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13 hours ago, PAndaemonium89 said:

Just read through the thread and learned a lot. I think I have an answer to why I’m missing right, but want to hear some input... awesome info from @RickyBobby_PR

 

If this is really the long band, I believe it is connected too far up on the shaft which may cause some issues. I usually try to place it near the balance point of the iron.

For example, it would be really tough to keep tension on the band during the takeaway without doing some manipulation with the long band connected so close to the hands.

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48 minutes ago, edingc said:

If this is really the long band, I believe it is connected too far up on the shaft which may cause some issues. I usually try to place it near the balance point of the iron.

For example, it would be really tough to keep tension on the band during the takeaway without doing some manipulation with the long band connected so close to the hands.

It looked like the long band to me too and if it is it’s definitely to high on the shaft. 

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20 minutes ago, PAndaemonium89 said:

That’s the short band. Place it about 4 in from the grip

What club were you using with the short band?

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2 hours ago, PAndaemonium89 said:

7i

That’s one of the first problems. The short band should be used for sw or pw, maybe a 9i Max.  The long band would be used with the 7i and probably no more than a 6i. Also per the protocols the short band should be for less than full swings. 

The short band with a 7i may or or may not be causing some of your initial takeaway issues as you try to keep tension on it. 

Post a video with the short band on a wedge or the long band on your 7i

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2 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:Post a video with the short band on a wedge or the long band on your 7i

Here’s my pw and short band. Feels like my wrist is in a better position, but face still slightly open at p6 compared to how it was at p2

 

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25 minutes ago, PAndaemonium89 said:

Here’s my pw and short band. Feels like my wrist is in a better position, but face still slightly open at p6 compared to how it was at p2

 

Getting the short band paired with a wedge improved some of the issues we saw in the first video with the hand path and lifting of the arms but your hand path is still out a little to far. Is should be tracking more inside while the club head stays outside the hands(pic 1).

your takeaway doesn’t include and real hip rotation so you lack depth in the swing (pic two hours hip have bare moved back and away from the ball (pic 2). You arms are in a decent position but the lack of depth is why you see the face more open at p6.

If we look at pic 3 where you shallow the shaft then look at pic 4 which is just a few frames after that you hands/forearms rotate towards the ball and steeping the shaft. You should be trying the put more bow in the left wrist as you start that shallowing and getting from p4 down to p6. 
 

this gets us to pic 5 where you see the face more open from the steeping of the shaft and lack of depth that leads to the hips stalling and then in pic 6 you get closer to the ball at impact with your whole body.

at the start of the takeaway feel like your right knee, hip and shouldn’t move back this will help your hand path move  in more and help keep the club head in a better spot. 

 

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@RickyBobby_PR thank you much for the breakdown. Shows how much guidance this product needs.  To summarize, I should focus on greater hip/shoulder rotation p2 to p4, actively bow the wrists p4 to p6. 
 

the early extension may part because I don’t have a ball in front me. 
 

the takeaway confused me with the early protocols because they didn’t focus much on hip rotation. If I keep rotating from the start, I assume my hands would be more inside?

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9 hours ago, PAndaemonium89 said:

@RickyBobby_PR thank you much for the breakdown. Shows how much guidance this product needs.  To summarize, I should focus on greater hip/shoulder rotation p2 to p4, actively bow the wrists p4 to p6. 
 

the early extension may part because I don’t have a ball in front me. 
 

the takeaway confused me with the early protocols because they didn’t focus much on hip rotation. If I keep rotating from the start, I assume my hands would be more inside?

For the early protocols they don’t really focus on the hip rotation much but I believe that’s due to the short band pro corps being focused on less than a full length swing. The hip/shoulder turn has to match the swing type. A 1/2 or 3/4 swing doesn’t need as much rotation in the swing as a full shot would. As mentioned in other posts I haven’t really watch the long band protocol series in a long time and just skimmed thru them when commenting on some of the other posts in here, so I don’t recall if/what they talk about regarding hip and shoulder rotation. 
 

As for the hip/shoulder rotation your shoulders for the most part are fine in your swing, the lead shoulder moves down, hard to tell if it moves towards your right leg from this angle and lighting. You do a good job keeping the right arm on top of the left, it’s just you need to create a little more room in the takeaway. If you watch the short band protocol when David starts the portion of the drill for the take away he doesn’t have a huge shoulder turn at p2 and if you watch his right hip it doesn’t really turn but if move backwards which creates room and notice his hands move or stay close to his right hip they don’t get further away.  Let the protocol call 1 video get to that point then scroll the video back and forth to see it in some what slow motion and you can see his right night and hip move slightly back and his left leg can be seen in front of his right leg a little.

As for p4 to p6 yes add just a little active wrist bow instead of rotation of the forearm. You did a good job of the relaxation piece of the drill but then had a very small amount of forearm rotation that cause the shaft to stand up a little. From that spot of where you relaxed the shaft feel like you add some pressure into your left leg by adding a small amount of knee flex and feel like your arms stay where they are and your body does all the work to rotate into impact

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Came across the video the other day 

11 hours ago, PAndaemonium89 said:

@RickyBobby_PR thank you much for the breakdown. Shows how much guidance this product needs.  To summarize, I should focus on greater hip/shoulder rotation p2 to p4, actively bow the wrists p4 to p6. 
 

the early extension may part because I don’t have a ball in front me. 
 

the takeaway confused me with the early protocols because they didn’t focus much on hip rotation. If I keep rotating from the start, I assume my hands would be more inside?

A video I came across the other day on Instagram has some good slow mo of hand path and hip movements in the takeaway

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CKXET5Lhs9Q/?igshid=vk9jd9x1l4cw

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31 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Came across the video the other day 

A video I came across the other day on Instagram has some good slow mo of hand path and hip movements in the takeaway

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CKXET5Lhs9Q/?igshid=vk9jd9x1l4cw

That awesome. Never thought of the net to get the feeling of. Dropping the club head and keeping pelvis contact. Way better than a wall 😆

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1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Came across the video the other day 

A video I came across the other day on Instagram has some good slow mo of hand path and hip movements in the takeaway

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CKXET5Lhs9Q/?igshid=vk9jd9x1l4cw

Net is a good one to work with, although the next video of the series, he really changes his takeaway from straight back to inside. Can really confuse some folks

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29 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said:

That awesome. Never thought of the net to get the feeling of. Dropping the club head and keeping pelvis contact. Way better than a wall 😆

Right it makes it easier to not damage a wall or even have rubber rub off. Meandmygolf have a video somewhere using alignment rod on a wall 

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Just now, PAndaemonium89 said:

Net is a good one to work with, although the next video of the series, he really changes his takeaway from straight back to inside. Can really confuse some folks

Yeah there’s the feeling/exaggeration of a drill to engrain a feel and how in reality it’s not as drastic of a move. GG talks about this regarding his squat and separation of the leg move in transition. He mentions how someone will never actually be in the position but the exaggeration is needed to get the feel. Bradley Hughes has an over exaggeration for the transition in his drill series. There might be some YouTube videos of it. He puts the large bag he used for his other drills on a table then puts the club in the shallow position and squats way down til the shaft hits the bag. Again he says nobody will ever be in that position during the swing

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Video from IG of a pro I worked with in 2019/2020 on fixing hand path and rotation and learned about the right knee, hip, shoulder back to start the swing and how the hand path moves in. He’s also one of the pros that participates in threads on wrx and like Monte has been used by several  members which is why I used him for lessons and what I’ve been working on this offseason. 

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CKhBS0SleSD/?igshid=1fy1iyfeh4qnb

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@RickyBobby_PR, would you also recommend the Smart ball for keeping connection if that is still a struggle with the planemate?

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1 hour ago, rbsiedsc said:

@RickyBobby_PR, would you also recommend the Smart ball for keeping connection if that is still a struggle with the planemate?

Absolutely. It’s a great tool for that. I’ve seen different instructors talk about using it for swings to left arm parallel due to having some arm separation from that point to the top and others who don’t really talk much about that but for sure if making 1/2 to 3/4 swings.  I have one I use peridically.

Some other good drills are 

1) insert alignment rod into an iron or hold it on the side then place alignment rod on left hip. Feel it stay there till the hands get to your right leg. If you want to take this to a full swing set the wrist at this point. The alignment will be on or close to your thigh and parallel to the target line and as you rotate and fold arms to the top of the swing the alignment rod should point at or inside the target line. This portion of the drill is to get the shaft more parallel or as Martin says stand it up like an umbrella.

edit: found one of the meandmygolf videos on this drill

2) do the same thing on the right hip til your hands get to hip high or want some call p2z this will help with the keeping the arms connected to the chest as well as train the right arm to stay on top of the left. If you want to take this to the top finish the turn while folding the right arm and pointing the rod similar to #1 

edit: couldn’t find the videos of me doing this drill from my online lesson with Dan but did recall seeing it with another student of his. Around the 2:30 mark can see Dan demonstrating it

3) a long towel under the arm pits. This is a drill for 1/2 and 3/4 swings. Towel should stay under both arms til left arm parallel. Got this one from the gg online course.

 

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@RickyBobby_PR those videos were great, got back to short pitching motions with the band. I decided to take some swings without the band, sadly to see how much potential speed in losing on upper body disconnect. With my PW, I hit the ball 120 yds just from P2 position- just from firing the hips. That was my stock distance with a full swing. I need to learn how to fire those hips from P4

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9 hours ago, PAndaemonium89 said:

@RickyBobby_PR those videos were great, got back to short pitching motions with the band. I decided to take some swings without the band, sadly to see how much potential speed in losing on upper body disconnect. With my PW, I hit the ball 120 yds just from P2 position- just from firing the hips. That was my stock distance with a full swing. I need to learn how to fire those hips from P4

If you are on Instagram checkout martin’s post commenting on Alex Noren hitting balls with the planemate. David Woods posted some comments in there as well and also posted the video on his page with and posted some replies and comments too.

As far as the protocols go do you perform the day 1-7 every day or maybe even 1-4 or 5? 

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