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40 minutes ago, GB13 said:

12% is huge! That is great!

For those of you that do the protocol outside, does the colder weather effect your swing speed at all? Is the dynamic warmup effective enough that the weather isn't a factor?  I am just curious because a very small change in environmental factor could cause a large change in Swing Speed. 

Thanks!  I'm a little surprised, since I haven't been checking my driver speed over the past 6 weeks.  I've been tempted to measure it each week, but I wanted to wait.  Long way to go!!

I have been doing the protocol outside.  Temps have ranged from 65º to 36º today.  I really didn't notice any differences.  Last week we had a bunch of wind 20-30mph with higher gusts.  I have been doing the protocol in my backyard, sheltered from most of the wind by shrubs, but I had a couple of my slower days then.  

I like the dynamic warmup.  It seems to be an effective routine to stretch out from legs to shoulders in a relatively short period of time.  One day I made a few swings prior to the warmup, and the speed was about 10mph less than I achieved after the warmup.  

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Well, I completed the final session of the SuperSpeed Golf Protocol 1 today.  Lovely day!!  Cloudy and 36º at noon after an overnight low of 26º.   The chart below shows the highest speeds I recorded for each club, both right and left handed, over the 6 weeks of Protocol 1. I didn't gain a lot of speed with each club, and there is not a lot of difference between the different weighted clubs.  Remember, I have the Senior set of SuperSpeed training clubs, which means I have a Yellow club which is lighter than the Green club which is the lightest club in the Men's set.  My heavy club is Blue, which is the middle weight club in the Men's set.  All of these clubs are lighter than my driver.  The Blue club is 27 grams lighter than my driver.
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HOWEVER, at the start of Protocol 1 my driver swing speed was 83 mph measured by the radar unit provided by SuperSpeed Golf.  I measured my driver swing speed in the same manner as I measured the speeds in the above table.  I have not measured my driver swing speed since I started Protocol 1.  After I completed this last session of Protocol 1, I measured my driver swing speed again...  93 mph, a 12% gain.  
Kenny, that is awesome! I was expecting to see good jumps out of our group, but a twelve percent increase, that's incredible.

It's 6 a.m. here and 35 degrees outside and you've got me wanting to go and check mine NOW.

Keep up the good work.

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Kenny - that’s an incredible result!!! Way to go.

You also illustrated a great point, namely that course conditions and weather can greatly influence driving distances.

Check the average driving distances on tour. You will find a 30 yard difference between the John Deer and Valspar. There have been years when no one averaged 300 at Valspar and I don’t recall a year where 5 guys in the field did.

So your driver SS could increase over six weeks but conditions may hide that increase. That’s part of why it’s important to have a SS measuring device.

I’m about to do my first protocol of level 2. Should be funny


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12% is huge! That is great!
For those of you that do the protocol outside, does the colder weather effect your swing speed at all? Is the dynamic warmup effective enough that the weather isn't a factor?  I am just curious because a very small change in environmental factor could cause a large change in Swing Speed. 
So far the biggest factor I've seen with the cooler weather and swing speed is the amount of clothing I wear and how it affects how I turn. Thursday night I did my training and noticed a drop off in speed due to the fact I was wearing a UA Storm hoodie that's more restrictive than I usually wear. It had been rainy that day and it was my best choice for being outside.

Usually, when I play in colder weather I'll use lighter layers that allow me to move better. I'll find out today as I'm going to the range to measure my SS and the high here is only supposed to hit 45.

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First level 2 workout is in the books. This new protocol adds three swings kneeling, dominant and non dominant side with each colored stick in the set.

 

I will be anxious to hear thoughts and results from our other testers. For me it took a few swings to get into the rhythm so I was actually faster with the blue and red sticks than the green. Also I was much slower on the step changes and my last three swings, the drills performed post kneeling, than I have been.

 

A pattern has emerged where I am faster in the afternoon than in the morning but the speed reduction post kneeling today was far greater than that.

 

I had the sessions down to 18 minutes. Today’s took 24. That will get quicker as I become more accustomed to the kneeling swings.

 

 

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First great job U2!

Second, did you compare trackman to the radar? I did my initial SS on both Swingcaddy and the radar. The radar is faster but also far less consistent. I have also compared Swingcaddy to trackman and they were within 1 mph of one another always and often identical. Obviously trackman spits way more data.


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First great job U2!

Second, did you compare trackman to the radar? I did my initial SS on both Swingcaddy and the radar. The radar is faster but also far less consistent. I have also compared Swingcaddy to trackman and they were within 1 mph of one another always and often identical. Obviously trackman spits way more data.


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I did look at a few shots on both. The Swingspeed radar seemed to be higher than the Trackman on every shot. I made sure it wasn't picking up the ball speed as I placed it a few inches behind the ball and angled back at 45 degrees.

The Swingspeed also missed a few shots that the Trackman picked up perfectly. Definitely a big quality difference between the two (as expected).

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I'm wondering about a few things so perhaps you tester guys can answer or offer some thoughts. (I haven't read every single post by everyone) It seems that testers after 6 weeks have increased their SS by some amount. One that stands out is 7% increase by O2 above. How long do you guys honestly think you'll keep doing this regime? 72 weeks? 12 weeks? 30 weeks? How long is really necessary to gain maximum benefits? At some point you'll max out. Today I'm guessing 6-12 weeks and then maintenance thereafter. What's your increase after 6 weeks? Are you seeing increased speed transfer to increased distance on the course? Any at all? None? Some?

I'm interested in the Superspeed Golf product and I might purchase one eventually. I think I might also get the Swing Speed Radar with Tempo Timer built-in. To me it seems the two go hand in hand. Speed and Tempo.

Thanks!

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1 hour ago, PlaidJacket said:

I'm wondering about a few things so perhaps you tester guys can answer or offer some thoughts. (I haven't read every single post by everyone) It seems that testers after 6 weeks have increased their SS by some amount. One that stands out is 7% increase by O2 above. How long do you guys honestly think you'll keep doing this regime? 72 weeks? 12 weeks? 30 weeks? How long is really necessary to gain maximum benefits? At some point you'll max out. Today I'm guessing 6-12 weeks and then maintenance thereafter. What's your increase after 6 weeks? Are you seeing increased speed transfer to increased distance on the course? Any at all? None? Some?

I'm interested in the Superspeed Golf product and I might purchase one eventually. I think I might also get the Swing Speed Radar with Tempo Timer built-in. To me it seems the two go hand in hand. Speed and Tempo.

Thanks!

Great questions.  We're all committed for at least the first 14 weeks of the program to complete our stage 2 reviews.  Right now I plan on going the full 72 weeks assuming no big life changes happen along the way.

From what we've been told the biggest gains come in the first 6 weeks, though we should see improvement into the 3rd level of the program (26 weeks).  After that I believe it's more of a maintenance aspect.

Unfortunately the weather turned cold here right as my swing speed started to jump.  I played in a scramble last weekend when the high temp was 45 degrees, and I was hitting to about the same spots as my rounds in 75+ degree weather before the program.  I was pretty happy with that considering cold weather limits ball flight and I was wearing 3+ layers of clothing.

 

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End of Protocol #1 today.  Snow on the ground here, so I had to travel up to Green Bay to find an area to measure my driver speed.  Although the field at Lambeau was all cleared off, they wouldn't let me in there, but I was able to find an indoor facility not far from there.  Here's how my stats ended up:

Had kind of a 'glitchy' week in week #4, otherwise there seemed to be a steady increase.

Today, my drives were between 96-99, with a high speed of 102 on one of the swings.  So, compared to my beginning speed, that's an increase of a little more than 10%.  According to their own simulator, the longest drive was 247, most of them between 230-240.  Obviously, hard to compare that to an actual on-course measurement.  But, increased swing speed was encouraging, nonetheless. 

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MGS community, our first protocol is over and I thought I would share my thoughts and some data with you all.

I would like to start out by saying that I'm really enjoying the program and have gotten to the point that I look forward to doing the routine every time. It's been challenging trying to fit them in to my work schedule, but I've been able to get them all in without a hitch.

We've almost reached the halfway point before writing up our Stage 2's after week 14. So how's it going, you ask? I've seen some significant jumps in speed doing the training protocol. I hit a high of 114 during week 4 and had a couple of times after that I've hit 112. I can't complain.

20181108_193155.jpg.e40812d8856d8232f7341b41ea61dce6.jpgNow it's time to get down to the actual gains I've seen with my driver. I went to the driving range today, hit 16 shots, and got the total. My average swing speed after six weeks is 90.4 up from 89. That's only a 1.6 percent increase after the first protocol, or 32 percent of the total gains touted by SuperSpeed.

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I have seen some increase, but not what I expected. I was hoping for an average of 92 - 93 mph, but I'm not quite there yet. I'm going to give it two more weeks and see where I'm at so I can properly give it an assessment in my stage 2.

 

I've been seeing that SuperSpeed works looking at my fellow testers with gains between 6 and 10 percent. I don't know where I'm going wrong or why I've seen only a small increase, but I'll keep on keeping on and see where it takes me. This is a long program and I'm excited to see where it will go from here.

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@sitchunksalot - everyone is different so your results will differ from mine and so on and so forth. Our manual tours an average of 5 percent in the first six weeks and I’m going to guess that’s right where we will be as a group once all the results are in. The biggest gain is supposed to be at the 14 week mark with the promise of a bit more after that.

@Plaid - I played Tuesday and measured a large number of drives on Swingcaddy.

Before level one my avg speed on that device was 88 (measured on the range) my ball speed had never gotten over 130. On Tuesday my avg. was over 91 and all measured drives had a ball speed of over 130 with a few approaching 140. Drives were between 225 and 235 (it’s still very wet here). I’m nearly a full club longer with my irons and could reach every hole in regulation from the straight white tees (5 par 4’s over 400 going in differing directions).

Florida is not Texas - we get very little run out here until January or February.

I’m certainly seeing more distance. I’m hoping to get my official driver SS radar number tomorrow. Work has been crazy and I have a huge day - 7 AM to 6 PM but should have a break between church and a teleconference at 230.


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Being a slightly chubby guy with no flexibility, the kneeling drill is a beast. Just saying.

Week seven begins the second stage of SuperSpeed training and I had a good time getting outside on this beautiful autumn day and doing it. Hit highs of 108, 106, and 98 on my dominant side. I got pretty winded today and my last three swings did not reach the pinnacles of speed that is usual.

I'm planning on playing nine later to see if the results line up with yesterday. I know, without a doubt, that I can swing faster. My body is willing, but the mind is stubborn. My last speeds during the ten swing warm-up were 93 and 96 with the heaviest club.

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I was able to hit the course today and play nine. It was a very nice day on a wet course, at least some spots were not too swampy.

I played pretty good, still not seeing ill effects from the training as far as course management and accuracy. My ball striking has improved greatly, I'm going to credit that to SuperSpeed and my Cobra irons (they're awesome). Although, I've also been killing my three wood off the deck.

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I'm still not seeing any speed gains off the tee, I hit a few extra drives because I pretty much had the course to myself. My average over 11 shots was 89 mph, mix that in with the range numbers yesterday and it gives me an average of 89.9 mph. That's a one percent increase from my starting speed.


I agree with Rev, I think as a group we will probably average the five percent increase overall. My fellow testers are just killing it when it comes to gains. I'm feeling like I'm the outlier in the group when it comes to gaining the least. I'm discouraged, but fascinated by the results. I really don't understand why, I can see gains with the sticks but when there's a ball in front of me it all goes downhill. The limiter on my brain just hasn't been overcome, yet. I have faith that it will.

 

 

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All I can say is that it's easier to see a larger % gain in speed when you have a lower starting speed.  😳

I will be beginning Protocol 2 tomorrow.  I thought about doing it today.  My course was closed because it was 24º last night and foggy this morning.  The course didn't open.  Supposed to be warmer tomorrow.

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Wanted to thank all the testers for the information they are providing.  This is a great read for  a product that could benefit everyone.  

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On 11/10/2018 at 2:44 PM, PlaidJacket said:

How long do you guys honestly think you'll keep doing this regime? 72 weeks? 12 weeks? 30 weeks? How long is really necessary to gain maximum benefits? At some point you'll max out.

I plan on doing the full 72 weeks and beyond for a few reasons. First and foremost, the results. My swing speed went from 114.5 to 122-124ish in roughly 6 weeks (Today I did the protocol, then lifted weights and then hit balls 2 hours later---which I've never done. I recorded a personal record single speed of 126+ ) so my results are consistent with others that have seen at least a 5% jump. Secondly, from an workout standpoint this is a full body, symmetrical workout. Granted, it's not going to help your cardio or your overall physique----but as far as functional golf strength goes... how's it possible to do any better than the SS Sticks?! Thirdly, as I'll touch on down below---I feel as if doing the workouts on days that I do not swing is a 'kinda/sorta' decent replacement for hitting actual balls. I feel like I am becoming a better, stronger, faster and *more accurate* golfer every time I use them---especially when the comparison is simply not working out at all (hitting balls, lifting, running, etc.). 

Even after the protocol ends, I will continue to use them---while I might max out as far as not being able to see tangible results over a short-to-intermediate standpoint... If I have the sticks and they've helped me increase my speeds then why not continue using them for maintaining the speed gains I've built (and, as I alluded to in the above paragraph, it's a quality workout and helps my swing!)? When you say 'max out' I think "peak"---which is true to an extent. But you are either moving forward or moving backwards. When I "peak" I tend to "move backwards" slower---thanks to the SS Sticks. 

Now onto a few other things I've noticed over the past few weeks, one tidbit on the accuracy gains I keep talking about and another note on how this translates to other clubs that aren't your driver:

* I track my stats: driving distance, accuracy, approaching (broken down by distance and whether I'm hitting off the fairway, rough, tee box), and putting (putt % from every distance, ditto 3-putt %). Because of this I have a really good baseline for my driving accuracy before and after I started the protocol. I also didn't play my driver in rounds until roughly a month after I started to give me a clean before and after. On a decent 62-swing sample ending in August my results were the following before the protocol: 22% Fairways and 33% Shanks (hooks, slices and tops). Since 9/15 I've had 7 rounds and sent the driver 67 times: 37% Fairway and 40% shank. Sure, I'd love the shank numbers to go down but it is logical that with another 8 MPH of swing speed it would be tougher to control--- but a 77% increase in fairway % is more than enough for me to call the slight increase in horrible shots a pretty big win. 1-in-5 to 1-in-3. Pretty cool. My 3-wood since August is at 34% fairways with 25% shanks (this is what I was primarily hitting off the tee in the month that I bagged the driver)!

* I mentioned the 3-wood above and need to elaborate. Throughout the spring and early hit the driver sporadically (mostly in scrambles when my misses didn't hurt the squad) but really played the 3-wood up until a few weeks ago. Since the protocol, I've flipped those two--- I hit driver pretty much every time even when I shouldn't just because I'm prioritizing working on the driver over scoring for now. I did not have a baseline set of data for the 3-wood like I did for my driver in August so I can't make an apples-to-apples comparison for the speed and distance improvement there but from memory, 105 MPH swing speed and a 260-270 yard shot with the three wood sounds about right from 2ish months ago. I don't recall ever hitting a 3-wood on the simulator beyond 280ish, 285 definitely. Today on the simulator I decided to do a 10-swing sample with the 3-wood just to see where that is at---how much distance did I gain there and do I feel more accurate? 

Original Driver Sample Data (8/8---with additional info not  in my other tables):

Distance Carry Speed Degree Offline
295 282.5 116.5 -0.27
268 237 116.8 4.2
303 291 116.3 -3.2
294 287 115.4 0.2
289 282 116.4 -5.5
298 291 117.1 -3
293 285 114.2 3.2
284 273 115 0.97
299 288 116.4 -1.49
       
291.4 279.6 116.0 0.44
 

(3* offline either left or right is a bad shot, I use that as the accuracy guage. the .4444 at the bottom is 4/9 were on target, that's all.)

Distance Carry Speed Degree Offline
268 263 116 1.7
281 267 114.8 -3.7
289 276 112.9 1
245 240 113.1 2.1
261 254 118.3 -7
291 281 114.06 0
273 265 115.4 -3.3
294 288 116.4 3.3
294 283 114.7 2
       
277.3 268.5 115.1 0.556

3 of my 3-woods, hit today after a full protocol workout and a weight lifting session, went further than my AVERAGE DRIVE of just two months ago. My highest single swing of the either sample was from today's with the 3-wood (118 MPH)! The reason I took the 10-swing sample with the three wood today is because I hit a bunch last night for the first time in a while---and a few went over 300 yards. In two months I've gone from hitting 280 yard drives and 265 yard 3-woods to 310 yard drives and 280 yard 3-woods. 

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Okay I got to the range in between church on my conference. I was unsure of what to expect as two services and a Bible Study are demanding but my all out swing at the end of the dynamic warm up produced this with the red club produced this so I was ready.



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Hit some nine irons and drivers, got the right position with the radar and was ready, 94, 95, 96, 98, 97.

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That’s 96 in my book which is 5 mph over where I started for a solid 5 percent game. All shots produced ball speeds in the high 130’s on SwingCaddy with nice smash factors for an average of 93.4 and 1.47 smash on that device.

That’s the way I used to do it. I’m pretty pumped.

On to the next protocol. First one is in the books for that one, too. While we aren’t doing our Stage 2 review until the New Year I will say these results are impressive. Someone else noted it and I will reiterate that Daisy emphasized that the level of service we are receiving comes with purchasing the sticks. It’s a remarkable value when you think about it.

Like anything worthwhile this is some work. You have to have the discipline to set aside the time to do it three days a week. For those who live in cold climates you need the space and I would say the radar to push yourself.

As a negative example we have a pro on staff who is a mini tour player. He was on the range with me when I first started out seven weeks ago and was getting my first measurements. He heard Swingcaddy shouting out 208, 211, 210 that day.

He had the SuperSpeed sticks and had given up on them. I showed him the 231 on Tuesday - he made me go to the range to prove it was me. I ripped one off, 94 mph SS, 138 ball speed, 218 carry, 239 total (probably more like 245 down wind).

He then asked if I had followed their protocols. I said religiously other than I can’t always do mornings like SuperSpeed suggests.

He said, “I’m going to do it. If I can find 20 yards it’s the Hooters Tour for me.”



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