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I finished the day 5 protocol today, and I would agree with everyone here: it almost instantly made me a better chipper/pitcher. The height and stopping power on even a small chip struck properly was worth the $160. My takeaway feels more connected and I feel like my head is moving around less. I can tell already that you can make a bad trait worse by using it improperly. I sometimes make a “fake” turn and compensate by using my hands too much, usually from way too far inside. The negative that I notice is I’m striking the ball a little fat during practice immediately after using it.


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10 hours ago, Micah T said:

I finished the day 5 protocol today, and I would agree with everyone here: it almost instantly made me a better chipper/pitcher. The height and stopping power on even a small chip struck properly was worth the $160. My takeaway feels more connected and I feel like my head is moving around less. I can tell already that you can make a bad trait worse by using it improperly. I sometimes make a “fake” turn and compensate by using my hands too much, usually from way too far inside. The negative that I notice is I’m striking the ball a little fat during practice immediately after using it.


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I agree on the fat striking as well after practice. My problem is also thins as I practice indoors without a ball (see video) and takes a few range swings to get my bearings back. Enjoy your lower scores. 
 

trying to get more vertical with the six iron. I see I finally kept my front shoulder from starting my downswing on this on. That is my main OTT killer. 
 

PS: my family loves alpacas, so don't mind the occasional stuffy

 

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Here is some planemate swings with my 6i today going at different tempos to try and get the feels. Outside of one swing where I dipped my lead shoulder I think this was a good practice. The thing I noted helps me is to try to loop my trail shoulder back on transition to shallow the club

 

 

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1 minute ago, rbsiedsc said:

Here is some planemate swings with my 6i today going at different tempos to try and get the feels. Outside of one swing where I dipped my lead shoulder I think this was a good practice. The thing I noted helps me is to try to loop my trail shoulder back on transition to shallow the club

 

 

Nice work, looking pretty smooth with it. 

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2 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Nice work, looking pretty smooth with it. 

Thanks. Now if I can get my ball speed up, I’ll go pro in no time 😝

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3 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said:

Thanks. Now if I can get my ball speed up, I’ll go pro in no time 😝

LOL..Same here, I'm sure the PGA Tour Champions is just waiting for me 🙂

 

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2 hours ago, rbsiedsc said:

Here is some planemate swings with my 6i today going at different tempos to try and get the feels. Outside of one swing where I dipped my lead shoulder I think this was a good practice. The thing I noted helps me is to try to loop my trail shoulder back on transition to shallow the club

 

 

Something I notice in your swing.
 

You don’t have much rotation of the upper or lower body and it causes you to lack depth in the swing.

You are very arm dominant. which is probably caused mostly by the lack of rotation and depth. Your arms are very high at the top and should be much closer to the lead arm being on the same angle as your shoulders

The result of the first two comments lead to you arms and hand being over the front of your feet when they should be farther behind you body.

All of this leads to you moving toward the ball and and not rotating properly. 
 

If you use the fireplace as your reference point and watch where your butt is at address and then throughout the swing. It doesn’t move further back in the backswing. You stay right on it thru the downswing and as you come to te finish you actually move in front of it whereas your lead hip should be rotating back and around and should cover the fireplace opening and block it.

i grabbed a snapshot of protocol 5 as a reference point at the top of the swing. You can see where David’s hands are at the top as well and how his lead arm is more inline with his shoulder plane.  He’s using a wedge here so his turn and swing length are going to march his shot type. Since he’s hitting a wedge and not going full out those are going to be short compared to if he was hitting a full shot or a longer iron.

You are swing a 6i so your turn should be bigger than his and you arms and hand should be deeper

 

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24 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Something I notice in your swing.
 

You don’t have much rotation of the upper or lower body and it causes you to lack depth in the swing.

You are very arm dominant. which is probably caused mostly by the lack of rotation and depth. Your arms are very high at the top and should be much closer to the lead arm being on the same angle as your shoulders

The result of the first two comments lead to you arms and hand being over the front of your feet when they should be farther behind you body.

All of this leads to you moving toward the ball and and not rotating properly. 
 

If you use the fireplace as your reference point and watch where your butt is at address and then throughout the swing. It doesn’t move further back in the backswing. You stay right on it thru the downswing and as you come to te finish you actually move in front of it whereas your lead hip should be rotating back and around and should cover the fireplace opening and block it.

i grabbed a snapshot of protocol 5 as a reference point at the top of the swing. You can see where David’s hands are at the top as well and how his lead arm is more inline with his shoulder plane.  He’s using a wedge here so his turn and swing length are going to march his shot type. Since he’s hitting a wedge and not going full out those are going to be short compared to if he was hitting a full shot or a longer iron.

You are swing a 6i so your turn should be bigger than his and you arms and hand should be deeper

 

Thanks for the observations. I do have limited mobility and when I do try to rotate and I film it side on, I have a sway to my swing. I will say yes, my hand to seem to be too high, although the angle of my camera to the protocol video is different. When I try to get more depth in my hip rotation, it also feels like I am about to fall over. Any advice is greatly appreciated. In terms of my butt position, I did the 18 birdies AI swing analyzer and it told me that I was rocking to far back and that my butt should stay in line. Is this not correct?

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4 hours ago, rbsiedsc said:

Here is some planemate swings with my 6i today going at different tempos to try and get the feels. Outside of one swing where I dipped my lead shoulder I think this was a good practice. The thing I noted helps me is to try to loop my trail shoulder back on transition to shallow the club

 

 

Looks good.  Like practicing Monte's NTC drill.

If you haven't already, check out the post Monte made on Instagram recently showing Bryson DeChambeau practicing that move.

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Just now, Kenny B said:

Looks good.  Like practicing Monte's NTC drill.

If you haven't already, check out the post Monte made on Instagram recently showing Bryson DeChambeau practicing that move.

so its funny you mention NTC. I actually am going for a different feel from his Efficient swing series of feeling the right shoulder look back. Both accomplish the same thing

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Just now, rbsiedsc said:

so its funny you mention NTC. I actually am going for a different feel from his Efficient swing series of feeling the right shoulder look back. Both accomplish the same thing

Monte recorded a new swing series just for NTC that goes into much more detail with drills than the Efficient Swing series does.

 

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Just now, Kenny B said:

Monte recorded a new swing series just for NTC that goes into much more detail with drills than the Efficient Swing series does.

 

Ya I have both series

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1 hour ago, rbsiedsc said:

Thanks for the observations. I do have limited mobility and when I do try to rotate and I film it side on, I have a sway to my swing. I will say yes, my hand to seem to be too high, although the angle of my camera to the protocol video is different. When I try to get more depth in my hip rotation, it also feels like I am about to fall over. Any advice is greatly appreciated. In terms of my butt position, I did the 18 birdies AI swing analyzer and it told me that I was rocking to far back and that my butt should stay in line. Is this not correct?

Allowing the knees and ankles to move and rotate will help with overall rotation. If they are “locked” into place the hips and torso will be restricted from turning. There should be some daylight between your legs at the top of the swing and the lead leg should increase in flexion while the trail leg loses some.
 

You want to feel like the shoulders start the swing with the left shoulder going down. Without doing anything this will have the arms raise a little when you are at p1. A little more bend in the left side will get the hands and arms to p2 aka hip high also at this point the hips should have a little bit of rotation. From this spot it’s some chest and hip rotation with trail arm fold. 
 

not sure what the analyzer was trying to tell you with butt staying in line. Like you I lacked rotation and depth in the takeaway. An instructor I worked with last year gave me a drill to do. Take your address position with your butt close to the wall but not touching. Feel the right shoulder and hips start by them rotating back, you should feel the butt press against the wall then finish the turn. At the top of that move you should feel the pressure in your right heel and be able to lift the toes on your right foot. There should be minimal pressure in your left heel and more in your toes. In transition downswing your right knee and hip should stay about where they are and you left hip/knee should be moving back and around. 

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26 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

 

not sure what the analyzer was trying to tell you with butt staying in line. Like you I lacked rotation and depth in the takeaway. An instructor I worked with last year gave me a drill to do. Take your address position with your butt close to the wall but not touching. Feel the right shoulder and hips start by them rotating back, you should feel the butt press against the wall then finish the turn. At the top of that move you should feel the pressure in your right heel and be able to lift the toes on your right foot. There should be minimal pressure in your left heel and more in your toes. In transition downswing your right knee and hip should stay about where they are and you left hip/knee should be moving back and around. 

18birdies had me do this drill. Looking at the advanced protocols, My hand width on the downswing doesn't look terrible in comparison. I do agree I should get some more rotation in my swing. 

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2 hours ago, rbsiedsc said:

Thanks for the observations. I do have limited mobility and when I do try to rotate and I film it side on, I have a sway to my swing. I will say yes, my hand to seem to be too high, although the angle of my camera to the protocol video is different. When I try to get more depth in my hip rotation, it also feels like I am about to fall over. Any advice is greatly appreciated. In terms of my butt position, I did the 18 birdies AI swing analyzer and it told me that I was rocking to far back and that my butt should stay in line. Is this not correct?

Here’s some stills I grabbed from the video. 
 

Here’s my amateur line drawing to show the address position. Based on angle and my line you can see the back of your armpit isn’t over the balls of your feet and your knees are slightly in front of the armpits. A better balance point is to have the back of the arm pit, knees and balls of the feet in a line.  I’ve seen several instructors and have had two different ones tell me at address the weight/pressure should be on the balls of the feet. As you rotate into the back swing the pressure then moves towards the heel and should really be felt where you shoes laces are tied, and the pressure in the front foot comes away from the heel. Then it reverses a bit the opposite way in the transition and downswing.

In the second pic it looks like you picked up your arms and put them in this position and didn’t rotate the upper spine/ shoulders, which will lead to getting the body and arms separated. They should maintain the triangle for the first couple feet, the one piece takeaway.

in the last pic you went from the second pic straight up with the arms and then at the top you had a slight bit of rotation to get the hands and shoulder back in preparation to relax the wrists and shallow the clubs.

a good drill to work on the shoulder movement is to put a club or alignment stick across the the shoulders and feel the left shoulder for down and the right should up and back so the end of the club or stick is pointing towards the ball.

Also to feel what I was saying about the shoulder moving the arms let your arms hang at address, keep your left arm pinned to the side, feel your left should go down move towards your trail said and feel how the arm moves by itself 

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14 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said:

18birdies had me do this drill. Looking at the advanced protocols, My hand width on the downswing doesn't look terrible in comparison. I do agree I should get some more rotation in my swing. 

Yeah all of your downswing issues are a result of your takeaway and backswing. I noticed when getting the captures of setup and thru back swing that you again move the arms a lot to get them back towards the ball. If you slowly scroll thru your video when the club gets to parallel to the ground the toe is pointin straight up where it should be pointing more towards the ground then when it’s just off the ground before it gets to impact it’s pointing way to the right and your chest and hips are closed or square to your target line when the hips should be opened up and the chest opening. 
 

the big thing about the planemate is the rotation of the body. The 3 Rs

if you are on Instagram look up riggsgolf. He has a video going over the swing basics of in one of his recent posts. He also has a video of him using the planemate. He does a pretty good job exposing things.  Marring Chuck and David woods have some pretty good content on their YouTube channels

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Here is my post planemate work today trying to work on posture and rotation. Really felt more ghost hands today. Need to think of only take 3/4 swing as I think I am over rotating. Also, @RickyBobby_PR, still don’t get what you mean with the left hip. I feel like I can’t turn it any more in the downswing. 
 

 

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33 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said:

Here is my post planemate work today trying to work on posture and rotation. Really felt more ghost hands today. Need to think of only take 3/4 swing as I think I am over rotating. Also, @RickyBobby_PR, still don’t get what you mean with the left hip. I feel like I can’t turn it any more in the downswing. 
 

 

There some improved rotation in the backswing in the video as you can see a better change in the flexion of the legs and in your transition you get the squat and slight push back with the hips.

to me you are still raising the arms to get them into position which is causing you to have to move toward the ball at contact and afterward as you see you body move towards the ball and a big gap from where your were coming into impact and where you are post impact.

here’s a link with slow motion swing of Tyler coonts who has a pretty solid swing and you can see what his hips do and where his body is at impact and where it’s at in his impact position and post impact and see that he doesn’t move toward the ball with his whole body.

also a link to Martin Chucks swing from down the line. You can compare what your arms, chest and lower body is doing in comparison to his. His hands are arms are much closer to the body in his first. You can also see how his hips rotate back and around and he doesn’t move toward the ball either and no space created from where his backside is at impact to where it’s at post impact 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CI3PiXEFmXw/?igshid=16qefh5ujzb23

 

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4 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

There some improved rotation in the backswing in the video as you can see a better change in the flexion of the legs and in your transition you get the squat and slight push back with the hips.

to me you are still raising the arms to get them into position which is causing you to have to move toward the ball at contact and afterward as you see you body move towards the ball and a big gap from where your were coming into impact and where you are post impact.

here’s a link with slow motion swing of Tyler coonts who has a pretty solid swing and you can see what his hips do and where his body is at impact and where it’s at in his impact position and post impact and see that he doesn’t move toward the ball with his whole body.

also a link to Martin Chucks swing from down the line. You can compare what your arms, chest and lower body is doing in comparison to his. His hands are arms are much closer to the body in his first. You can also see how his hips rotate back and around and he doesn’t move toward the ball either and no space created from where his backside is at impact to where it’s at post impact 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CI3PiXEFmXw/?igshid=16qefh5ujzb23

 

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Thanks. That is interesting with Martin's swing since in the protocols for the planemate, he says to stand it up like an umbrella, which can easily be interpreted as raising your hands high. It almost appears like he makes a simple 3/4 swing but ends up being a full turn with hands level with the shoulders. I wonder how that would feel with the planemate.

 

@edingc and @goaliewales14, have either of you noticed that with your planemate work?

Driver: :callaway-small:   Epic Max LS with RDX Blue 70g S 

2H: :callaway-small: Super Hybrid with Tensei Orange Pro Hyb 80 Stiff 

3H: :Sub70: 939X UST proforce V2 black F3 hybrid soft stepped XStiff 

4-AW: th.jpg.d6e2abdaeb04f007fd259c979f389de6.jpg  0211  with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 1/4" long Unofficial Review

Wedges     :cleveland-small: Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here)  (Backup 54*,60*: :ping-small:  S Tour KBS Tour Stiff 3* up)

Putter: TAII #2  Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter 

Ball: :Snell:MTB-X and :OnCore: vero X1 (may dabble in :titelist-small: proV1 at some point)

 

 

 

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