BMart519 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Surprise, surprise, I check my email this morning and have a delivery notification 2 days ahead of schedule. Pop my head out the window and see the stack has arrived just in time for a speed session at home over the lunch hour. Quickly get the stack registered and work through the app menus to familiarize myself. It quickly becomes apparent that this app is extremely polished, unlike most where you have to swipe through 4-5 screens of instructions before accessing the main menu. I love that there are relevant videos positioned as you click through to the programs which you can watch or skip permanently. On to the interface itself: The rest timing between sets and reps along with the ability to have it call out remaining remaining rest time puts this thing light years ahead of other systems becuase throughout the routine I wanted to get reps in faster. I was making lunch in the other room on the 2-3 minute rests between sets and the audible tones have you ready to swing as soon as rest between reps is up. I needed to speak louder than anticipated for it to log the swing speeds, but that is a minor complaint to not have to touch your phone repeatedly for data entry. Yesterday I decided to dig up a free sample workout from the Fit for Golf offseason program. I was still feeling some muscle soreness today, even after following the 15 minute warm-up protocol in the Stack app. I logged these comments in the app along with health ratings - again, more attention to detail. I plan on doing this warmup for every session and have already used it before rounds of golf and snowboarding when it was posted on the website. EXCEPT to test the impacts of full warm ups on speed... I plan on doing my "late for tee time" warmup of 10-20 swings with the orange whip before 1 session during the Foundations program and see what kind of CHS differences there are. Baseline Session: I find it very interesting that my eSpeed as well as @dlow206 was well below our Driver speeds during baselining while @mr.hicksta was within 1 MPH. My early guess is this ties into lower speed output on some of the higher weights. I was thrilled to be topping out at 108 MPH which is around an all time personal best for me. My biggest challenge was to truly simulate a "full" swing matching the effort on course as per the instructional video. The speeds I saw here made me feel that I have significant room for improvement on course by not tightening up and trying to steer the ball or trying to "hit" at it with poor tempo. Trying to match a 1 arm swing effort to an on-course swing was a bit of crapshoot as it seemed much easier to turn farther and get more wrist set. Hardware: All the components look good, shaft seems firm, grip could be better, and weights have nice fit and finish along with the carrying case. I like it is shorter than a standard length driver which makes it easier to carry and use in smaller spaces indoors. My only suggestion for improvement thus far: the threads should stop 1/4" from the end of the adapter. It would be extremely easy to cross-thread the yellow tip onto the shaft, especially with the number of weight changes. This would likely required the threaded rod to be extended, but far from a deal breaker. An unthreaded portion allows you to slide the cap on, rotate counter clockwise until the threads engage like on a sparkplug and then tighten down. It is a pain in the butt to place the cap perfectly straight on the threaded end and twist it on in perfect alignment. I also dropped the cap on the floor 3 or 4 times because it falls as soon as the threads disengage which is a PITA. An unthreaded section would allow the cap to sit in place after the last thread. I would be super frustrated if I blew the threads and rendered the product useless after spending $450 on it. Overall: Already glad I made this purchase even with the high price, the level of polish of the hardware and especially the software (it shows pictures of the actual weight discs between sets) is above most competitors. The swing analysis aspect of Rypstick is a huge bonus, but with the video content embedded into the routines and timing; the Stack is very close to having personalized coaching. I am very interested to see "grit" scores and any other tricks to help keep me engaged (push notifications with workout reminders are engaged!). These early results have me believing that 110 MPH cruising speed should be achievable this year. Unrelated: The Fit for Golf exercise routines are no joke, it's been a long time since I've superset squats and chin ups which I was feeling today even after the 15 minute Stack warmup. The FFG mobility work is great for disassociating upper and lower body which is a weakness for me... I think a subscription is in my near future as having all the routines made for you is a nice benefit and the structured mobility work warms you up leading into speed and strength work. I've suffered greatly with initiative to work out at home since the gyms closed on lockdowns. The Stack is going to be a great step in turning that around and I am tempted to take the plunge on FFG to fully commit as there doesn't seem to be much end in sight for the next few months. THEZIPR23, dlow206, mr.hicksta and 1 other 4 Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 I submitted a question just to see if they had seen anyone else like me where there speeds are 15 plus MPH lower than their driver speeds with a ball. (same issue I have had with Superspeed sticks, its not really that important of an issue, but can just mentally affect your morale). Sasho actually just gave me a call right now and talked to him on the phone for 10 minutes going through my numbers and talking through the issue. That was really cool and amazing customer service. edingc, tchat07 and THEZIPR23 3 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogginBullfish Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 That is impressive customer service for sure. Did that get sorted out and what did Sasho have to tell you about it? I submitted a question just to see if they had seen anyone else like me where there speeds are 15 plus MPH lower than their driver speeds with a ball. (same issue I have had with Superspeed sticks, its not really that important of an issue, but can just mentally affect your morale). Sasho actually just gave me a call right now and talked to him on the phone for 10 minutes going through my numbers and talking through the issue. That was really cool and amazing customer service. Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, FrogginBullfish said: That is impressive customer service for sure. Did that get sorted out and what did Sasho have to tell you about it? Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app He gave some tips on how to setup the radar and asked some other questions to make sure I input all of the right parameters such as my driver length. He mentioned that he would consider me an edge case given the discrepancies between my speed with the Stack vs. actual driver, but that that discrepancies wouldn't have any impact on my training besides the Distance potential not being reflective. mr.hicksta and FrogginBullfish 2 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, dlow206 said: He gave some tips on how to setup the radar and asked some other questions to make sure I input all of the right parameters such as my driver length. He mentioned that he would consider me an edge case given the discrepancies between my speed with the Stack vs. actual driver, but that that discrepancies wouldn't have any impact on my training besides the Distance potential not being reflective. Your a unicorn! Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS TD Cat 4 60g 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter:Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: Prime 4.0 Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize Glove: My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 14 hours ago, dlow206 said: He gave some tips on how to setup the radar and asked some other questions to make sure I input all of the right parameters such as my driver length. He mentioned that he would consider me an edge case given the discrepancies between my speed with the Stack vs. actual driver, but that that discrepancies wouldn't have any impact on my training besides the Distance potential not being reflective. Did he say where the distance potential is calculated from? I swore during my baseline session my 282 yard potential came up after my 108 MPH driver swing which is a 2.6 multiplier of CHS and is a common number thrown around for max carry. But your numbers don't line up with that. In the app is does mention distance potential includes rollout on moderate-firm conditions, at 1000 ft elevation and 90 degrees with Prov1X balls. I'm glad I play at 3000+ ft of elevation because it never hits 90 here LOL. Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, BMart519 said: Did he say where the distance potential is calculated from? I swore during my baseline session my 282 yard potential came up after my 108 MPH driver swing which is a 2.6 multiplier of CHS and is a common number thrown around for max carry. But your numbers don't line up with that. In the app is does mention distance potential includes rollout on moderate-firm conditions, at 1000 ft elevation and 90 degrees with Prov1X balls. I'm glad I play at 3000+ ft of elevation because it never hits 90 here LOL. We didn't talk about distance potential specifically, but did talk a little bit about the "eSpeed". What was your eSpeed for that 282 potential? Was it that 108? Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 So here are my stats after session 2. I am not sure how much of the speed gain is actual speed gain vs. me just learning how to better swing the sticks. I've always found it challenging to maximize swing speeds without a ball. With a speed stick, i guess my body is trying to swing as fast as possible through the full duration of the downswing whereas with a real ball and real club, my body is trying to maximize speed and release through the ball. Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, dlow206 said: We didn't talk about distance potential specifically, but did talk a little bit about the "eSpeed". What was your eSpeed for that 282 potential? Was it that 108? 101 eSpeed. 108 was my fastest driver swing during baseline session and I thought I saw the distance potential update on the screen at that time. Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, BMart519 said: 101 eSpeed. 108 was my fastest driver swing during baseline session and I thought I saw the distance potential update on the screen at that time. Distance potential is calculated based on eSpeed, i do know that part. And eSpeed is always calculated based off "Stack Speed" which is the swings with the 195 gram configuration. Since the Stack stick is not quite as along as a full driver, the "Stack Speed" is multiplied times some sort of multiplier that considers the driver length you input to get to eSpeed. I think the "Stack Speed" is also using the median of the 195 gram swings (vs. mean). Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriverBreaker Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 What type of radar does it come with? Quote Instagram: @tony_rosselli_ Training Pre training max driver speed: 124mph Current: 130mph WITB: Driver: G425 Max, 9* Woods: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood Irons: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts Wedges: SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Ball: ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, ChasingScratch said: What type of radar does it come with? It doesn't come with a radar, but it does recommend a few of the most popular ones out there on the market. And then in the app, you input which radar you are using. DriverBreaker 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 It doesn't come with a radar, but it does recommend a few of the most popular ones out there on the market. And then in the app, you input which radar you are using. So you have to have a radar to use it?Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Quote XR Driver Matrix Ozik 8m3 Black Tie Shaft King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft PXG 0211 DC 5-PW Mitsubishi MMT 80 Shafts RTX ZIPCORE 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 2.0 grip MTB Twitter: @timldotson Instagram: timldotson Facebook: TimDotson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, TBT said: So you have to have a radar to use it? Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Yes, you need a radar. Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogginBullfish Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 To get the most out of it, you need a radar. You input your speeds in the app as you go through a baseline session so that the algorithm can develop a training protocol tailored to you to get the most optimal speed gains. Continuing to add your speeds in as you go will help the algorithm continue to develop the training protocol for the best speed gains.So you have to have a radar to use it?Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpySent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app cksurfdude 1 Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) 3mph slower today compared to baselining. Was hungry after a light lunch but did the same stack warmup. Consciously thinking about “full” on course swing effort versus all out “max” is confusing when you are swinging a weight on stick. Definitely could swing harder... Sad my grit was 97%, I guess I shouldn’t have waited 2 days after baseline test since it didn’t tell me to take rest days... either that or it was based on my speed throughout the session. I will likely add full driver swings to finish the stack warmup protocol prior to the foundations swings with the stack. If for no other reason than to get a feel for full driver effort versus just going into stack swings which you would want to swing as hard as possible. Again found that I am on the verge of yelling for the app to pickup the speed number. Narrowed my stance for last couple swings with the lightest weight and picked up 5mph. Going to experiment with that moving forward. Edited April 22, 2021 by BMart519 mr.hicksta, dlow206 and cksurfdude 3 Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriverBreaker Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 15 hours ago, dlow206 said: It doesn't come with a radar, but it does recommend a few of the most popular ones out there on the market. And then in the app, you input which radar you are using. Wow, so it's $350 sans radar. Interesting. paulpattaya, edingc and cksurfdude 2 1 Quote Instagram: @tony_rosselli_ Training Pre training max driver speed: 124mph Current: 130mph WITB: Driver: G425 Max, 9* Woods: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood Irons: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts Wedges: SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Ball: ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 Got a couple MPH back today compared to session 1. 2 stack sessions plus baselining and 2 fit for golf workouts in the past 6 days... Probably a bit too much activity for speed training. I don’t see 3 weekly FFG sessions and 3 stack sessions as sustainable and FFG will likely go down to 2x per week. Didn’t do much warmup today, did the stack about an hour after a Callaway demo. Epic Max LS is legit and the fitter put me in the Smoke 60X to keep spin down with a 9 deg head turned down to 8 . The SC200 radar seemed to match up close to CHS on trackman, which was mostly around 95 mph today. Found another feeling late in the session: waiting for wrists to fully set at the top and picked up a couple MPH. Have started keeping notes on these different feels through out the sessions that add speed 110 is a ways off... mr.hicksta and dlow206 2 Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 2 hours ago, BMart519 said: Got a couple MPH back today compared to session 1. 2 stack sessions plus baselining and 2 fit for golf workouts in the past 6 days... Probably a bit too much activity for speed training. I don’t see 3 weekly FFG sessions and 3 stack sessions as sustainable and FFG will likely go down to 2x per week. Didn’t do much warmup today, did the stack about an hour after a Callaway demo. Epic Max LS is legit and the fitter put me in the Smoke 60X to keep spin down with a 9 deg head turned down to 8 . The SC200 radar seemed to match up close to CHS on trackman, which was mostly around 95 mph today. Found another feeling late in the session: waiting for wrists to fully set at the top and picked up a couple MPH. Have started keeping notes on these different feels through out the sessions that add speed 110 is a ways off... Do you know what your swing speed is on a trackman or other launch monitor with a ball, just curious. edit: never mind i needed to read your post closer Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 About how many swings are you making in a session and does this one exclude non-dominant swings?I’m coming to a point where I think three things on this topic.1. Some sort of speed training will increase swing speed if you’re doing none - sounds obvious but most people do none.2. Flexibility core training golf specific type workouts should be incorporated.3. It needs to continue at some level to maintain gains.I have the trackman sheet from just at the end of the G400 driver test. That was 3 years ago. My game had really taken a nose dive due to being out of shape and significant weight game. Driver SS had dropped from mid 90’s to mid 80’s. Handicap had gone from 1 to 9.Average SS that day was 84, carry distance 194. I had already started a fitness program where I lost 40lbs - I’ve kept most of that off even through COVID. Started SuperSpeed that fall as a MGS tester. By the Spring I was consistently in the low 90’s and carrying driver close to 220. Handicap started to drop and has gotten as low as 4.4. It’s currently at 5.3, swing speed averages 93, carry right around 220. I hit overspeed training hard the end of last year and in reviewing data had a session where I averaged 96 for 20 drives - hit several that carried over 230 and one with a swing speed of 101. I doubt that I would be able to maintain that level of workout activity.Good luck with this one guys and stick with it. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy mr.hicksta and dlow206 2 Quote Driver: Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 R flex - 44.25 Fairways: Ping G410 5, 7, 9 wood Alta CB red 65 R flex Hybrid: Ping G410 26 degree Alta CB Red 70 R flex Irons: Ping G430 7-PW, 45, 50 Alta CB black 65 soft R flex Wedges: Ping 195 S54, E58 Wedges and irons are - 1/2” and one degree flat Putter: Sacks Parente Duke 32.5” Ball: Titleist Pro VI or Callaway Chrome Soft X ls While not at the same time I was fit for every club in my bag as well as the Pro VI ball. I use the chrome soft x ls on my league course. It has much softer softer greens than the club that I belong to. I’m on a mission to shoot my age - lifetime lowest round is 66 and I’m currently 67. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 38 minutes ago, revkev said: About how many swings are you making in a session and does this one exclude non-dominant swings? I’m coming to a point where I think three things on this topic. 1. Some sort of speed training will increase swing speed if you’re doing none - sounds obvious but most people do none. 2. Flexibility core training golf specific type workouts should be incorporated. 3. It needs to continue at some level to maintain gains. I have the trackman sheet from just at the end of the G400 driver test. That was 3 years ago. My game had really taken a nose dive due to being out of shape and significant weight game. Driver SS had dropped from mid 90’s to mid 80’s. Handicap had gone from 1 to 9. Average SS that day was 84, carry distance 194. I had already started a fitness program where I lost 40lbs - I’ve kept most of that off even through COVID. Started SuperSpeed that fall as a MGS tester. By the Spring I was consistently in the low 90’s and carrying driver close to 220. Handicap started to drop and has gotten as low as 4.4. It’s currently at 5.3, swing speed averages 93, carry right around 220. I hit overspeed training hard the end of last year and in reviewing data had a session where I averaged 96 for 20 drives - hit several that carried over 230 and one with a swing speed of 101. I doubt that I would be able to maintain that level of workout activity. Good luck with this one guys and stick with it. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy The sessions i have done so far are 24 swings total, three sets of 8, each set with a different weight. All swings (at least in the foundation program) have been dominant side swings. All have been “regular” style swings, no step swings, etc. cksurfdude 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 Finally surpassed my espeed from baselining today. Yesterday’s fit for golf workout was the easiest of phase 1 and I was feeling pretty good after sleeping in. The golf specific mobility work in FFG is going to be a big help with rotational range of motion. Focusing on the feeling of waiting for the wrists to set at the top and exaggerating using the ground is working. First driver swing after my stack session read 106 which is up 11 MPH from Friday (a slow day). So it seems the distance potential may be on the low side for me. Definitely need to ignore speed variation session to session and look at the long term trends. mr.hicksta and cksurfdude 2 Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I guess I’ve reached the end of the noobie gains phase... First plateau of sessions with equal speed. New set and rep splits today could have had an effect. Did a 5 ball set with driver after speed training: 250-230-250-240-250 (carry). Driver speed was between 99-101 which lines up well with today’s espeed. Contact was solid except for a high toe on the 230 shot. mr.hicksta and dlow206 2 Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 27, 2021 Author Share Posted April 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, BMart519 said: I guess I’ve reached the end of the noobie gains phase... First plateau of sessions with equal speed. New set and rep splits today could have had an effect. Did a 5 ball set with driver after speed training: 250-230-250-240-250 (carry). Driver speed was between 99-101 which lines up well with today’s espeed. Contact was solid except for a high toe on the 230 shot. Just curious, what length driver do you play? Trying to figure out how much speed is added on betweek stack speed and eSpeed, and one of the main factors is driver length. Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 2 hours ago, dlow206 said: Just curious, what length driver do you play? Trying to figure out how much speed is added on betweek stack speed and eSpeed, and one of the main factors is driver length. Cobra lists the F9 as 45.25" without Arccos grips. That is what I entered in the App, but have never measured. Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.hicksta Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 I’m backkkkkkk, and I knocked out Foundation session 4 today. Hyped to keep the training going after a week off! Quote Clubs, duh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.hicksta Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Another day down! I think my radar placement was out the last set, but it’s all good. Very happy with the system so far and I’m excited to see how it translates to the course! cnosil, dlow206 and edingc 3 Quote Clubs, duh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 What i find interesting in looking at results between different folks in this thread is the difference between Stack Speed and eSpeed. Looks like for @BMart519 and @mr.hicksta, the difference is 8 mph. For me, it is 3 mph. I wonder if this is purely due to driver length difference (the driver length you play is an input you enter before starting) or other factors. mr.hicksta 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 hour ago, dlow206 said: What i find interesting in looking at results between different folks in this thread is the difference between Stack Speed and eSpeed. Looks like for @BMart519 and @mr.hicksta, the difference is 8 mph. For me, it is 3 mph. I wonder if this is purely due to driver length difference (the driver length you play is an input you enter before starting) or other factors. Pretty sure it is just a ratio of length between the stack club and length of your driver. My driver was entered at 45.25" I like that the App now shows your max speed at each weight during the session to give you a target to beat. Another nice to have detail to keep intention high with each set of swings. dlow206 and mr.hicksta 2 Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 One aspect of the Stack protocols I like compared to Superspeed is having a larger number of "normal" swings that mimic the actual golf swing but lower total volume. This gives additional chances to experiment with different "feels" or movements and how that impacts swing speed. For example: narrowing my stance, amount of foot flare, loose wrists, "waiting" for a full wrist hinge, and squatting at the top in transition (followed by pressing the lead leg up coming into the ball). I've slowly added pieces over my first six sessions which seem to carry over to the course well. Shot Scope had me at -2.65 SG OTT last round and down nearly 1 full shot in 2021 compared to 2020 (3.91). I think SuperSpeed accomplishes some of this through the various swings their system employs, especially when it comes to lower body utilization. But, the feels on the step change swings or two-step is not something you can copy over to the golf course. I still hate the threads on the Stack end cap and drop it multiple times per session which is my biggest gripe with the product. I change weights at a table so the cap isn't bouncing around on the ground. I could easily cross thread it once or twice each session putting it back together even when starting it counter clockwise to get the threads to engage. I want to work through the Foundations program ASAP to see what program the algorithm spits out next and see how that compares to other users. Definitely an engaging system. dlow206 and mr.hicksta 2 Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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