Liv Golf Central Thread: Events and News

[BIG STU]

On 6/17/2024 at 3:11 PM, NM01 said:

99% of the time when he opens his mouth he is isn’t saying anything and acting like he’s taking some stance and then as we see with liv when he finds out nobody likes him he changes his tune in hopes of getting liked and maybe an offer.

He should have done like Tiger, Jordan and others and stick to just playing and keeping quiet on most subjects. His actions yesterday aren’t new and it just proves who he really is and has been

Agree 150%

[BIG STU]

Since I have come back active on here, I will add my .02 FWIW.

Yesterday with all the rain and stuff I had time to review this thread. From what I have read it is pretty much civil compared to where I have been which is SOP for this site. I will commend staff on the "ground rule" posting and on the way they presented it.

Golf is the only sport I keep up with. Being born and raised in the South I do not even keep up with NASCAR anymore.

I keep up with ALL golf ALL tours. As far as LIV I watch it too because I like a lot of the players. I guess I am agnostic as far as "where the money supposedly comes from" Like someone else said and I said it all along if you trace money back on most any big company these days you can find skeletons in the closet.

A good restful Sunday afternoon for me is when there are 3 different tours going on 3 different networks at the same time. I will split screen it or jump from channel to channel. Yeah to put it lightly I am a golf fan

[jolter1]

With the announcement of the PGATour's 2025 schedule, I am of the opinion that the Tour with the flush of new monies and sponsors firmly believes that they are in the cat bird seat as to the negotiations and therefore right now, unless something dramatic takes place, these negotiations are dead in the water. Spieth kind of let the cat out of the bag when he earlier spoke about not needing the Saudi money.

[fixyurdivot]

Well, the word on the street, according to a prominent analyst using an un-named source, is that Rahm is looking to break his LIV contract, return all the ill-gotten booty, and crawl on hands and knees to Jay and the players committee. 

If anyone see the over/under on this, please share.

[Rickp]

2 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Well, the word on the street, according to a prominent analyst using an un-named source, is that Rahm is looking to break his LIV contract, return all the ill-gotten booty, and crawl on hands and knees to Jay and the players committee. 

If anyone see the over/under on this, please share.

Not sure if Rahm wants that, or at least give the loot back.

[Off Map Oscar]

4 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Well, the word on the street, according to a prominent analyst using an un-named source, is that Rahm is looking to break his LIV contract, return all the ill-gotten booty, and crawl on hands and knees to Jay and the players committee. 

If anyone see the over/under on this, please share.

During the rain delay at LIV Golf Greenbrier, the aforementioned quote from 'Veteran Tour Insider' was shown to Rahm by podcaster Jay Aaron, who also goes by the X username, "Pro Golf Critic". In response to the tweet, the Spanish golfer said,

"Yea thats why I can’t stop smiling out here. They just make sh** up. Couldn’t be further from the truth," Rahm said.

[fixyurdivot]

1 minute ago, Rickp said:

Not sure if Rahm wants that, or at least give the loot back.

Well, don't tell me, tell Jaime Diaz and his insider source.  I purposely did not use the sarcasm emoji... figured it came through pretty clear .

[Rickp]

4 minutes ago, Off Map Oscar said:

During the rain delay at LIV Golf Greenbrier, the aforementioned quote from 'Veteran Tour Insider' was shown to Rahm by podcaster Jay Aaron, who also goes by the X username, "Pro Golf Critic". In response to the tweet, the Spanish golfer said,

"Yea thats why I can’t stop smiling out here. They just make sh** up. Couldn’t be further from the truth," Rahm said.

That sounds more like the truth.

[chisag]

10 minutes ago, Rickp said:

Not sure if Rahm wants that, or at least give the loot back.

 

... I don't know who was in Rahms ear talking him into making the jump, but he seemed to regret it almost immediately. I was shocked as he seemed like his golf legacy was more important than just cash and he had to know there was a chance he wouldn't be playing Ryder Cups and potentially missing some Majors. But with today's social media we don't really know anything til we hear it right from the source. 

Edited August 17 by chisag

[Off Map Oscar]

My Race team shares a sponsor with him. They apparently golf with him when he's home in Scottsdale and they've never heard him have a regret. 

[fixyurdivot]

3 minutes ago, Off Map Oscar said:

My Race team shares a sponsor with him. They apparently golf with him when he's home in Scottsdale and they've never heard him have a regret. 

600,000,000 reasons why that is likely the case.

[Rickp]

10 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

600,000,000 reasons why that is likely the case.

Not a bad reason.  Financial security for family is a big incentive.  

[cnosil]

24 minutes ago, chisag said:

But with today's social media we don't really know anything til we hear it right from the source. 

Not sure we even know that the information we hear from the source is true;  players have said they are not going and then shortly thereafter they make the switch.  

[fixyurdivot]

3 minutes ago, Rickp said:

Not a bad reason.  Financial security for family is a big incentive.  

Yes it is.  At least Dustin Johnson was crystal clear on why he chose LIV.  Some others may have been as well... dunno.  I still hope we see these players back playing some of the PGAT events and perhaps some PGAT players trying out a LIV event or two. 

[Off Map Oscar]

29 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

600,000,000 reasons why that is likely the case.

That's fair. And I would have taken that money  

[BIG STU]

8 hours ago, cnosil said:

Not sure we even know that the information we hear from the source is true;  players have said they are not going and then shortly thereafter they make the switch.  

Well this day and time you can not believe anything you hear from "press" whether it is golf or real life. Social Media anyone can post anything. I have taken a wait and see attitude on everything

[BIG STU]

8 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

Yes it is.  At least Dustin Johnson was crystal clear on why he chose LIV.  Some others may have been as well... dunno.  I still hope we see these players back playing some of the PGAT events and perhaps some PGAT players trying out a LIV event or two. 

So was HVIII. I do not know him but knew his grandfather. And they were a typical poor family growing up in Gastonia NC. His Grandfather worked the bag drop at Gaston Country Club for years. He stated all along he wanted to provide finical security for his family now and in the future. He also does a lot of good for the youth in Gaston County NC through his foundation.

In reality even though all of them are public figures it is not any of my business why the chose to go there.

[Rickp]

1 hour ago, BIG STU said:

So was HVIII. I do not know him but knew his grandfather. And they were a typical poor family growing up in Gastonia NC. His Grandfather worked the bag drop at Gaston Country Club for years. He stated all along he wanted to provide finical security for his family now and in the future. He also does a lot of good for the youth in Gaston County NC through his foundation.

In reality even though all of them are public figures it is not any of my business why the chose to go there.

Yup, HVIII was up front and said he couldn’t refuse the money.

[cnosil]

4 hours ago, BIG STU said:

Well this day and time you can not believe anything you hear from "press" whether it is golf or real life. Social Media anyone can post anything. I have taken a wait and see attitude on everything

I was referring to the individual themselves.  One day they say/do one thing and the next they say/do something else.     

[GolfSpy_APH]

I don't really watch any golf now outside of the majors - regardless of the tours but this popped up on my feed and made me laugh.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/liv-golf-2024-tv-ratings-greenbrier-brooks-koepka-jon-rahm-pickleball

I know that these numbers don't tell the whole story and there is streaming etc to consider. However these should be more eyes watching this now no?

The in person experience from many seems great, but maybe golf just doesnt have the same pull and we are more conditioned to watching YouTube golf?

[chisag]

26 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

I don't really watch any golf now outside of the majors - regardless of the tours but this popped up on my feed and made me laugh.

 

... To be fair It wasn't just a pickleball match, it was the Bristol Open.  

[Jim Shaw]

8 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

I don't really watch any golf now outside of the majors - regardless of the tours but this popped up on my feed and made me laugh.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/liv-golf-2024-tv-ratings-greenbrier-brooks-koepka-jon-rahm-pickleball

I know that these numbers don't tell the whole story and there is streaming etc to consider. However these should be more eyes watching this now no?

The in person experience from many seems great, but maybe golf just doesnt have the same pull and we are more conditioned to watching YouTube golf?

very interesting, we talk about "it's all about eyeballs" well it seems there are not many eyeballs watching LIV... 

[silver & black]

9 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... To be fair It wasn't just a pickleball match, it was the Bristol Open.  




 

I would love to have the opportunity to prove that pic wrong. ... 

[Middler]

Hilarious…a routine pro pickleball tournament broadcast has more viewers than the LIV finale. 

https://pickleball.com/industry/pickleball-on-fox-outperforms-liv-golf-on-cw-by-notable-margin-on-championship-sunday

Edited August 23 by Middler

[mardukes]

I just read, "According to LIV officials, all team prize money in events 1-13 goes to the teams, not the individuals within those teams."

What does that mean?  A credit entry on some PIF ledger?  The teams aren't actual entities, are they?

[fixyurdivot]

4 hours ago, mardukes said:

I just read, "According to LIV officials, all team prize money in events 1-13 goes to the teams, not the individuals within those teams."

What does that mean?  A credit entry on some PIF ledger?  The teams aren't actual entities, are they?

Not sure about that but here is the current standings of the players which includes single and team play earnings for the season.  Even Anthony Kim will be able to pay rent and eat well.  Wade Ormsby and Ben Campbell might have to start sharing a room .

https://www.golfmonthly.com/news/liv-golf-money-list-how-much-every-player-has-earned-in-2024

 

[Rickp]

18 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Not sure about that but here is the current standings of the players which includes single and team play earnings for the season.  Even Anthony Kim will be able to pay rent and eat well.  Wade Ormsby and Ben Campbell might have to start sharing a room .

https://www.golfmonthly.com/news/liv-golf-money-list-how-much-every-player-has-earned-in-2024

 

Thanks, interesting chart.  

[fixyurdivot]

25 minutes ago, Rickp said:

Thanks, interesting chart.  

Here's one that shows current and prior years.  It also breaks down individual LIV, majors, and LIV team earnings.  Presuming they also get an annual base salary from the contract amount (seems no one knows how that works), that's enough money to make Dire Straits jealous.  I mean we do know they're getting money for nothing, but are the chicks still free? 

https://www.spotrac.com/liv/rankings/year/_/year/2024

[jolter1]

Listening to Monohan's monotonous presser I am of the opinion that there will be no deal with PIF, now or in the future, and the "war" of golf tours will be in full bloom come 2025.

[LICC]

TV ratings from this past weekend:

Solheim Cup Saturday: 634K

Solheim Cup Sunday: 657K

IndyCar Nashville: 483K

LIV Chicago Saturday: 134K

LIV Chicago Sunday: 89K