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13 hours ago, ballhawk said:

The new Rules are available on the USGA website,

https://www.usga.org/rules/rules-and-clarifications/rules-and-clarifications.html#!ruletype=fr&section=rule&rulenum=1&subrulenum=2

along with some other publications explaining most of the major changes. I'm just home from a USGA/PGA Workshop, and would be happy to help try to answer any questions anyone has about the new Rules.

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Is there a coles notes for someone who may just want the most influential highlights that would affect the amateur golfer?

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I have a question to the thousands of golfers on this site. 

what percent of the golf conversation, say, after your round in the clubhouse, involve rules?

Clarification of a rule or rules or "I saw "X"'s ball move and they put it back and didn"t count a stroke" or something like that?

Just curious because as I started playing provincial or national championships, rules conversations are very few and far between.

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2 minutes ago, Jim Shaw said:

I have a question to the thousands of golfers on this site. 

what percent of the golf conversation, say, after your round in the clubhouse, involve rules?

Clarification of a rule or rules or "I saw "X"'s ball move and they put it back and didn"t count a stroke" or something like that?

Just curious because as I started playing provincial or national championships, rules conversations are very few and far between.

For me not that much, however I do have a few new golfing friends who are relatively new to the game and with how it works here they need a hdcp or someone with one to basically look after them to make sure they are following the rules so we have had several discussions in that situation, however not much else. 

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1 hour ago, Jim Shaw said:

I have a question to the thousands of golfers on this site. 

what percent of the golf conversation, say, after your round in the clubhouse, involve rules?

Clarification of a rule or rules or "I saw "X"'s ball move and they put it back and didn"t count a stroke" or something like that?

Just curious because as I started playing provincial or national championships, rules conversations are very few and far between.

Like @GolfSpy_APH said, new players have cropped up this year and that's where it comes up. I always remember playing on local tours here, people wouldn't discuss rules because they thought it gave them some advantage they could utilize later on. Oh how pretenscious this sport can be. If the golf course isn't saying something, I don't really care. I had a guy in front of me in October playing in his work socks.. took off his steel toe boots and walked into the pro shop, then to tee #1. Then just to have a single sneak between tee times. I don't know if people in general have time for rules anymore hahah

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2 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

Is there a coles notes for someone who may just want the most influential highlights that would affect the amateur golfer?

Go here:

https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules-hub/2023-rules-of-golf/2023-rules-resources.html

There are a couple of links explaining the changes.

1 hour ago, Jim Shaw said:

I have a question to the thousands of golfers on this site. 

what percent of the golf conversation, say, after your round in the clubhouse, involve rules?

Clarification of a rule or rules or "I saw "X"'s ball move and they put it back and didn"t count a stroke" or something like that?

Just curious because as I started playing provincial or national championships, rules conversations are very few and far between.

I play with a group of players, probably 40 of us, who all try to play within the rules.  When we have an question on the course, we commonly will look up the correct rule when we're done.  Now that I've taken Rules Workshops and educated myself more deeply, I'd say its really rare if I play a round of golf without being asked about something rules-related, whether during play or afterwards.  When you get to more significant events, most players believe (sometimes incorrectly) that they know the rules well enough.  The thing is, even the best experienced rules officials recognize that there's always something to learn, to understand better.

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4 hours ago, Jim Shaw said:

I have a question to the thousands of golfers on this site. 

what percent of the golf conversation, say, after your round in the clubhouse, involve rules?

Clarification of a rule or rules or "I saw "X"'s ball move and they put it back and didn"t count a stroke" or something like that?

Just curious because as I started playing provincial or national championships, rules conversations are very few and far between.

Maybe 2%.  I play with a couple of guys that bet between themselves and we occasionally get into rules discussions and in my golf league we occasionally do to make sure everyone is playing in accordance with the leagues local rules.  

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7 hours ago, Jim Shaw said:

I have a question to the thousands of golfers on this site. 

what percent of the golf conversation, say, after your round in the clubhouse, involve rules?

Clarification of a rule or rules or "I saw "X"'s ball move and they put it back and didn"t count a stroke" or something like that?

Just curious because as I started playing provincial or national championships, rules conversations are very few and far between.

I don't ever recall a conversation after a round on the rules. Generally any discussion happens on the course. I may bring it up if there is a question - more to get agreement then ask for clarification. 

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17 minutes ago, ballhawk said:

Is it just me, or is there a modicum of common sense starting to evolve with these new rule changes.........

The 2019 Rule "rebuild" did a great job of making the rules more consistent and less complicated.  The 2023 rules have relatively few changes, but they plug some of the weak points in the previous edition.  There has always been consistent logic within the rules, but the language and the structure made it a lot more difficult to discern.

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As some probably know, I've gotten pretty deeply into the Rules over recent years, so the 2023 changes brought very few surprises.  For those who are what I'd call "every day players", what were you surprsed at?  Which changes do you think will impact you the most?  

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@DaveP043 Question I have about interpretation of 22.6 and 23.8:

 

In summary, are the new rules:

  • You can't stand behind your partner to get an indication of putting line.
  • You can stand beyond the hole to watch your partner putt.
  • If it's your opponent, there are no restrictions to where you stand. There would be etiquette issues with standing too close behind them.

 

Would this summary be accurate or am I missing something? 

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3 hours ago, Blueberry_Squishie said:

@DaveP043 Question I have about interpretation of 22.6 and 23.8:

 

In summary, are the new rules:

  • You can't stand behind your partner to get an indication of putting line.
  • You can stand beyond the hole to watch your partner putt.
  • If it's your opponent, there are no restrictions to where you stand. There would be etiquette issues with standing too close behind them.

 

Would this summary be accurate or am I missing something? 

Thats generally accurate, and has not changed for quite a long time.  The details changed a little in 2019, and again a little in 2023, but neither your caddie nor your partner nor his caddie could stand behind you when you made a stroke for a long time.

Edit to add, I just reviewed these Rules, and the NEW part is the "intent" of the player, and the automatic penalty for the player who's standing in the wrong place to learn.  Under the previous Rules, the penalty applied to the "putter" (the Player is the one making the Stroke) for allowing someone to stand there who's not allowed to be there.  An additional penalty was applied to the Partner (the observer) if the breach helped the Partner's play, i.e. if the Partner learned about the line.  Now its directly stated that if the Partner stands there to learn something, the Partner is penalized in addition to the Player.  I don't see this as a real change, just making the Rule more explicit.  It also coincides with the last part of 10.2b(4) that says "This Rule does not prohibit the player from getting help by having a person other than the player’s caddie stand in the restricted area to help track the flight of a ball."

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These make sense 👏.  Particularly the no penalty for the ball moving after being dropped and back in play.

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I just looked through the rest of the rule changes.  I'm unfamiliar with this one anyway, but I'm not quite getting what really changed?  Also, how is it determined the "out of turn" play presents an advantage?  

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Our men's league here doesn't seem to fret this rule as many play out of turn (ready golf) since pace of play is a major focus to assure all groups make it through during daylight.

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12 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

I just looked through the rest of the rule changes.  I'm unfamiliar with this one anyway, but I'm not quite getting what really changed?  Also, how is it determined the "out of turn" play presents an advantage?  

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Our men's league here doesn't seem to fret this rule as many play out of turn (ready golf) since pace of play is a major focus to assure all groups make it through during daylight.

It probably has to do with conspiring to show the play a line or how a putt breaks.   Example,  two buddies are playing and their putts are on basically the same line.  The player closer to the hole is out of contention so  they both agree to let the player closer to the hole play first which gives the player farther away an advantage.   I am guessing that that the "agreement in place" is something that has to be interpreted by the rules committee to understand what was said and how the play proceeeded.

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15 minutes ago, cnosil said:

It probably has to do with conspiring to show the play a line or how a putt breaks.   Example,  two buddies are playing and their putts are on basically the same line.  The player closer to the hole is out of contention so  they both agree to let the player closer to the hole play first which gives the player farther away an advantage.   I am guessing that that the "agreement in place" is something that has to be interpreted by the rules committee to understand what was said and how the play proceeeded.

Yes, I was guessing it applied more to putting sequence/situations but I presume it also applicable to all shots taken out of turn (distance to pin)?

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On 12/10/2022 at 11:10 AM, DaveP043 said:

  For those who are what I'd call "every day players", what were you surprsed at?  Which changes do you think will impact you the most?  

Interesting that they have banned the use of self standing putters to help the player determine line or setup.  I had heard that this was going to happen,  but didn't realize it was incorporated.   Wonder how that will affect the few companies that market this type of putter.

I guess I can use green reading material to help determine how a green slopes on approach shots?  I just can't use them prior to a putt.

On the ball moved by natural forces.   What is the scenario of I place the ball and it doesn't initially move.   I go to get a club and the ball then moves because of natural forces.  I am supposed to replace the ball, but what if it will not stay in that spot on subsequent placements?

How particular is this:  "Regardless of area of the course, a player is not allowed to set an object down to show the line of play or to help with taking stance."   Does this mean a player is no longer allowed to place their club down behind the ball and stand inline with the club between themselves and the ball to adjust the club to be pointing correctly and then without moving the club maneuver around and take their stance?    Is a player even allowed to ground their club to help with taking their setup?   Basically how restrictive is this rule?

 

 

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

Wonder how that will affect the few companies that market this type of putter.

Considering that the vast majority of players and playing groups (even leagues) don't follow all of the rules anyway, I'm guessing the change won't sink them.

After todays round the rules change topic came up and one of the guys said he had heard they changed the ball in a fairway divot - allowing a drop no closer to the pin.  Everyone got excited... then I dropped the proverbial "turd in the punchbowl" 😆.

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