Course Management - How Would You Play This Hole?

[Wmyoungiv]

I like this! For me, probably looking at the yellow, 415 yard tees. 2i off the tee aiming at the mound on the right side. If it is hit perfect, then I’m sitting on the mound at 150 yards in, if I catch it a little fat, then it is safe and I am hitting a longer iron in. Second shot would be a 8-9 iron depending on 150-160 yard distance and wind. Probably 3 putt after I’m there for a bogie.

[gingerbeast87]

Peach tee

Driver to around 233 yards out

Feeling frisky 3-wood to the edge of the green

Feeling cautious 7 iron to the 80 yard mark then pitching wedge into the green

Aim to land below the pin to putt up hill for a safe par or one over (taking into account that I probably have one to play with from my handicap).

[BLD7]

High likelihood I'm playing the orange tees. As much as I'd be tempted to pull driver here, the landing zone looks tight from the tee, so I'm grabbing the 3 wood and taking what the course gives me. Depending on the bounce, I'm looking at a 7 or 8 into the green. Pin placement looks to be middle, just short of that back tier so I'm want to stay short of the hole no matter what...

["Mr. 72"]

I'm probably playing from 384 or 415. In either event I'm going to try to hit driver up the right side to possibly have a some type of wedge in my hand. I've played this hole, and I don't remember the lips of the waste bunkers being sever. If I hit a poor drive or a solid drive left and end up in that waste bunker, so be it. I like my chances of hitting the green from there vs 30+ yds back in the fairway.

Edited November 6, 2023 by "Mr. 72"
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[Jason Costain]

Leave the 9 degree Maverik in the car and get out the TaylorMade BRNR mini driver,  go LHS fairway and with the  fade hope to stay on the cut stuff.

then its aim to the left of the green but club up as there is plenty of room behind  (so it's all fairway if I chunk it short) and drift it to the centre, with 2 putts and onto the next

[ericduffett]

Love this thread! I pulled up this shot on the Shot Pattern app and was a bit surprised at what I found. Below is a picture of my dispersion along with the averaged strokes gained across all of the tee shots I've recorded in my profile. I'm a bomber, but can't hit it straight. Even though hitting driver brings the bunker into play for me, it's still easily the best choice. The fairway is still 55 yards wide at 300 yards, which is a huge factor here.

Across all shots, I'll average 0.2 strokes gained. If I lay up short of the bunker, the absolute BEST I can do is 0.21 strokes gained (and that's if the ball is hit precisely to the edge of the bunker leaving an approach of less than 182 yards.

 

[Frozen Spy]

Depending on what tee I'm playing, and it's tough cause I can't really see what the terrain is doing, and the wind I would play the right side of the tee, aiming over the 209 mark, if I fade it or pull it I'm ok.  The right side seems to set up a better approach and it wouldn't matter where the pin is, as much, you'd be able to go for the middle with little trouble in the way.  It looks like it's better to be long than short on the green so play longer than I think to take trouble out, unless it slopes severely on the back and right side.  I'd hate to be short and in that bunker, especially if the flag is short sided there, definitely play for the middle.

[Kevin W]

From the tips, I'd play toward the first dotted line favoring the right side with a five or three wood leaving a mid iron in. On the approach, I'd aim left side of green playing a fade if pin is cut center or right or straight if pin is left. Neat looking hole, surely giving you many choices as to what to do.

[Rygolf32]

On 10/27/2023 at 1:01 PM, GolfSpy_APH said:

Every few days one of the forum staff members will drop a hole for the community to discuss on how they would play the hole. Course management is different for everyone and the previous thread brought out some great discussion on how many would play various holes. There are always a ton of ways to play a hole depending on a golfers ability and more, here you can find various holes and various ideas from different golfers on how to potentially best play that hole. 

To kick off this series lets go to @Jnoble89 neck of the woods and look at the 6th hole at Sand Valley, Wisconsin. -https://sandvalley.com/sand-valley

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/576025fa22482e70f0278a4d/t/5cafb38ce4966b8002e86f9a/1555018646008/Sand+Valley+Course+Guide.pdf

Feel free to explore options for various pin locations! 

 

Probably depends on the wind but assuming I'm playing the tips, I'd put either a 3 wood out to the right side of the fairway leaving a 7ish in or poke a driver over the bunkers with wedge in. Very conservative shot would be 3 iron to the right side of the fairway and 4/5 iron into the green.

 

This course looks amazing BTW!

[BallsLeon]

5 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

https://therisegolf.ca/hole-4/

It is short par 4 time!

You will see me post a few holes from the course as it is easily a top 5 course for me. I have only played this hole twice and managed a par both times. The first time I got lucky and drove the green with a 2 iron and the scond time managed to get a par from the short right bunker. 

The tall tree on the left grabs your attention a seems like the line if you have never played it. However is better to be right of the tree. Anything left going to the green feeds away from you and anything right is flirting with danger. 

How would you play this hole? For conditions it is summer mid 80s, pretty hard so decent roll out and with the trees there is little to no wind effecting the flight. 

 

Playing from the regular tees, would tee off with driving iron lining up just left of center of the fairway, that should be about 200 but might rollout. Hopefully that'd put me just at the end of the fairway leaving 60-70yds left, perfect for the 60°. 

No chance I'd go for the green off the tee, that's a lost ball for me.

[RHB75]

From the orange tees, assuming less than a 10 mph wind in my face I'd probably go with my 3 wood and a draw. That would most likely leave me with about 190-95 and my 4-Hybrid for my second shot. If the wind is > 10mph than its a driver (which usually is a fade) and my hybrid for the second shot.

[tchat07]

Probably going driver regardless of tee. Carry about 235 so unless its playing crazy firm and fast I would expect it to go about 250. Gives me about 195 in from the tips. This is where pin placement is the big thing. 

I fade the ball so a front right pin would be a no go because right of that pin looks pretty dead. A front left pin my miss would be short in order to give me green to work with or take the right side of the green. Looks like a ridge separates the back portion of the green so an aggressive play there seems warranted because I don't want a difficult long breaking putt.

Edited November 7, 2023 by tchat07

[EnderinAZ]

I would most likely play the "Sand" tees at 415 in. Depending on the width of the fairway and if my playing partner answers the "Now what?" question with " I donno"  I would want to just blast a driver shot straight down the middle. But, you run out of fairway pretty fast with not much rough to stop the ball. First time on this course and an I donno answer I pull out my 2 hybrid for the tee shot and my 4 for the shot into the green if that looks doable.  I cannot tell the landing area other than don't go right so there is a good chance I would go sand wedge for my second shot and pin seek with a 80 yard pitch in. Try for the one put but most likely walk away happy with a bogie. 

[mpfund]

I would most likely hit 5 wood off the tee right around 210 220. Then would have 5 or 6 iron left depending on the lie & pin position. Taking the right club to not short side myself.  With a GIR Hopefully have a make able birdie putt. With a missed green depending lie would use either 60 or 56 degree wedge to get up & down

[ChuckZ]

At the age of 77 and with a 20 handicap (am working on getting this down thru PT and instruction, as been a long recovery)  would probably be playing from the 384 or 305 tees all depending on the overall length of those particular tees, based on the USGA 7 iron suggestion (normally play 5400-5900).  For the sake of this exercise with go with the 384 tees.  Would hit my driver and then most likely follow with a six iron to the low side of the green.  If I miss can always cip up close to the pin for hopefully a close putt out for a par, at worse a bogey.  

[Pastor Chuck]

I like that this course is a "caddie experience" course! I'd first ask my caddie what they'd suggest. He / she has watched me for 5 holes and should be able to give me some pretty sage advice. But, I would probably hit my Ping 4 hybrid off the tee (orange this time) to control my natural draw and hit the right side of the fairway, leaving a solid 195 yds to the pin. No sin in being long here (plenty of room) so 5 iron to the green. If I'm right, a birdie. Otherwise, a chip-putt / 2 putt par. On to the next hole!

[LinksgolfFever]

Playing from the orange, this looks like a good candidate for my 3 wood taking aim at the inside line of the first bunker a butter cut should get me to somewhere between 170-180 in. Which leaves me a full 7 iron.  This hole looks like it’d be fun. the wind conditions could possibly change my answer 

[Play18]

Great fun course. I hit driver off the Orange tee, aiming at the left bunker and playing a fade. The approach shot will be a 6, 7, or 8 depending on wind conditions.


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[Cdille31]

From the black tees.. I am pulling out my 2 hybrid (275-280yards) and aiming towards the right edge of the bunker on the left and playing a butter cut to the middle of the fairway. Should have a smooth 7iron into the green maybe a 8iron if the wind is behind me. Aiming for the middle of green and not pin chasing unless the pin is on that back top shelf. 

[darrellthompson]

Playing it from the 445 tees hitting 3w off the tee to give me about 170 in. Hitting a 7 iron into the green and hopefully putting 

[BMart519]

7 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

https://therisegolf.ca/hole-4/

It is short par 4 time!

You will see me post a few holes from the course as it is easily a top 5 course for me. I have only played this hole twice and managed a par both times. The first time I got lucky and drove the green with a 2 iron and the scond time managed to get a par from the short right bunker. 

The tall tree on the left grabs your attention a seems like the line if you have never played it. However is better to be right of the tree. Anything left going to the green feeds away from you and anything right is flirting with danger. 

How would you play this hole? For conditions it is summer mid 80s, pretty hard so decent roll out and with the trees there is little to no wind effecting the flight. 

 

Hitting a 6i or Driving iron to 200 with wedge in. Looks like 50 yards or less of width between the fescue and hillside for most of the hole. Also totally blind, so trying to find a ball that makes its way into the fescue is going to be difficult going for the green. Hitting something where the weak fade miss stays short of the right side FWY bunker at 200... So more thank likely 6i

Edited November 6, 2023 by BMart519

[vandyland]

7 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

It is short par 4 time!

I will draw my pictures as always, haha. Looks like it plays at least 40-50 ft downhill. By the way, this golf course looks VERY cool. 

The view from the tee is intimidating as well....

 

But, in reality, I am probably aiming for the 230 yd landing zone here. I really like my hybrid off the tee and i think 50 yds is a good landing zone for me. If I hit it well, it will probably kick down and to the front left short of the bunkers. If I don't quite catch it I might stay right on top on the flat which leaves like an 80 yd wedge shot slightly downhill, which I would love. That's an easy 54* for me. 

 

 

[GolfSpy_APH]

3 minutes ago, vandyland said:

I will draw my pictures as always, haha. Looks like it plays at least 40-50 ft downhill. By the way, this golf course looks VERY cool. 

The view from the tee is intimidating as well....

 

But, in reality, I am probably aiming for the 230 yd landing zone here. I really like my hybrid off the tee and i think 50 yds is a good landing zone for me. If I hit it well, it will probably kick down and to the front left short of the bunkers. If I don't quite catch it I might stay right on top on the flat which leaves like an 80 yd wedge shot slightly downhill, which I would love. That's an easy 54* for me. 

 

 

This is such a unique and fun course. I don't like a few of the changes they made and in my opinion they ruined the 18th as well as the 11th, however it now starts off with back to back par 5s which is pretty unique as well. 

[No3whackin]

Very fun exercise!  Having played the hole recently (and if you haven’t been up to SV yet, DO IT!), here’s what I did.  Played from the racks and it was roughly 255 to that “261” bunker.  Started a cut hybrid down the left side about 245 after run out, and left myself 208 to a back hole location with a slight headwind.  Our caddie was awesome!  He guided me to play to the front third of the green and the ball would likely run out to the back third without going past the hole and over.  Hit my 180 club and he was dead on - ended up about 25 feet short of the hole.  No go on the tweet, but easy tap in par.

Now go play it for yourselves!

[dinomack99]

I'm probably playing from the Sand tees. A nice 6,000 yard experience. Given my drives are typically in the 250 range, I have to pull out the big stick to get home in 2. I think I've got a nice landing spot beyond the first bunker at 220, though I may be flirting with that middle pot bunker if I hit it well. Tight, challenging hole. Aim to the right side and draw it left into the fairway. 

[Shifty]

black or gold tees, hitting driver all the way.  If I make it over or am on right of the sand traps would be perfect.  If I end up in the bunker it is ok as fairway bunkers aren't usually too hard.

I'd never hit anything less as leaves too long of a second shot.

[pdr747]

Okay so not a lot of Decade and Scott Fawcett fans around here.  Check him out.  First hole -  This is easy from all tees I’m sending it.  At the right tee box I’m assuming most of us are driver wedge or 9 iron.  This is the best option even if you are in the sand. This is better than the 7 iron or higher from the fairway you are trying to play as your second shot.  As most of you point out you are  probably missing the fairway anyways so why not miss it with as short of a second shot as possible?  

[mackdaddy]

It would depend on the way I was hitting my driver that round.  If I am driving it well I would play an intentional pull and hit to the far left side of the far fairway, if it has been a less skilled driving day I would play a 3 fairway with a draw and hit it near the end of the right hand fairway.  First option would leave me a wedge to the green in attack mode.  The second would leave me a mid iron to the middle of the green.  Option one could give me a makeable  birdie try.  Option two leaves me putting into a 3 foot bucket and an easy par. 

If my score is good I take option 1 most often option two would be to protect my card from extra strokes.  

I attack on the most scorable holes and keep the card safe on the high risk reward holes.

[funkyjudge]

7 hours ago, vandyland said:

I will draw my pictures as always, haha. Looks like it plays at least 40-50 ft downhill. By the way, this golf course looks VERY cool. 

The view from the tee is intimidating as well....

 

But, in reality, I am probably aiming for the 230 yd landing zone here. I really like my hybrid off the tee and i think 50 yds is a good landing zone for me. If I hit it well, it will probably kick down and to the front left short of the bunkers. If I don't quite catch it I might stay right on top on the flat which leaves like an 80 yd wedge shot slightly downhill, which I would love. That's an easy 54* for me. 

 

 

For me, it’s a 4-wood, utility wood (comparable to 3-hybrid in loft and distance) or 4-hybrid (2* weaker and 1” shorter than the UW) off of that tee. It could even be a 5-iron, which I hit at least 195-200 yards, and often even more, off a tee. My decision would be dependent upon wind, elevation and elevation drop on the hole.

Edited November 6, 2023 by funkyjudge

[Q22Golf]

On 10/27/2023 at 2:01 PM, GolfSpy_APH said:

Every few days one of the forum staff members will drop a hole for the community to discuss on how they would play the hole. Course management is different for everyone and the previous thread brought out some great discussion on how many would play various holes. There are always a ton of ways to play a hole depending on a golfers ability and more, here you can find various holes and various ideas from different golfers on how to potentially best play that hole. 

To kick off this series lets go to @Jnoble89 neck of the woods and look at the 6th hole at Sand Valley, Wisconsin. -https://sandvalley.com/sand-valley

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/576025fa22482e70f0278a4d/t/5cafb38ce4966b8002e86f9a/1555018646008/Sand+Valley+Course+Guide.pdf

Feel free to explore options for various pin locations! 

 

I love to gamble with my driver! But I am probably going 3W or 3H off the tee, then playing in from there, like others. Then 7i most likely into the green, chip on, and putt.