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16 minutes ago, B.Boston said:


I think it’s different for DTC brand balls that you cannot go to a store to get if they charge shipping.


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Yes I get that but shipping charges may vary based on location, preferred method of shipping, etc. So probably best to just go with retail price and leave it at that.

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Another home run for Snell! I don't know if I'd actually ever game the X (I will definitely be giving it a try now!) so I am very interested in the MTB Black when Tony's able to get enough balls for t

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I ordered a dozen of the Snell MTX-B and they came yesterday.  I quickly opened the box to find a hand signed packing slip.  Now, I know this may not seem like a big deal to some, but I have to say th

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Whew! I've been playing Snell MTB's almost exclusively for at least 3 years, so I'm pleased to see they're still considered a good quality tour ball - I know I have been 100% satisfied with distance, trajectory, spin & durability. I buy a dozen Pro V1's about once a year, but I play Snell MTB's only otherwise. It's a great ball at a great price!

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3 hours ago, Manimal26 said:

At this point a durability test should be factored in. Just because you can have confidence that you can buy a box and all 12 will be playable does not mean they will hold up the same. From this article it makes it look like the best option for a tour level ball is clearly the MTB-X. That being said I have my own first hand experience testing this ball at great lengths vs my gamer the ProV1x. Of The box of Snell’s I purchased only 6 balls made it through to the end of the round and none were lost. On full wedge shots and bunker shots (Texas sand not so soft could be a factor) the ball simply did not hold up. 
 

Thankfully Tony and the team do actual data driven testing, not single person anecdotal results. I've played the same Snell for multiple rounds without any cuts from full wedge shots on brand new Vokeys, and Iowa "sand" is less sand and more gravel.

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3 hours ago, TR1PTIK said:

I went back through the other ball labs to confirm, but concentricity was mentioned in every other report to date. For some, Tony gave numbers, others he did not so it's hard to really compare directly with the data provided, but based on what he did say it does appear Snell had the most issues. However, it's important to note that while 50% may have had visibly noticeable concentricity issues, only 3% were speculated to have any real impact on performance. It is unlikely you'd notice any difference whatsoever if playing the other balls.

IMO, minor simply means that he could see a difference. Maybe he's even taken calipers to some of the balls and has actual data to quantify minor vs. major, but the impact on playability is nil. 

I guess that's my point - I think Tony should spell out what he means by minor versus major. Is a couple thousandths minor or are we talking twenty thousandths? More? I agree with you though - with my swing, I'll likely never notice anything that I could reliably blame on the ball. Unless the ball breaks in half - then I can blame the ball.

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5 minutes ago, MaxEntropy said:

I guess that's my point - I think Tony should spell out what he means by minor versus major. Is a couple thousandths minor or are we talking twenty thousandths? More? I agree with you though - with my swing, I'll likely never notice anything that I could reliably blame on the ball. Unless the ball breaks in half - then I can blame the ball.

If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say Tony is just giving it the eyeball test. I have little doubt though that the kind of hard data you and I are looking for is out there or at the very least easy to obtain. I can't imagine that any of the OEMs would not have looked at this before to determine the exact point of failure.

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1 hour ago, MaxEntropy said:

I guess that's my point - I think Tony should spell out what he means by minor versus major. Is a couple thousandths minor or are we talking twenty thousandths? More? I agree with you though - with my swing, I'll likely never notice anything that I could reliably blame on the ball. Unless the ball breaks in half - then I can blame the ball.

As long as Tony uses the same standard applied to every ball (I’m sure he does), I don’t care if he does/doesn’t spell it out. If every ball model had defects, or none did, the measurements could be suspect - that doesn’t appear to be the case.

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4 hours ago, Manimal26 said:

I have been waiting to comment on my thoughts till I saw a Snell ball go up since I feel it might be the standard of DTC balls.

I honestly feel the ball lab true cost is missing something very critical when factoring in the true price of a ball. However, this should only apply to balls that reach the level of the Snell or ProV’s.

At this point a durability test should be factored in. Just because you can have confidence that you can buy a box and all 12 will be playable does not mean they will hold up the same. From this article it makes it look like the best option for a tour level ball is clearly the MTB-X. That being said I have my own first hand experience testing this ball at great lengths vs my gamer the ProV1x. Of The box of Snell’s I purchased only 6 balls made it through to the end of the round and none were lost. On full wedge shots and bunker shots (Texas sand not so soft could be a factor) the ball simply did not hold up. 
 

The ProV1x I can go multiple rounds with the same ball (as long as I don’t sink it). But of course some of this could be my own thoughts from the disappointment I had from Snell. 
 

I will say the MTB-X performance is on par 100% when good, but once the true price is established and the ball has the metrics of the Snell or ProV’s a durability Assessment needs to be done and added to the true price. 
 

This is something that I would like to see happen hopefully!

 

I have the same issue with the Prov1x that you described with the Snell, so bad that I switched to Bridgestone after playing Titleist for my entire golfing career. In fact the last iteration to me was the least durable they have put out in 10+ years. Which makes it tough to do a true durability test. 

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8 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said:

I have the same issue with the Prov1x that you described with the Snell, so bad that I switched to Bridgestone after playing Titleist for my entire golfing career. In fact the last iteration to me was the least durable they have put out in 10+ years. Which makes it tough to do a true durability test. 

I made an edit to my first response on this topic after a bit of research. I was a little convinced that some sort of hardness test would be the best way to estimate durability, but after a bit of research I am a lot convinced (if that even makes sense to anyone lol). 

Durability is just a hard one to really spell out because golf balls are designed with a variety of performance characteristics in mind. In some cases, that could mean a harder more durable cover, and in others it could mean a softer less durable cover. It could even be, based on the exact material composition, that harder is less durable in some instances. Just food for thought. 

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2 hours ago, dlow206 said:

By the time durability will become a factor, I will have for sure already lost that ball 😂

Though I understand the point some are making about durability, I lose WAY more balls (still in good or better shape) than I wear out. Frankly I’m proud of myself when I do wear one out occasionally...

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2 hours ago, GBWarPig said:

Thankfully Tony and the team do actual data driven testing, not single person anecdotal results. I've played the same Snell for multiple rounds without any cuts from full wedge shots on brand new Vokeys, and Iowa "sand" is less sand and more gravel.

So first if you read anything I was asking for the durability to be factored in by a data driven test... not just one mans opinion... and only for the best of the ball lab since they are most likely to have all 12 balls playable... I also said for this to be tested after since Tony has put in a years worth of work just to get to this point

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Bought three doz in September and I love these over my Pro V1X. So nice to see they came out well in the. Ball test.

 

 

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Based on what I read in the review about the Snell I bought the mixed dozen trial pack - 6 each of the MTB-X and Black.  They arrived very quick, within a few days.   I usually play a ProV1 or 1x. 

I tried the MTB-X first and only got to use it for 9 holes so far but my initial impression is it played well.  My driver & iron distance with the Snell was what I am used to and the iron shots were spinny enough to hold greens like normal.  It felt fine putting and chipping too. 

The only issue I saw was a small scuff mark after a fairway trap shot.  I caught the shot clean enough to get the full yardage to the green and didn't notice if it was on there before I hit it so I am not sure if it was from landing there or from hitting it out. 

I didn't see any marks on it from regular iron use.  I managed to not lose it yet so I will play the same ball some more to see how it holds up.  

The spousal unit (12 handicap) also used an MTB-X for 18 recently and said her driver & iron distance was consistent with the ProV.  I asked about holding greens, chipping and putting but she said she didn't really pay attention to those details but didn't notice anything way off either. 

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Played the MTB-X again yesterday for about 16 holes and again was impressed with distance and spin performance, no difference than the ProV's for me.  I had a couple greenside bunker shots and had no scuff after those shots.  I lost the last of my allotment of MTB-X from the trial dozen so I will try out the MTB Black next.

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Has anyone had any experience playing the MTB Black vs the MTB X?

On Snell's website they say to play the MTB Black if you normally play a Pro V1 instead of a Pro V1X because of the softer feel.

I'm a 10 hdcp and play the Pro V1 over the Pro V1x, but the metrics and results of the MGS test for the MTB X are hard to deny, so I'm just curious if people are getting the same or similar results with added yardage and low driver spin with the MTB Black when compared to the MTB X. If both golf balls are the same in terms of distance and low driver spin, then I guess it just comes down to how much spin do you want and do you want softer feel compression vs slightly less.

I should probably buy a test pack and try for myself, but wanted to reach out first and see what other members were experiencing between the 2 balls.

Thanks!

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10 minutes ago, jscho said:

Has anyone had any experience playing the MTB Black vs the MTB X?

Haven't played a full dozen, but I've had a couple balls of each and can confirm they are two completely different golf balls. The Black is soft and actually reminds me a lot of the regular Srixon Z-Star, which I find to be softer and spinnier than the ProV1. For me, I definitely prefer the X which has a nice click to it and gives me a lot more control and distance (for comparison, I also prefer the Z-Star XV over the regular)

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I just switched to the Black from the MTB-X because of the softer feel. Spin seems the same to me for approach shots. I am probably going to stick with the Black.

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1 hour ago, MattF said:

I just switched to the Black from the MTB-X because of the softer feel. Spin seems the same to me for approach shots. I am probably going to stick with the Black.

What about distance? Still the same between the 2 or is one longer than the other?

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2 hours ago, jscho said:

Has anyone had any experience playing the MTB Black vs the MTB X?

On Snell's website they say to play the MTB Black if you normally play a Pro V1 instead of a Pro V1X because of the softer feel.

I'm a 10 hdcp and play the Pro V1 over the Pro V1x, but the metrics and results of the MGS test for the MTB X are hard to deny, so I'm just curious if people are getting the same or similar results with added yardage and low driver spin with the MTB Black when compared to the MTB X. If both golf balls are the same in terms of distance and low driver spin, then I guess it just comes down to how much spin do you want and do you want softer feel compression vs slightly less.

I should probably buy a test pack and try for myself, but wanted to reach out first and see what other members were experiencing between the 2 balls.

Thanks!

Spin difference off the driver and around the greens will be negligible. Initial launch for most similarly constructed balls is usually negligible as well as peak apex being similar given the fact that both of these share the same dimple pattern. The differences in these two models lie in a) iron spin (slightly higher with the X) and b) feel (slightly harder all around for the X). 

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2 hours ago, greggarner said:

Haven't played a full dozen, but I've had a couple balls of each and can confirm they are two completely different golf balls. The Black is soft and actually reminds me a lot of the regular Srixon Z-Star, which I find to be softer and spinnier than the ProV1. For me, I definitely prefer the X which has a nice click to it and gives me a lot more control and distance (for comparison, I also prefer the Z-Star XV over the regular)

Do you think the distance with the X is enough to warrant using it over the Black? I know "harder" golf balls go further typically but if its a matter of the X giving me 15 more yards off the tee vs the Black then I might have to consider going with the X.

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