DeChambeau doesn't hit his 8 iron 200 yards

[Hindsy1987]

i hit mine 200 yards, sure i thinned it onto the cart path but 200 yards is 200 yards 

[Siamese Moose]

I don't always hit a lob wedge 180 yards, but when I do it's from a greenside bunker.

[GolfSpy_APH]

https://mygolfspy.com/news-opinion/jacked-lofts-dont-mean-jack-st/

[NM01]

John’s one of the better writers out there and it’s a good article but soon loft isn’t that important and it’s a trackman thing that’s great in the lab but not in reality and Howard jones has shown trackman fat exact thing.

But as for the article I don’t know if it forms anything to stop the jacked loft crowd from continuing to complain about lofts that are atrkn get on clubs that didn’t exist in the 90s

[Glennyboy]

I agree he is a good writer, but I feel it was too much of a rant piece.

It is basically all social media derived because who on the course when playing golf ask their playing partners how much loft is in their 7i? Like no one because no one cares about the loft of another golfers set of irons.

So bottom line no cares except keyboard warriors at the end of the day. 

 

[NM01]

3 minutes ago, Glennyboy said:

I agree he is a good writer, but I feel it was too much of a rant piece.

It is basically all social media derived because who on the course when playing golf ask their playing partners how much loft is in their 7i? Like no one because no one cares about the loft of another golfers set of irons.

So bottom line no cares except keyboard warriors at the end of the day. 

 

There are those who brag about hitting their 7i further than someone else’s 7i or 6i as examples. Then it’s the other persons ego getting hurt and then chiming back in or running online somewhere to complain about jacked lofts and blah blah blah about people on courses bragging about distance.

the other is the ones who ignore design of new clubs and why lofts are what they are and why OEMs stamp what they stamp on them. 

[GolfSpy_APH]

6 minutes ago, Glennyboy said:

I agree he is a good writer, but I feel it was too much of a rant piece.

It is basically all social media derived because who on the course when playing golf ask their playing partners how much loft is in their 7i? Like no one because no one cares about the loft of another golfers set of irons.

So bottom line no cares except keyboard warriors at the end of the day. 

 

I think this thread is proof that for many real golfers it goes matter and it's something that infuriates them. Ive already said my main piece in the beginning and no reason to rehash it again.

[Glennyboy]

21 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

for many real golfers it goes matter and it's something that infuriates them

I would like to believe "real" golfers should know that hitting a 180y approach with the proper launch characteristics is good shot regardless of what loft it is or number stamped on the sole.

The fact that this infuriates many of them is quite staggering.

[funkyjudge]

42 minutes ago, Glennyboy said:

I agree he is a good writer, but I feel it was too much of a rant piece.

It is basically all social media derived because who on the course when playing golf ask their playing partners how much loft is in their 7i? Like no one because no one cares about the loft of another golfers set of irons.

So bottom line no cares except keyboard warriors at the end of the day. 

 

I don’t know who you are playing golf with, but in my experience many golfers ask exactly that question (“what are the lofts on your irons?” or “what’s the loft of that club?”). You clearly don’t play golf with any golf equipment geeks or other golf forum members.

[Erin B]

25 minutes ago, funkyjudge said:

I don’t know who you are playing golf with, but in my experience many golfers ask exactly that question (“what are the lofts on your irons?” or “what’s the loft of that club?”). You clearly don’t play golf with any golf equipment geeks or other golf forum members.

I even have my specs saved in my phone.

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[Erin B]

Not 200, almost as long as my drive, and a miss over the green  

[Indy_Oz]

17 minutes ago, funkyjudge said:

I don’t know who you are playing golf with, but in my experience many golfers ask exactly that question (“what are the lofts on your irons?” or “what’s the loft of that club?”). You clearly don’t play golf with any golf equipment geeks or other golf forum members.

Agreed. Engineer and equipment/ tech geek here and I play a lot with other engineers and tech geeks, so this is the kind of stuff we discuss. In the car on the way back from a scramble this week we were talking about the history of carbon shafts and the carbon shaft research a UK university mechanical engineering department was doing for Wilson in the 90s. On-course discussions were no less geeky and went heavily into course maintenance and grass types.lol

I know the lofts of all my clubs without checking as well as what I have adjustable clubs set to, wedge bounce, grips and # of wraps of tape on each. Ha ha.

[Javs]

I have witnessed all sides of this discussion. As a decent player, I am interested sometimes what the other decent players in my group hit. However, for me it matters more on the shot shape and what they were trying to achieve on a certain shot. These discussions often happen over a drink after the round. I like seeing other good players work the ball. Most of us can hit the stock shot. On the other side, often guys in our groups are not as long as me. For example there is a long par 3 over water that has elevation and into the wind. Many of them are hitting hybrids or 5 woods. I can go in with a sold iron. Many times I am asked what I hit. Then there is usually someone who will say his lofts are jacked. They say that with no reference or real idea of the points presented in the article. Maybe it makes them feel better. To me, I could care less as long as I beat their brains out on the course and take their money!!

[Glennyboy]

2 hours ago, funkyjudge said:

I don’t know who you are playing golf with, but in my experience many golfers ask exactly that question (“what are the lofts on your irons?” or “what’s the loft of that club?”). You clearly don’t play golf with any golf equipment geeks or other golf forum members.

Have not with forum members but equipment junkies for sure. But the loft question does not come up. If you see someone's swing and subsequent ball flight and take a glance at the iron played you should have a general sense of the loft used without clumsily having to ask it and just skip to jabbering using them. 

[Siamese Moose]

I played today with a twosome the course paired with us. I recently got Ping i530 irons, and the lofts are seriously strong, as in a 43° PW. The first par 3 I hit that PW pin high on the fringe, and the one guy asks me what I hit. I told him, but tried to explain the strong lofts. He wasn't hearing what I said, put back his 8 for the PW, and came up 30 yards short. The next par 3 I hit 9 iron to just below the hole. He asks again, and switches his 7 for his 9, and is seriously short again. Once again I tried to talk lofts, but he didn't want to think there was any way a guy who was a foot shorter than him and 20 years older could hit it longer. His cart partner understood the loft story, and spent a lot of time trying to explain it to him over the next few holes. He did stop asking me what I was hitting.

[MichaelC_81]

8 hours ago, Erin B said:

Not 200, almost as long as my drive, and a miss over the green  

Golf is such a fun game!!

[Jim Shaw]

6 hours ago, Siamese Moose said:

I played today with a twosome the course paired with us. I recently got Ping i530 irons, and the lofts are seriously strong, as in a 43° PW. The first par 3 I hit that PW pin high on the fringe, and the one guy asks me what I hit. I told him, but tried to explain the strong lofts. He wasn't hearing what I said, put back his 8 for the PW, and came up 30 yards short. The next par 3 I hit 9 iron to just below the hole. He asks again, and switches his 7 for his 9, and is seriously short again. Once again I tried to talk lofts, but he didn't want to think there was any way a guy who was a foot shorter than him and 20 years older could hit it longer. His cart partner understood the loft story, and spent a lot of time trying to explain it to him over the next few holes. He did stop asking me what I was hitting.

Proof is in the pudding, it still happens, even 40 years after Calloway came out with stronger lofts!! Unbelievable 

[Javs]

6 hours ago, Siamese Moose said:

I played today with a twosome the course paired with us. I recently got Ping i530 irons, and the lofts are seriously strong, as in a 43° PW. The first par 3 I hit that PW pin high on the fringe, and the one guy asks me what I hit. I told him, but tried to explain the strong lofts. He wasn't hearing what I said, put back his 8 for the PW, and came up 30 yards short. The next par 3 I hit 9 iron to just below the hole. He asks again, and switches his 7 for his 9, and is seriously short again. Once again I tried to talk lofts, but he didn't want to think there was any way a guy who was a foot shorter than him and 20 years older could hit it longer. His cart partner understood the loft story, and spent a lot of time trying to explain it to him over the next few holes. He did stop asking me what I was hitting.

Maybe he should have asked the yardage and played his own game. Sounds like a man with an ego and lack of discipline to play his own game. 

[Erin B]

2 minutes ago, Javs said:

Maybe he should have asked the yardage and played his own game. Sounds like a man with an ego and lack of discipline to play his own game. 

It does happen though. 

23 minutes ago, MichaelC_81 said:

Golf is such a fun game!!

Yes and we love it!!!

[Javs]

1 hour ago, Erin B said:

It does happen though. 

Yes and we love it!!!

I know it happens, but doesn’t make him a better player. Just makes him an egotistical *******. 

[cnosil]

9 hours ago, Jim Shaw said:

Proof is in the pudding, it still happens, even 40 years after Calloway came out with stronger lofts!! Unbelievable 

Why do you think it was Callaway?  OEMs have always reduced lofts.  If you go back to the 50s and 60s you will see that lofts decreased.   You like the old pros; Hogans lofts were stronger than the “standard” of his era.  

[NM01]

17 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Why do you think it was Callaway?  OEMs have always reduced lofts.  If you go back to the 50s and 60s you will see that lofts decreased.   You like the old pros; Hogans lofts were stronger than the “standard” of his era.  

What’s? Players tweaked clubs to their needs even back then? I thought everything was the same and everyone used traditional lofts.

 

read that with sarcasm

[Siamese Moose]

9 hours ago, Javs said:

Maybe he should have asked the yardage and played his own game. Sounds like a man with an ego and lack of discipline to play his own game. 

First, he was great to play with. He wasn't very good and he knew it. I think he was just used to asking what his friend (who was much better than him) was hitting, and using the same club. Since I was usually hitting first he'd ask out of habit. The second time he asked and I said 9 iron the look of confusion on his face was priceless.

[Javs]

2 minutes ago, Siamese Moose said:

First, he was great to play with. He wasn't very good and he knew it. I think he was just used to asking what his friend (who was much better than him) was hitting, and using the same club. Since I was usually hitting first he'd ask out of habit. The second time he asked and I said 9 iron the look of confusion on his face was priceless.

He will get better if he learns how far he hits his clubs. Not trying to hit what everyone else is hitting. 

[skraeling]

30 minutes ago, Javs said:

He will get better if he learns how far he hits his clubs. Not trying to hit what everyone else is hitting. 

Its why I gave arccos a go (and still use it) when I got new irons.  They were a WILD departure from my old freebie stratas.  Now for all but the most extreme wind conditions and barring a mishit I can usually pick within a 10yd range of what to hit pretty easily.

I get asked all the time what I hit too, like my brother in bogeys... these are SGI irons.  My 9i is not your 9i.  usually a 1 club difference for most people hitting other stuff not game improvement anyway.

Then it gets complicated even more with the fact I was actively speed training before the season and picked up a pretty easy 5mph across all clubs and sometimes more.

Im doing things to not only hit it farther but hit it better (drills, practicing occasionally) compared to my other golfing buddies who just show up and play whack ****.

[Jim Shaw]

4 hours ago, cnosil said:

Why do you think it was Callaway?  OEMs have always reduced lofts.  If you go back to the 50s and 60s you will see that lofts decreased.   You like the old pros; Hogans lofts were stronger than the “standard” of his era.  

I understand now that there has never been such a thing as "standard" lofts, it is like there is nothing common to common sense. 

The reason I say Calloway is because prior to his irons in the late 70's early 80's my field of vision was limited to say the least, we bought clubs from the pro shop and learned to hit them, and we never blamed our equipment. 

Then when Calloway started marketing that their irons went further, which they did but I didn't know their lofts were not the same as what all and I mean all of the top amateurs in my circle were using, that is when I realized something was different.

Some of my friends used to be flown down from Abbotsford to Vegas by "Harrahs" at the time to gamble and play golf, one time they came back with a  full set of "Brownings" basically full set of hybrid clubs, and this was around the same time, late 70's early 80's, now I was starting to understand there was no "standard" to the clubs I have been using and seen being used by the best local amateurs, now I know different.

[RetiredBoomer]

On 6/20/2024 at 1:02 PM, cnosil said:

Do you think all clubs with the same loft and length go the same distance?  F

Nobody thinks that. 

The entire Titleist T Series iron line has progressively stronger lofts moving from T100 to T350.

A big segment of the market is blending them.

For example,

T100 9, 46 PW
T150 7, 8
T200 5, 6
T350 4, 53 GW
SM10  60 LW.

Instinct would suggest  a lot of loft bending required.
I've seen Trackman show these ball speed and launch angle metrics requiring very little bending.

So we all know that loft doesn't tell the whole story.
We're not all ignorant of the design factors.
It's a cosmetic preference, but nobody seems to want to accept that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cnosil]

8 hours ago, RetiredBoomer said:

Nobody thinks that. 

 

I think tots of people think that.  It shows itself when people say they need specific lofts on clubs or a specific set of degrees between lofts.  

[NM01]

25 minutes ago, cnosil said:

 

I think tots of people think that.  It shows itself when people say they need specific lofts on clubs or a specific set of degrees between lofts.  

Agree. 

[NM01]

8 hours ago, RetiredBoomer said:

So we all know that loft doesn't tell the whole story.
We're not all ignorant of the design factors.
It's a cosmetic preference, but nobody seems to want to accept that.

There are a lot more that are than aren’t and if it was the opposite there wouldn’t be hundreds and hundreds of threads across the internet on the comparing of jacked lofts.