, I wouldn't be able to answer your question directly since I have yet to change up my irons, but would only suggest what I'd do based on your experience so far and the data you've presented.

I'd simply take these average numbers and type up a yardage chart small enough to fit in your pocket, but with font large enough to read. Laminate it of course ( I use a couple of layers of regular packing tape). Keep playing and keep practicing with the LM and adjust the chart as needed. After a while, you won't need the chart anymore. Also to start, I would also think about adding a few yards to each average distance just to pad the number a bit to maybe help myself feel more comfortable with those flushed shots flying further than "normal".

It's certainly going to be a process no matter how you go about it...just have fun doing it!

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2 minutes ago, PING Apologist #9 said:

I'd simply take these average numbers and type up a yardage chart small enough to fit in your pocket, but with font large enough to read. Laminate it of course ( I use a couple of layers of regular packing tape).

We are of like mind... I've already created a spreadsheet to capture range session data and, hopefully, establish a reliable cheat sheet. 

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56 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

We are of like mind... I've already created a spreadsheet to capture range session data and, hopefully, establish a reliable cheat sheet. 

I kind-a figured you'd be waaaaay ahead of me, so kudos! Keep after them and don't get frustrated. You are a good ball-striker. Trust what you see and go with the gains!

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I feel your pain at seeing the PE2s leave the bag! I've been playing them there short while that I've starting taking golf more seriously, and they're tough to get away from. Seeing somebody else change em out tho might convince me to follow suit 😏

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