Jim Shaw Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 I stole this from another spy, well best practices lol, it made me realize I watch to learn, so just interested in other responses. ParFore74x, sirchunksalot and Josh Parker 3 Quote committed to performance excellence Link to comment
fixyurdivot Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Mostly entertainment but I suppose something is learned whether we realize it or not. ParFore74x, sirchunksalot, Jim Shaw and 1 other 4 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment
ParFore74x Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 My primary purpose is entertainment but, I believe we all inevitably learn something by tuning in. I feel that the interactions between some of the caddies and players have some strong possibilities of passing on good knowledge to viewers. Jim Shaw and sirchunksalot 2 Quote TSi3 10° w/ Mitsubishi Tensei 1K Black 65g TS2 15° 3W w/ Project X HZRDUS Smoke Black 6.0 70g 818 H1 21° Hybrid w/ Mitsubishi Tensei CK Blue 70g MP-18 MMC 2 iron w/ KBS Tour C-Taper S 120g JPX 921 HM 5-GW w/ Project X LZ 5.5 115g JB Forged 54° & 58° w/ Project X LZ 6.0 120g EV5.3 Black Official Tester Review Nitron push cart Unofficial review Link to comment
cnosil Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 For me TV golf is for entertainment. I can't watch a swing and learn anything. Since we only see random shots, you can't really get into their course strategy and thought process (the occasional player/caddie interaction gives a little). When Phil was on the match and he described his lie assessment and shot approach it was interesting. based on what I have learned from course management systems, the announcers don't communicate what they are doing accurately. Occasionally there will be a troubled lie where you might get a nugget of info, but not worth watching the entire event for. I feel that anything that I might lean from watching 4 hours of entertainment can be searched for and found more easily elsewhere. My golf level is more about making golf simple and working on "perfecting" basic/stock type shots. I feel things like course management, mental focus, and stock shots should be able to get me to pretty close to scratch and aren't things TV golf communicates well. If you want to learn, I think there are significantly better ways to assess professional golfers. Post tournament assessments via Shotlink Scott Fawcett will occasionally do webinars post tournament and show the players shots on shot link which will get into how the players actually played the course. and give a basic idea of targeting strategies since you see all the shots the players hit. Attending events in person Practice days are ideal since you can watch players on the range and putting green. You can see how and what they practice and what aids they use Volunteering for on course positions. I loved being the walking scorer since you followed a group for 18 holes and heard the caddie/player interactions and understood how they were attacking the course. Better than just attending since you got better perspective on the players shots. Josh Parker, Rob Person, sirchunksalot and 2 others 4 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Kenny B Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 It's fun watching how golf is supposed to be played, and I feel better when I see pros hit bad shots like I do... chunking a chip, not getting ball out of a bunker, leaving a putt woefully short or blast way past the cup. While watching impressive stripe shows is entertaining, I most enjoy watching how the best players in the world recover from bad situations. I also like to see the various courses... the hole layouts, types of grass, and adjustments that are made to best avoid bad locations. silver & black, ParFore74x, Rob Person and 2 others 5 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment
Jim Shaw Posted November 25, 2023 Author Share Posted November 25, 2023 14 minutes ago, cnosil said: For me TV golf is for entertainment. I can't watch a swing and learn anything. Since we only see random shots, you can't really get into their course strategy and thought process (the occasional player/caddie interaction gives a little). When Phil was on the match and he described his lie assessment and shot approach it was interesting. based on what I have learned from course management systems, the announcers don't communicate what they are doing accurately. Occasionally there will be a troubled lie where you might get a nugget of info, but not worth watching the entire event for. I feel that anything that I might lean from watching 4 hours of entertainment can be searched for and found more easily elsewhere. My golf level is more about making golf simple and working on "perfecting" basic/stock type shots. I feel things like course management, mental focus, and stock shots should be able to get me to pretty close to scratch and aren't things TV golf communicates well. If you want to learn, I think there are significantly better ways to assess professional golfers. Post tournament assessments via Shotlink Scott Fawcett will occasionally do webinars post tournament and show the players shots on shot link which will get into how the players actually played the course. and give a basic idea of targeting strategies since you see all the shots the players hit. Attending events in person Practice days are ideal since you can watch players on the range and putting green. You can see how and what they practice and what aids they use Volunteering for on course positions. I loved being the walking scorer since you followed a group for 18 holes and heard the caddie/player interactions and understood how they were attacking the course. Better than just attending since you got better perspective on the players shots. I take many lessons from watching television golf, I suppose one of them is confirmation on "trends" by the current best in the world. Small shifts like "the best players in the world are using the interlocking grip" why is that? is it better? does it help release the club better? is it because their right hand (for a right handed golfer) is stronger and works better? " Why are the best golfers in the world gripping down on their clubs? Why are the best players in the world bump and running the ball with their hybrids, or why aren't they? Little things like that that help me ask the questions or I suppose to your point I could search it out on youtube but that is not my thing yet, I usually talk to my peers and coach about those things. My takeaway is that I get to see the best of the best in the sport from around the world, what an opportunity for me to learn. Another small thing I like is how the best in the world play in conditions that we all play in wind, rain, cold etc, not cold so much lol, but even the gear they wear ie, Phil wears rain gloves and most players don't why is that? So I will look into that or think about the "why" behind that. The takeaways are endless for me. I cant just watch to be entertained for some reason except the Masters since I know the course so well, not the green complexes but the course and I find it really interesting how the best in the world today play it compare the best in the world 60 years ago. Just a few things, I know there are a lot more... Josh Parker, Shapotomous, sirchunksalot and 3 others 6 Quote committed to performance excellence Link to comment
alfriday101 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 I had to think about this question for a bit. I realized that I tend to pay more attention to shotmaking and course management when watching the LPGA v PGA. I hit the ball about the same distance as some of the LPGA players. I like seeing how they approach the game: strategy, club selection, etc. I don't have a 200 yard 7 iron, so I have a hard time relating to the PGA distances. Jim Shaw, Dweed, silver & black and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment
Josh Parker Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Major tournaments are more for the entertainment aspect of the game. I don't watch but a few times other than that and I tend to really pay attention to form and movement when I do watch those rounds. I don't care really how "pure" or "correct" the swing is because my swing will never be picture perfect. Plenty of the pros don't match that description but they hit the ball so well and being able to watch the motion has helped me correct some things over the years. sirchunksalot and Jim Shaw 2 Quote Paradym TD Driver w/ Ventus Blue 6S 3W MKII ZX 5's (4-6) w/ KBS Tour V MKII ZX 7's (7-PW) w/ KBS Tour V Vokey Wedges 50* 54* 58* DF2.1 Putter Link to comment
russtopherb Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Watching pros play golf to learn is like watching F1 to learn how to drive a mini van. Shapotomous, sirchunksalot, Javs and 2 others 1 4 Quote In my Big Max hybrid bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Launcher 5h D200 6i-GW CBX 54* & 58* Huntington Beach #10 Tour S Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 It’s about entertainment. But i think there are things that cns gleaned from watching pro golf. Some from the golfers and what type of shot they play into a green, out of rough. Some from the player and caddie interaction that the broadcast shows and some from the former pros or caddies and their analysis and commentary about what the player is probably thinking, how they would approach the situation, etc. Jim Shaw, sirchunksalot and Josh Parker 3 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
GolfSpy_APH Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Entertainment. Pros are on a whole other level that I would be foolish to think I could replicate anything they do. However now even the entertainment aspect is dwindling.. Rather the stories and hopeful suspense of what could be during a tournament. Jim Shaw, russtopherb, sirchunksalot and 1 other 4 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment
Javs Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 We really are limited in what the telecast allows us to view. There is entertainment when two or more players are battling to take home the championship. There are many things that can be learned. Not that we can execute the way they do. However, I love player and caddie interaction. I like seeing how they approach a hole and their course management. I also like watching the magic they have in the short game. To really learn, I would rather go to a tournament live. Watch the work on the range and the practice rounds prior to the tournament. Jim Shaw, sirchunksalot and Shapotomous 3 Quote Play like a champion today! Link to comment
Tom the Golf Nut Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Watching a PGA golf event on TV for me is just for entertainment and to admire the course. Looking at the conditions they get compared to what we get is drool worthy. But if I want to learn something or see how a shot is played I prefer to watch the LPGA. Their game is closer to mine. Jim Shaw, Shapotomous, Dweed and 2 others 5 Quote Driver, TSi 1 S Flex 3 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 7 Wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 Hybrid King Tec MMT R Flex Irons, Tour UST Recoil 95 R Flex (6 - Gap) Wedges, Snakebite KBS Hi- Rev2.0 54* & 60* Agera 35" Ultralight 14-way Cart Bag Link to comment
PickleRick Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Watching a tournament is definitely for entertainment. If I’m watching golf to try and learn something it’s probably YT. sirchunksalot and Jim Shaw 2 Quote TSr3 10° Fujikura speeder 64 TSi2 5W 15° Fujikura speeder 64 TSi3 3H 20° Fujikura Atmos HB 4-GW JPX 850 forged 54°& 58° RTX Zip core iseries steel-105i shafts 2015 Studio stock #2 Link to comment
Big moose Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 I started watching when I started to play the game to try and learn from them. It was hard though because the telecasts back then weren't very good. So I didn't watch that much until the 90s, the telecasts were much better but then I tried doing things they were doing especially with a 60 degree wedge. I had to take it out of the bag because I was doing to many stupid things with it, phil Michelson I am not. Jim Shaw 1 Quote Frank musolino Link to comment
DopTart Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 Option C, to see how much money I'm losing. Javs and Shapotomous 2 Quote Old Cobra Driver TM Stealth Irons Ping PLD Anser 20 Handicap trying to improve. Link to comment
Shapotomous Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 In Jan & Feb I watch to vicariously visit a warm location. Other than that i watch only the majors which I watch for entertainment and to ridicule the announcers when they nearly have a heart attack over a shot from what they deem as a bad lie. I'd love to show them a bad lie that is encountered at the local muni.....maybe a ball in the heel of a sasquatch print in a sand trap that the rules of golf say I must play out of..... Jim Shaw, silver & black and Preeway 2 1 Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Snake Eyes 18* 2h, 23* 4h & 27* 5h; JPX 900 Forged 6 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment
Rob Person Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 80/20 on the entertainment side of things. Like was mentioned, you can learn from more dedicated sources, however I do learn more about the players, the rules, the different styles of swings, equipment, etc from watching tournaments on TV. While I don't have a favorite player, or share a preference of one over another, I do find myself enjoying watching them compete. Occasionally my wife balks at me when they duff a shot and I yell out "hey, they are one of us!" Hehe Jim Shaw 1 Quote WITB-Foremost 551's - 3w, 5w, 5-SW (circa 1998), Top Flite 460cc Driver, Adam's 7w, Warrior GW and 60⁰, Odyssey AI-One DB putter. Just an old newbie golfer, trying to learn and improve 1 club at a time. Link to comment
Preeway Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 While I primarily watch for entertainment, I do pay attention to the choices they make for certain shots to see if I can glen a nugget or two for my own game. These are mostly shots around the green or out of the bunker. Looking to learn why they chose a running pitch instead of more of a lobbed shot. Or how they play 20-30 yard green side bunker shot and do they play a less lofted wedge. Stuff like that mostly. The best was when I had the opportunity to follow Fred Couples for 18 holes at the US Senior Open a couple years ago and really tried to focus on his tempo to see if I could take anything away for my own swing. His swing is absolute butter. Jim Shaw and Javs 2 Quote Driver: Aerojet LS, Ventus Blue Shaft - 6S 4 Wood: Rogue ST Max 16.5, Tensei White Shaft - 7S Utility Iron: Fli Hi 3-iron, HAZARDOUS Smoke Black Shaft - S Irons: JPX 921 Tour 4-P, Project X Shafts - Stiff 125g Wedges: 52º, 56º, 60º Putter: Ai-One 7 T CH, 34" Preferred Ball: Z-Star Diamond Pushcart: Nitron Rangefinder: Tour V5 Shift Link to comment
Jim Shaw Posted November 26, 2023 Author Share Posted November 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, Preeway said: While I primarily watch for entertainment, I do pay attention to the choices they make for certain shots to see if I can glen a nugget or two for my own game. These are mostly shots around the green or out of the bunker. Looking to learn why they chose a running pitch instead of more of a lobbed shot. Or how they play 20-30 yard green side bunker shot and do they play a less lofted wedge. Stuff like that mostly. The best was when I had the opportunity to follow Fred Couples for 18 holes at the US Senior Open a couple years ago and really tried to focus on his tempo to see if I could take anything away for my own swing. His swing is absolute butter. I think it was 1977 or 1978, I played in the British Columbia Amateur at Marine Drive in Vancouver BC. Fred Couples came up from Seattle to play in the tournament, he was by far the longest player in the field and i believe he won it that year. Even back then he had a buttery swing... Preeway 1 Quote committed to performance excellence Link to comment
Wakit300 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I watch PGA, LPGA & DP World Tour tournaments as much as I can. I'm pretty much as addicted to watching as I am to playing. I guess I feel like I can live vicariously through the players, but mainly it comes down to enjoying their skill and sometimes their mistakes as well. Watching someone stuff it to tap in range from 180 or chip it in from a difficult location gives me as much of a thrill as watching TJ Watt sack a QB. The other thing I really enjoy is the competition itself and seeing how players react to the pressure of getting in position to win, especially on Sundays, or just having to make the cut. There's always some drama going on whether good or bad. Jim Shaw 1 Quote Aerojet LS 9° / Brava BGT SE F/4 Stealth FW 5 / TPT 16 MK/MT/SW M3 3/19° Rescue / Fujikura Ventus Red 7-S iCrossover 4 / Fx200H M4 Srixon ZX7 (5-AW) - ProModus3 Tour 120 T20 56° & 60°/ ProModus3 Tour 125 Wedge Royal GRIP V Sand Wrap L.A.B. MEZZ.1 / L.A.B. Tour BX Link to comment
Byrnzee Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Watching golf is mostly entertainment for me. For the same reason I enjoy watching other pro sports, it's fascinating to watch athletes that can do things I cannot. I definitely try to learn a bit too from watching, but it's incredibly difficult to recreate what you see on TV. I try to focus more on how these players manage the courses than how they strike the ball. Alternatively, I believe amateurs can learn a lot more about how a swing should look from watching LPGA events. My dad always told me growing up to watch how easy the women swing and how straight they hit the ball. He would say it's a lot easier to relate to those swings versus the top male athletes swinging at speeds I couldn't dream of. Swood1994 1 Quote Current WITB: Bag: MV2 Golf Bag Driver: G425 Max 9.0º,Ventus Blue Velocore 6S Fairway: TSR2 3 wood 15º,Ventus Red Velocore 7S Driving Iron: U505 2-iron, Graphite Design Tour AD DI-85S Irons: MP-54 (4-P), Project X 6.0S Wedges: 50.09 SB, 54.11 SB, 58.11 SB Putter: Ai-ONE Jailbird Mini DB 35" Ball: Tour X Link to comment
Fairwayguy2 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I watch to see the location, the course and the shot making. Tight competition can add to the drama. Quote Driver: Callaway Big Bertha Fusion 3wood: Titleist 917F 5 wood: Titleist 917F irons Titleist T350 5-pe hybrids Taylormade 4 wedges: Titleist SM8 50/54/58 putter: Scotty Cameron Newport slotback Link to comment
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