Swing then turn to stop the hooks.

[ole gray]

If I rotate too fast it causes all sorts of problems and I either flip my hands causing a duck hook or block my shot to the right.  If you're having problems with flipping or getting stuck try swinging your upper body first and then follow with the bottom.  It's my go to when things get out of sync....  

 

Note:  I am not an instructor and this is simply a try it when all else fails kind of tip.  I'm thinking it might help the senior golfers more so than the young flexible studsters. 

[evershady]

If I rotate too fast it causes all sorts of problems and I either flip my hands causing a duck hook or block my shot to the right. If you're having problems with flipping or getting stuck try swinging your upper body first and then follow with the bottom. It's my go to when things get out of sync....

This sounds like the exact opposite of what I was taught, when I'm caught with the hooks I go to the range and open my stance where Hips are almost facing perpendicular to the range. Getting them out of the way having upper body trail gets my timing back.

 

 

 

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[null]

If I rotate too fast it causes all sorts of problems and I either flip my hands causing a duck hook or block my shot to the right. If you're having problems with flipping or getting stuck try swinging your upper body first and then follow with the bottom. It's my go to when things get out of sync....

While this technique may work for you, this is a recipe for disaster for most golfers.

[ole gray]

This sounds like the exact opposite of what I was taught, when I'm caught with the hooks I go to the range and open my stance where Hips are almost facing perpendicular to the range. Getting them out of the way having upper body trail gets my timing back.

 

 

 

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While this technique may work for you, this is a recipe for disaster for most golfers.

 

I'm not advocating this for everybody.  It's a suggestion for those who are getting stuck and flipping.  As you know if you come down with a case of the hooks and can't shake em, you'll try anything.  DawgDaddy can vouch I have been fighting hooks all my life and it pretty much always comes from my left hip sliding forward and then I'm forced to catch up and flip my right hand over. The tip is similar to standing with your feet together and hitting shots.  It encourages keeping you're upper body in sync with the shoulders, chest, and arms in sync.  I simply keep my lower body quiet, swing, and then follow with my lower half.  

[null]

OG, I understand you are trying to help, but the method you are suggesting isn't a viable solution.

 

While you are solving your own problem, you might not be doing it in the way you are communicating.  It sounds like you have a lot of hand/arm rotation in your swing to generate your clubhead speed, especially since you aren't using your lower body.  All of this arm action is great on the shots where you can sync everything up let it rip.  However, more often than not, you can't sync up the timing and either you throw it right or sling it left.

 

I know.  I was there for most of 2017.  For me, I was shifting my weight forward too aggressively (sliding instead of rotating) and I was getting stuck behind my body and was having to use my arms and hands to save the swing.  To fix the issue, I had to work on fixing my lower body rotation and weight transfer. 

 

So, while your tip may be okay to somewhat tame your swing issues, it isn't correctly diagnosing and solving them.  

 

A quick fix? Maybe.  But think of the golf swing issue like a back injury.  Sure, you can take a few advil to deal with the issue temporarily, but you're really just masking the pain/symptom (swing fault).  You need to find what is causing the pain and deal with it rather than trying to manage the symptom 

[cnosil]

Glad you found a way to fix you issue. Ultimately what you are accomplishing is getting your swing in the proper sequence from the top of the backswing through impact. Different people will have different feels. In the past I have used the approach of keeping my back toward the target longer to keep from opening up too much. Now I Focus in making a good hip turn in the backswing.

 

I'm am not advocating any fixes, just saying that once you identify the cause of a problem, having a feel may help you work through correcting the flaw.

[ole gray]

OG, I understand you are trying to help, but the method you are suggesting isn't a viable solution.

 

While you are solving your own problem, you might not be doing it in the way you are communicating.  It sounds like you have a lot of hand/arm rotation in your swing to generate your clubhead speed, especially since you aren't using your lower body.  All of this arm action is great on the shots where you can sync everything up let it rip.  However, more often than not, you can't sync up the timing and either you throw it right or sling it left.

 

I know.  I was there for most of 2017.  For me, I was shifting my weight forward too aggressively (sliding instead of rotating) and I was getting stuck behind my body and was having to use my arms and hands to save the swing.  To fix the issue, I had to work on fixing my lower body rotation and weight transfer. 

 

So, while your tip may be okay to somewhat tame your swing issues, it isn't correctly diagnosing and solving them.  

 

A quick fix? Maybe.  But think of the golf swing issue like a back injury.  Sure, you can take a few advil to deal with the issue temporarily, but you're really just masking the pain/symptom (swing fault).  You need to find what is causing the pain and deal with it rather than trying to manage the symptom 

 

Now this is where the issue begins for me.  I broke my hip a few years back and have three screws holding it together.  I suppose you could say I'm screwed up.    Add three major knee surgeries on my right knee and it became an issue with "rotating" around and through with my swing.  Heck it's hard to get off my right side because my right leg is now two inches shorter than my left.  It feels like I'm standing in a hole trying to climb out.  Ok so instead of properly rotating around it becomes all too often the dreaded slide and flip.  Maybe this tip should of been addressed to the geritol crowd. You young bucks have solid core strength and should not have the issues with rotation as older golfers do. 

 

My wife took lessons for a year from Bobby Hix who teaches in Macon, Ga. at Idle Hour CC.  He's won several PGA Professional Instructor/Teacher of the year awards over the years. He taught Russell Henley when he was a junior.  Bobby saw where my wife was having similar issues that I'm working on now and this was one of the drills he was having her work on.  My wife fixed her problem on the range using it and it helps me on the course when I need to stay in play.  I'm not playing tournament golf these days however I do hate losing them damn quarters us old farts play for and keeping the ball out of the left woods is essential. 

[cnosil]

Now this is where the issue begins for me. I broke my hip a few years back and have three screws holding it together. I suppose you could say I'm screwed up. Add three major knee surgeries on my right knee and it became an issue with "rotating" around and through with my swing. Heck it's hard to get off my right side because my right leg is now two inches shorter than my left. It feels like I'm standing in a hole trying to climb out. Ok so instead of properly rotating around it becomes all too often the dreaded slide and flip. Maybe this tip should of been addressed to the geritol crowd. You young bucks have solid core strength and should not have the issues with rotation as older golfers do.

 

My wife took lessons for a year from Bobby Hix who teaches in Macon, Ga. at Idle Hour CC. He's won several PGA Professional Instructor/Teacher of the year awards over the years. He taught Russell Henley when he was a junior. Bobby saw where my wife was having similar issues that I'm working on now and this was one of the drills he was having her work on. My wife fixed her problem on the range using it and it helps me on the course when I need to stay in play. I'm not playing tournament golf these days however I do hate losing them damn quarters us old farts play for and keeping the ball out of the left woods is essential.

Do whatever it takes to help your game! Many players have limitations that they have to work around and I am glad you have found a way to improve your swing. Find the feels that help you and swing the swing that helps you get the ball into the hole.

[ole gray]

Do whatever it takes to help your game! Many players have limitations that they have to work around and I am glad you have found a way to improve your swing. Find the feels that help you and swing the swing that helps you get the ball into the hole.

 

Amen buddy !   I was told several years ago I had a beautiful swing. Now  days  it probably looks like I'm wrestling a bear in a croaker sack.  The old boys at my course are ruthless so you better find a way to scrap it around with what ya got. 

[null]

Amen buddy !   I was told several years ago I had a beautiful swing. Now  days  it probably looks like I'm wrestling a bear in a croaker sack.  The old boys at my course are ruthless so you better find a way to scrap it around with what ya got. 

 

Now this is where the issue begins for me.  I broke my hip a few years back and have three screws holding it together.  I suppose you could say I'm screwed up.    Add three major knee surgeries on my right knee and it became an issue with "rotating" around and through with my swing.  Heck it's hard to get off my right side because my right leg is now two inches shorter than my left.  It feels like I'm standing in a hole trying to climb out.  Ok so instead of properly rotating around it becomes all too often the dreaded slide and flip.  Maybe this tip should of been addressed to the geritol crowd. You young bucks have solid core strength and should not have the issues with rotation as older golfers do. 

 

My wife took lessons for a year from Bobby Hix who teaches in Macon, Ga. at Idle Hour CC.  He's won several PGA Professional Instructor/Teacher of the year awards over the years. He taught Russell Henley when he was a junior.  Bobby saw where my wife was having similar issues that I'm working on now and this was one of the drills he was having her work on.  My wife fixed her problem on the range using it and it helps me on the course when I need to stay in play.  I'm not playing tournament golf these days however I do hate losing them damn quarters us old farts play for and keeping the ball out of the left woods is essential. 

 

See this is very important information you left out of your initial post

 

Everyone needs to swing within their own physical limitations.  If you have an ailment or physical condition that prevents you from making certain movements, then you absolutely should be working with an instructor and finding ways to get the most out of what you are working with!

 

If you were to have prefaced your post with "For those with physical roadblocks that prevent them from making a proper turn, here is something that works for me..." then we wouldn't be having this conversation

 

But I think you raise some great points in these later posts regarding swinging with physical limitations

[ole gray]

See this is very important information you left out of your initial post

 

Everyone needs to swing within their own physical limitations.  If have an ailment or physical condition that prevents you from making certain movements, then you absolutely should be working with an instructor and finding ways to get the most out of what you need are working with!

 

If you were to have prefaced your post with "For those with physical roadblocks that prevent them from making a proper turn, here is something that works for me..." then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

But I think you raise some great points in these later posts regarding swinging with physical limitations

 

To go a step further I often watch seniors  who are working on proper moves to resolve  a problem and walk away totally frustrated. The mind understands the proper way to do it however the body will not go along for the ride. Now that's frustrating!

[cksurfdude]

OG - if your mobility is restricted, it's not totally clear to me how a lateral shift forward (eg. hip slide) is easier / more do-able for you vs rotating onto your lead side?

 

Anyway, a tip I saw in a Tom Watson video I wanted to pass on:

If you're loosing the feel of the clubhead and/or you feel like your swing sequencing is out of whack - he suggested you flip the club over .. holding the clubhead in your hands .. and make some practice swings that way. Then flip the club back right-side-up and start swinging slowly thinking only about your tempo.

[null]

To go a step further I often watch seniors  who are working on proper moves to resolve  a problem and walk away totally frustrated. The mind understands the proper way to do it however the body will not go along for the ride. Now that's frustrating!

 

Are we still talking about golfing now? haha 

[ole gray]

OG - if your mobility is restricted, it's not totally clear to me how a lateral shift forward (eg. hip slide) is easier / more do-able for you vs rotating onto your lead side?

 

Anyway, a tip I saw in a Tom Watson video I wanted to pass on:

If you're loosing the feel of the clubhead and/or you feel like your swing sequencing is out of whack - he suggested you flip the club over .. holding the clubhead in your hands .. and make some practice swings that way. Then flip the club back right-side-up and start swinging slowly thinking only about your tempo.

 

I  have that video so maybe I need to take another look.     

 

Actually I'm trying not to slide forward because of what it does to my timing etc.  I prefer to rotate back and around in one simple move. 

[ole gray]

Are we still talking about golfing now? haha 

 

lmao!   You ain't right Joe! 

[Gg Owen]

Your issues could be anything.And what you feel is a fix may be something opposite.Feel isn't real

 

Post a video and I can have my teaching buddy look at it for you

[ole gray]

Your issues could be anything.And what you feel is a fix may be something opposite.Feel isn't real

 

Post a video and I can have my teaching buddy look at it for you

If I was young and had good balance I would take you up on it . I have to ride the hoss I got now.....

 

 

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