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2 minutes ago, PAgolfer2017 said:

Honestly I was one who got turned off by the SFT designation, but hard to argue with the results! Really tempted to see what the driver head would do...haha

I know a guy who might have one laying around 🤪

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Just now, Golfspy_CG2 said:

I know a guy who might have one laying around 🤪

Ooh...we may need to talk haha. 

At this stage, I could open a museum display of "Ping driver heads: A journey through the years..." haha.

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19 hours ago, revkev said:

I then peeled off 4 more, high, just the slightest hint of draw.  Average launch was 14.5, spin rate around 2800, carry over 220, average distance around 235.  It was a 12 degree G410 max, turned down 1 degree with a 45 gram senior shaft in it. 

Rev thx for posting that add'l detail. Last year I was fitted for a driver shaft that I could just not get comfortable with .. so I've decided to test out a much lighter shaft (47g vs 76g) that's also a bit lighter flex-wise (even though they're both nominally "Regular") .. results TBD.

Anyway, back on topic, it's also really interesting to me that a few of you have been fitted into higher lofted FWs (eg. 9W) and are liking them .. making me consider doing a similar top-end gap fitting for myself..!

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Fitting question for you all; Given your experience and your hindsight, what would you change about going into a fitting next time? Did you all use your "gamer" ball at the fitting? If not, have the numbers that you saw there carried forward as expected?

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2 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

Fitting question for you all; Given your experience and your hindsight, what would you change about going into a fitting next time? Did you all use your "gamer" ball at the fitting? If not, have the numbers that you saw there carried forward as expected?

Yeah the ball would've been the only thing I would've changed. I was stuck using limited flight Srixon range balls and was hitting them dead into the wind. Even with that, the performance on the course is speaking loud and clear!

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Fitting question for you all; Given your experience and your hindsight, what would you change about going into a fitting next time? Did you all use your "gamer" ball at the fitting? If not, have the numbers that you saw there carried forward as expected?



Track man has a function that supposedly extrapolates for ball type - even if you hit range balls it can be set to translate the number for those into a number for a Pro VI.

I will say that my fitter measured some irons with range balls while warming up and then while hitting Pro VI and Ixs with the same club - very little difference so I guess the track man function works. At least if the fitter knows his stuff.

Something my fitter did that I truly appreciated was have me change clubs frequently - that way I could adjust my swing to what I was seeing. I know we have had numerous discussions about the virtue of being fit outside on grass. The risk for a better player is that he will change his swing to make the ball flight look like what he’s accustomed to. I here had a chance to do that.

So there’s very little that I would have changed. I’ve been fit enough times prior to know what to expect. I’ve only been burned at a fitting once and have learned how to avoid that experience again.

Mine was an outstanding fitting.

I’m seeing almost identical on range and on course performances to what I saw that day. If anything I’m a bit longer with everything than when we tested.
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2 hours ago, Thin2win said:

Fitting question for you all; Given your experience and your hindsight, what would you change about going into a fitting next time? Did you all use your "gamer" ball at the fitting? If not, have the numbers that you saw there carried forward as expected?

I would say the ball as well. Like Hicksta, I was using range balls, and since I was hitting on a GC2, there's no setting to change for whatever ball you are using so my shots were registering significantly shorter than my normal average, but being outdoors, I was still able to see ball flight and dispersion which helped. The numbers that I thought it would be is what I'm seeing on the course as well, so it's transitioned fine, but that's really the only thing I would've changed. Everything else was great.

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2 hours ago, cksurfdude said:

Rev thx for posting that add'l detail. Last year I was fitted for a driver shaft that I could just not get comfortable with .. so I've decided to test out a much lighter shaft (47g vs 76g) that's also a bit lighter flex-wise (even though they're both nominally "Regular") .. results TBD.

Anyway, back on topic, it's also really interesting to me that a few of you have been fitted into higher lofted FWs (eg. 9W) and are liking them .. making me consider doing a similar top-end gap fitting for myself..!

High lofted FW could be the "new hybrids" they are just so easy to hit and has been talked about they elevate higher and quicker than a hybrid would.  As we mentioned a several posts back, Nate Lashely had a G410 7w in his bag this week.  These are just for your grandfather anymore 😉

2 hours ago, Thin2win said:

Fitting question for you all; Given your experience and your hindsight, what would you change about going into a fitting next time? Did you all use your "gamer" ball at the fitting? If not, have the numbers that you saw there carried forward as expected?

I can't think of a thing.  I was fortunate to be fit where I was and by whom.   They had ProV's on the range and even though I use X, I think it was close enough for me.  

The only thing I would change if If could have was, I was very nervous.   I've been fit before and by OEM reps, but there was something about standing where the PGA guys stand and knowing these fitters have worked with the best in the world that made me nervous.  And it definitely showed in the early stages of my fitting,. 

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On 6/25/2019 at 11:29 AM, PAgolfer2017 said:

Ping Long Game Gap Testing - Fitting Review

The fitting aspect of this review was one of the things that both excited and scared me the most about this testing opportunity. As I mentioned before, I’m a self-proclaimed golf junkie who has a tendency to change clubs more than I change clothes. I’m also one that frequents buy-sell-trade sections on forums on a regular basis. While not as bad as CG2….I do have a bit of a golf club buying/hoarding problem. 😀

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My current bag makeup prior to the fitting that I listed in stage 1 were clubs that I was not fit for, however through a lot of trial and tinkering, I found what works. I did go to an iron fitting recently, and found that my CF16 iron set with KBS Tour V110 stiff shafts fit me like a glove. Against all current iron sets (919F, p790, hot metal pro), everything was within a yard for distance and dispersion.

One reason why I never liked getting fit in the past was because I felt like they were all numbers oriented, without a lot of input from me, with the exception of maybe 1 experience. Part of that may have been my fault for not speaking up, but I always felt like I was told what I should play. I swing on the slower side with my driver (90-95) and I have been told multiple times, “You should play a lighter weighted, regular shaft because you swing slow.” In the past I’ve followed that reasoning and played clubs I couldn’t keep in the fairway. After tinkering, I found I get along better with heavier, stiffer shafts. My current driver shaft is a HZRDUS Yellow 6.0 76g shaft, and my irons have always floated between 110-120g.

Once I got my fitter information I was excited because I knew the fitter, Rick Kline, from a prior experience. Remembering my experience with him last time, and knowing his personality and how well we got along, I went in with an open mind, but also with the mindset of starting dialogue and discussion about not just numbers, but feel as well.

My fitting was not with a Ping Rep, but was at a Ping Top 100 clubfitter, so I reached out to him, scheduled a time, and when the day arrived I set off. With the fitting focusing on the gap between your driver and longest iron, I was curious about two questions.

Was I playing the right iron setup?

Would I be fit into hybrids or fairway woods?

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I arrived at Stitler Golf Center and immediately got taken into an outdoor bay to warm up and hit some golf balls. Rick popped over after finishing another fitting and we talked for a little bit. He remembered me from last time I was up and we chatted about the opportunity and testing, and I shared with him the two questions that I was curious about that I listed above.  Before even getting out his GC2, he asked me to take a few swings with my longest iron (4 iron). Took a few, none of which went straight. His first response was, “Yea..that club might get replaced.” I then grabbed my 5 iron and hit a few, all of which I hit pretty well. I then took a few swings with the Mizuno Shaft Optimizer, he grabbed a bunch of clubs and we were off! The only downside was we were using range balls on the GC2, so my 5 iron registered at 158 on the CG2, but generally that is my 175 club, but for the purpose of the fitting it still gave us a good idea on gapping.

Started out first with a 4 hybrid with the stock Alta CB 70 Red shaft. I took a few swings and didn’t like the feel. It felt whippy to me. Overall numbers weren’t bad. CG2 was showing between 165-170 but the ball was going all over the place. Had the conversation with him about always preferring a heavier shaft despite not having a high swing speed and he brought out the Tensei Blue 80 and the Tour 85 shaft, both in stiff.

Tensei blue gave me my longest shots of the day (CG2 registered 175) but the Tour 85 gave me the most consistency, with shots in the 165-170 range (again mind you this was using range balls) but a much tighter dispersion compared to the Alta. Decided that the 4 hybrid would replace my 4-iron

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Next he pulled out a 3 hybrid and that was a pretty simple process. Tried the Tensei Blue and Tour 85 stiff shafts, and once again the Tour 85 shaft came out on top, fitting the gap perfectly with shots in the 170-180 range with the same tighter dispersion. We decided that the 3 hybrid would replace my trusty Heavenwood, and hybrids were done!

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I was really curious how the spot after my driver would go. Once we got through the hybrids, he handed me the g410 SFT 3-wood. For whatever reason I’ve always been against the SFT line, especially when it comes to drivers. If you asked me if I had a good reason I’d tell you no. Just never decided to game one, but after a few swings with the 3-wood my perception changed. It does look a little different at address, but after a few swings and seeing the results, it no longer bothers me. Super straight and so easy to hit. So much so that I’m now contemplating finding the SFT driver head. The Alta didn’t feel as whippy as it did in the hybrid, but we then threw in the Tour 75 shaft. Once again we saw the consistency with distance and the dispersion, dropped it down agree and we were done!

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So after everything, I added:

SFT 3 wood - 15 deg - Tour 75 stiff shaft

3 hybrid - 19 deg - Tour 85 stiff shaft

4 hybrid - 22 deg - Tour 85 stiff shaft

I replaced:

TS2 3 wood - 15 deg - Evenflow White 6.0 76g

GBB Heavenwood - 19 deg - Fujikura Pro 72g stiff

CF16 4 iron - Tour v110s 

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Probably the best fitting experience I’ve had to date, and I believe it has to do with how you approach it with your fitter. The dialogue was huge, as well as what my thoughts and feelings were. Despite a shaft giving me better numbers,  I pointed out I was looking more for consistency, as well as a shaft/head combo that would continue to work for me as I improved my swing. I think we accomplished both of those during the fitting, and I’m excited to get these out on the course for more rounds.

#FittingMatters

Good stuff Josh!

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1 hour ago, PAgolfer2017 said:

Fitting Review is up!

Great stuff. Looking forward to the rest of your feedback. Curious as to how Rob does as a launch monitor. Does he just shout out your numbers? 😉

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Great stuff. Looking forward to the rest of your feedback. Curious as to how Rob does as a launch monitor. Does he just shout out your numbers?

Ha I swear I have some form of dyslexia. I mix up letters all the time. Guess I need to go and fix that.

Though that would be kinda funny haha. I’ll let you know how he does nest time we play!


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Great job - totally agree with you that much of how good a fitting is has to do with the person being fit’s approach to the fitter.

You and I have similar numbers and yet were fit into a radically different set up so it shows how swing speed is only one factor among several for determining shaft type, weight and stiffness.

Great stuff!


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Hey Rob, I’m a grandfather and 7 wood is working for me quite well. I had a flag at 178 to work with today - couldn’t reach it with iron, 9 wood was hitting short and rolling past a bit or staying short, 7 wood was flying past and rolling out over 190 even a couple over 200 (I have a 200 yard layup from the rough according to shot scope). All of my five Woods were between 205 and 215.

Driver was north of 225 to 235.

Sounds like great gapping to me. Looked pretty nice too. I have a functional swing thought right now too. And of course I won’t be touching a golf club again before the 14th. :(


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Hey Rob, I’m a grandfather and 7 wood is working for me quite well. I had a flag at 178 to work with today - couldn’t reach it with iron, 9 wood was hitting short and rolling past a bit or staying short, 7 wood was flying past and rolling out over 190 even a couple over 200 (I have a 200 yard layup from the rough according to shot scope). All of my five Woods were between 205 and 215.

Driver was north of 225 to 235.

Sounds like great gapping to me. Looked pretty nice too. I have a functional swing thought right now too. And of course I won’t be touching a golf club again before the 14th. :(


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Dang it, the more I see that SC200, the more I’m tempted to track one down!
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I'm late to this party but great start fellas! I love this test and will be following along closely. Like many I have spent countless hours tinkering with this part of my bag, generally with mixed results. 

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Great job - totally agree with you that much of how good a fitting is has to do with the person being fit’s approach to the fitter.

You and I have similar numbers and yet were fit into a radically different set up so it shows how swing speed is only one factor among several for determining shaft type, weight and stiffness.

Great stuff!


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I enjoy seeing other people’s setups as well. I think it’s also huge for people to understand that stiffness/weight isn’t always based solely on swing speed. Fittings are so much more complex and intricate then just looking at one data point.


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1 hour ago, jlukes said:

Great stuff. Looking forward to the rest of your feedback. Curious as to how Rob does as a launch monitor. Does he just shout out your numbers? 😉

Lol.  I had to look at that twice as well.  

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1 hour ago, PAgolfer2017 said:


Ha I swear I have some form of dyslexia. I mix up letters all the time. Guess I need to go and fix that.

Though that would be kinda funny haha. I’ll let you know how he does nest time we play!


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41 minutes ago, revkev said:

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Hey Rob, I’m a grandfather and 7 wood is working for me quite well. I had a flag at 178 to work with today - couldn’t reach it with iron, 9 wood was hitting short and rolling past a bit or staying short, 7 wood was flying past and rolling out over 190 even a couple over 200 (I have a 200 yard layup from the rough according to shot scope). All of my five Woods were between 205 and 215.

Driver was north of 225 to 235.

Sounds like great gapping to me. Looked pretty nice too. I have a functional swing thought right now too. And of course I won’t be touching a golf club again before the 14th. 😞


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Lol Kevin. I thought about that as i wrote it.  Im old enough to be a Grandfather but im not 

Maybe its just FW are becoming cool again! 

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      U.S. MSRP: $215
      Echo
      Putter Type: Mallet
      Materials: Machined 6061 aluminum body, stainless steel soleplate, dual-durometer PEBAX insert
      Finish: Magenta-color anodized body, champagne nickel soleplate
      Adjustable-Length Shaft: 31" to 35" range (std: 33")
      Head Weight: 360g
      Stroke Type: Slight arc or Straight
      U.S. MSRP: $270
       
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