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We had an issue with this topic on Saturday.  My wife and I were playing with two guys that are members and usually play in the men's gangsome.  Nice guys.  What we didn't know was that we were the first group off after a 6 group class reunion scramble.  Saturdays are usually slow, but this was reeeeaaaaly slow.  We waited on every shot.  The marshal finally showed up and talked to the group that was two groups in front of us on #7.  Too late.  We called it quits on hole #6, a par 5, when the group in front of us were waiting in the fairway for that group in front of them on the green.  However, they were waiting approximately 180 yards off the tee.  It's a scramble, and that was the best drive???  And they are waiting to hit a 320 yard 2nd shot???

 

We finished #6 because the green is near the clubhouse and drove the cart to the car.  Those 6 holes took 2 hours.  I didn't really care that we quit because I was +6, but my wife was +3, which was the best she has ever shot on those six holes.  We came back later in the afternoon; started over again.  Played nine in 1 hour and 45 minutes, but my wife shot +9; however, since we were playing at a nice pace, I shot +2.  She was pissed.

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I worked a long time in the golf industry. One thing I see severely lacking these days is good Marshalling. Here are some of my suggestions, feel free to add your own.     Guide to Good Marshalling

There is one rule to help avoid slow play, keep up with the group in front of you. Yes there are holes where we look for a ball or 2, but that's no excuse to fall behind. If you keep up with the group

I think the best way to speed up play might be to incentivize it! What if say, the greens fee is $50 on a Sunday but if you finish your round in under 4 hours and turn in you time stamped score card,

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6 hours to play a round on the PGA tour is absurd... I get the fact that these guys are out here doing this for a living so every shot matters but c'mon... 

 

JB Holmes kinda apologized... I suppose.  If it's going to take this long then they need to start the final round earlier.  Would have been nice to see the tourney last week finish on Sunday - even with the playoff. Really think Noren would have won it had it not gone to Monday.  He was in a good rhythm and hitting it well.

 

This is Holmes "apology" - http://www.golfchannel.com/article/golf-central-blog/rosaforte-report-holmes-apologizes-and-defends-self/

 

I suppose we can get a sense of the wind on television but waiting for it to "die down" before you hit a shot is not a good reason to take 4+ minutes...

 

“I didn't realize how long it was taking,” he said. “We (Holmes and caddie Brendan Parsons) were just trying to make the best decision to play.”

In other words, Holmes was waiting for the gusts to die down, so he could take the head cover off a 5-wood he didn't trust, and play a shot to the green. Ultimately, he hit a poor wedge shot and made par to finish fourth.

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Anything over 5 hours is to long. I don't get upset at anything under 5 hours. I cant stand why the speed changes. Your backed up and then you get in a good flow and then it gets backed up again.

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Anything over 5 hours is to long. I don't get upset at anything under 5 hours. I cant stand why the speed changes. Your backed up and then you get in a good flow and then it gets backed up again.

 

I suppose there must be a correlation between your tee time and length of round as well as day of week.

 

It can be tricky - during the week might get caught up with league play, weekend early might get caught up as well.

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Anything over 5 hours is to long. I don't get upset at anything under 5 hours. I cant stand why the speed changes. Your backed up and then you get in a good flow and then it gets backed up again.

I think especially in non tournament rounds you get people telling stories and just generally enjoying themselves as the reason you see some get behind.

 

In tournaments I find looking for golf balls is the main reason or the dreaded walk back to the tee.

 

 

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There comes a point where the ranger just has to say pick up your ball and move on. It also doesn't help here in Jersey it feels like tee times are scheduled 5 minutes apart. Reasons why I joined a club at least I get to play through. For some reason at public courses they seem to get offended with letting people play through

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I worked a long time in the golf industry. One thing I see severely lacking these days is good Marshalling. Here are some of my suggestions, feel free to add your own.

 

 

Guide to Good Marshalling

First and foremost, it starts at the Pro Shop. They need to tell groups what is expected of them: Less than 15 minutes per hole and keep up with the group in front of you.

Marshals should always carry; 4 little flags, extra balls and a tee sheet. When they see an open hole on the golf course, you don't just pull up and say “you're a hole behind, get moving” then pull away. They should say “I noticed a gap in front of you, I'll do my best to help you catch up but if you can't, you'll need to skip a hole”. Then stay with the group and help find errant balls (or give them one out of your basket), rake bunkers and possibly give yardages until they catch up. If they don't catch up, never let the group behind play through, that only slows down everything behind. Simply ask them to skip a hole. Yes, they will probably be offended, but would you rather offend 4 slow players or the 50 behind them that are getting more annoyed by the minute. If they refuse to skip a hole, I like to offer them a certificate for a free round another day. We never honored these certificates on the weekend or holidays when we are busy.

​Side Note, I would tell my Marshals that if they got caught picking up more golf balls then trash, they would be fired. I thought it was working until I found out that they would simply stop at a trash can on the course and put a bunch in their cart.

I play fast but asking to skip a hole lol fun times - I bet your not on their short list for a Christmas card lol

 

 

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I look at many marshalls the same way I look at the range master at my gun club. Power trip of sorts and quick to point out all the wrong doings instead of building positive relations along the way. Of course this is very generalized and taken from my experiences. A little tact goes a long ways. Take the time to educate instead of chastising.

 

A marshall at a course I find deals on loves to eyeball you if a non-member. The times I get discount on are right after 3 foursomes of members. One group all walks. Another all rides. The 3rd is split. We get chastised for taking a few minutes to find a ball when the members in front of us are the ones holding up the whole shabang. Ive really had not resort back to okd anger issues and rip into him.

 

But all in all lotd of great info to keep pace of play. I try to avoid courses or at least certain times on particular courses because life is too short for 6 hour rounds and my blood pressure wont take it.

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I think especially in non tournament rounds you get people telling stories and just generally enjoying themselves as the reason you see some get behind.

 

In tournaments I find looking for golf balls is the main reason or the dreaded walk back to the tee.

 

 

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The dreaded walk back kills me. Players are hugely resistant to hitting a provisional for some reason
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The dreaded walk back kills me. Players are hugely resistant to hitting a provisional for some reason

A provisional is a very under used rule. If the crowds were not big on tour you would see a lot more of it. We encourage it when we play on the weekends. It saves you at least 5 mins and you get essentially a practice swing if your first is playable.

 

 

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A provisional is a very under used rule. If the crowds were not big on tour you would see a lot more of it. We encourage it when we play on the weekends. It saves you at least 5 mins and you get essentially a practice swing if your first is playable.

 

 

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Anytime we think there is a question as to whether a ball is OB we just hit another one. Saves a bunch of time. For the weekend golfer, the provisional rule should be used more, and should be used in a more relaxed definition as well. Our course plays all woods as Red stake. THe only OB is in the back yards of houses. They only come into play a 3 holes. Our sister course has many more opportunities for OB. Just play a provisional and move forward.

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I checked today our tee time splits. Exec courses 10 minutes, Championship courses 8 minutes. We always play in the early mornings and not usually any problems. Afternoons sometimes some problems. The thing we have to remember is the course only moves and the speed of the slowest group. Keep them moving and problems are minimal.

 

Edit; played this morning 3:50 and we have one guy just getting over radiation treatments.

 

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