revkev Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I’m surprised that there’s not or else I’ve missed a thread commenting on the Golf Digest article claiming to have data that suggests we should always leave the flag stick in. This article contradicts findings from MGS and Dave Pelz. Honestly in reading the article I thought there were times where the author reached conclusions that weren’t supported by his data. What he did that I liked was attempt to test proximity to the hole based on in/out. He claimed that this test was inconclusive. I’d have liked to have seen the data. I’d also like to have someone whom I trust - MGS or Pelz do a study with real golfers on flag in or out proximity to the hole on 30 footers. I also wish that the MGS team would comment on that study from Golf Digest. I’m still going flag in but it has caused lots of people who might to refuse to leave it in thus defeating the USGA’s purpose for establishing the rule in the first place. Increased pace of play. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy M. Parsons 1 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy MPR Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Rev: the discussion (including Adam Beach's direct challenge to the professor involved) picked up in an older thread in this post: M. Parsons and revkev 2 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Adam did post a video on Twitter. You'll probably see it to the right towards the bottom of all the ads. They want to bring "Professor" Mays out to the MGS HQ to go over what he tested and how...hands-on style. perseveringgolfer 1 Quote In my BR-D4 6-way King F9 set to 9*, Tour length Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.0 S-flex, with GolfPride MCC +4 mid-size 3W - 13*, UST Mamiya 65 Gold S-flex, with GolfPride Tour Wrap 2G SIM UDI 2-iron - 18*, Mitsubishi Diamana Thump 100 X-flex, with GolfPride MCC Align ZX5 4-5 & ZX7 6-PW, Modus3 120 Tour S-flex, +1/2", with GolfPride Tour Wrap 2G - SM8 Tour Chrome, 50.08F - 54.10S - 58.12D, DG Wedge Flex, with GolfPride Tour Wrap 2G Custom Fit 35" ER6 Red at 68 degree lie angle and 4 degrees of loft MTB-X NX7 Pro Slope Tracked by #WPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSauer Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Adam did comment about the situation and I believed invited Professor Mase to come to the test facility and conduct research together and come to a final conclusion regarding the situation. M. Parsons 1 Quote Driver: Aerojet 9* | Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Fairway: G410 3W 13* | Alta CB 65 Hybrid: TS2 18* | Tensei AV Blue 70 S Hybrid: iCrossover 20* | Kai'li White 80 Irons: P790 5-PW | DG S300 Wedges: Vokey SM9 | 52, 56, 60 | DG S200 Putter: Link.1 | Accra x LAB --- LAB Golf Link.1 Review --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver & black Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I've tried the flag stick in. I prefer to take it out. On very long putts, I think it is beneficial to leave it in for no other reason than knowing where the hole is. Other than that, I honestly see no benefit to leaving it in. poprocksncoke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shankster Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Since I can remember I’ve left the stick in while playing alone. I will say it had never made me miss a putt. Backboarded a few chips and approach shots off it, but never got “pinned” on a putt. Helps with my depth perception too.So this new rule really doesn’t apply to me because I’ve been doing it for years.... SeeMore Putts, M. Parsons and ole gray 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgDaddy Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I've been leaving it in for years when I play alone and now I leave it in almost always. So far this year I have seen dozens of putts that everyone in the group thought the pin helped a particular putt and only one that we thought the pin probably hurt. Some times on an almost gimme range I will putt out without the flag if the person before me has had the flag pulled. I believe it helps. Shankster and M. Parsons 2 Quote Driver - Rogue ST Max Woods - Rogue ST Max 3, 5 & 7 Woods Irons - Rogue ST Max Wedges - Zipcore RTX 6 50° CBX2 54* & 58* Putter - Evnroll ER2 Rangefinder - NX-10 Slope Ball - Pro Tour Drip Bag - Xtreme Cart 7.0 Bag Heather/Red/White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21dylan Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I think leaving the flagstick in is something that you should do based on what look you prefer. Personally I like taking the flagstick out because it makes the hole look bigger but some people say that it gives them a more precise target and they believe in the aim small miss small method. On the contrary I do like leaving it in on long putts to see the hole. M. Parsons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 hour ago, revkev said: This article contradicts findings from MGS and Dave Pelz. Honestly in reading the article I thought there were times where the author reached conclusions that weren’t supported by his data. What he did that I liked was attempt to test proximity to the hole based on in/out. He claimed that this test was inconclusive. I’d have liked to have seen the data. I’d also like to have someone whom I trust - MGS or Pelz do a study with real golfers on flag in or out proximity to the hole on 30 footers. The Molinari study also suggested that the flagstick could be a detriment in certain situations, this isn't the first to suggest that. To me, if I combine all of the various studies, I come to two basic conclusions. For a putt that is going relatively fast, the flagstick is more likely to help than to hurt. Balls that hit the stick might go in, but almost certainly will finish closer to the hole than if they didn't hit the stick. For putts going at the proper speed, there are combinations of location and speed where the flagstick could keep putts from falling. The problem is variability, both for human putters, and for green surfaces, so its nearly impossible to predict exactly where a putt will strike the stick, or at precisely what speed. Foir me, the solution is to leave the flagstick in when there's a reasonable chance that I'll hit the putt too hard (longer putts mostly) and remove it when I'm confident that I can control the speed well. The problem I see with real golfers putting from 30 feet is that there will be really few putts that actually hit the hole. The pros make something like 1 out of 20 or less from that range. Each golfer would have to spend half a day in order to get a dozen or more data points. Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 The Molinari study also suggested that the flagstick could be a detriment in certain situations, this isn't the first to suggest that. To me, if I combine all of the various studies, I come to two basic conclusions. For a putt that is going relatively fast, the flagstick is more likely to help than to hurt. Balls that hit the stick might go in, but almost certainly will finish closer to the hole than if they didn't hit the stick. For putts going at the proper speed, there are combinations of location and speed where the flagstick could keep putts from falling. The problem is variability, both for human putters, and for green surfaces, so its nearly impossible to predict exactly where a putt will strike the stick, or at precisely what speed. Foir me, the solution is to leave the flagstick in when there's a reasonable chance that I'll hit the putt too hard (longer putts mostly) and remove it when I'm confident that I can control the speed well. The problem I see with real golfers putting from 30 feet is that there will be really few putts that actually hit the hole. The pros make something like 1 out of 20 or less from that range. Each golfer would have to spend half a day in order to get a dozen or more data points.I agree with what you have to write but haven’t made myself clear on the 30 footers. I think the optics of the flag in will lead to a closer proximity to the hole not because the ball hits the pin but because the human putter has a better sense of distance. I’d love to see a test done on that.I read the Profs narrative. Based on what he says his data found it’s preposterous to say that the flag out benefits 99 percent of the time or even a majority of the time. I think there are rare occasions where the flag out would benefit - since those are rare and unpredictable I will leave it in. Sorry that I missed Adam’s response - thanks to everyone for providing links. I appreciate reorganizing the threads but it has caused me to loose track of some of them. That’s a me thing not a MGS thing. :)Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy silver & black, DaveP043 and cnosil 3 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, revkev said: I agree with what you have to write but haven’t made myself clear on the 30 footers. I think the optics of the flag in will lead to a closer proximity to the hole not because the ball hits the pin but because the human putter has a better sense of distance. I’d love to see a test done on that. I believe you're right, that the flagstick improves depth perception, and so improves speed control, for a majority of players. I think that advantage will get some attention, due to the attention the flagstick is getting in light of the rule changes, but we've always been able to get that same advantage by having the flag tended. revkev, cnosil and 00sportsman 3 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 Back at Dave - but we're guys, how many of us are ever going to ask another guy for help by having them attend the flag? Next thing you know you're going to be telling me to stop at the gas station to ask for directions. Does anyone remember when Seve used to have the flag attended for 10 footers? 00sportsman, silver & black, Shankster and 3 others 6 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 2 hours ago, TSauer said: Adam did comment about the situation and I believed invited Professor Mase to come to the test facility and conduct research together and come to a final conclusion regarding the situation. WOW! Gauntlet thrown! BOOYAH. 00sportsman and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I wonder how the flagstick in/out debate works for breaking putts? Not sure if that was a part of either study but -- perceptually -- there is a big difference to me between straight putts and left/right breakers. I can see the stick being in/out for straight and shorter putts as negligible but I think it really comes in handy being in for longer breaking putts. I've only played a couple times and I can't say it has helped me make more but what I CAN say it that it has definitely helped with my LAG putting. sirchunksalot 1 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I wonder how the flagstick in/out debate works for breaking putts?.I don’t think it would matter. At the hole a ball is rolling end over end and approaching a hole that is 4.25” wide with a flagstick. In the middle and at a particular speed. The question will primarily center around a ball that does. Not hit the center of the flagstick and how much energy is transferred back to the ball to push it out of the hole. I can simulate all the conditions with a straight putt Kenny B and MattF 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, cnosil said: I don’t think it would matter. At the hole a ball is rolling end over end and approaching a hole that is 4.25” wide with a flagstick. In the middle and at a particular speed. The question will primarily center around a ball that does. Not hit the center of the flagstick and how much energy is transferred back to the ball to push it out of the hole. I can simulate all the conditions with a straight putt Yep... I understand the physics of it. A ball going into a hole with a vertical object protruding out of it is the same no matter what the angle of the hole is. My comment was more from an "aiming/alignment" perspective....will golfers find it easier to read the break with the stick in or out? Personally, I think the pin in for long breaking putts makes it easier to read. There are 2 parts to the discussion - the first part is as you mentioned - the ball physically rolling into the hole at certain speeds and the second part is more theoretical - does it help golfers start their ball on the proper line with the correct speed? I realize it's nearly impossible to test the second part but I think perceptually that does play an important role. revkev, cnosil, MattF and 1 other 4 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perseveringgolfer Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I'm leaving it in- it just works! Maybe pull it for a 2 footer that has the potential to ricochet if hit too hard, apart from that it's in and we get faster rounds to boot! Quote Driver Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs) 4 Wood Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+ Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex Hybrid Titleist 910H 19* Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S' Irons Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S' Wedges Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54* KBS Tour in 'R' Putter 'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said: Personally, I think the pin in for long breaking putts makes it easier to read. I can see two sides to this. I believe that the flagstick can aid depth perception, and that's one component of green-reading, so that's a positive. But if the cup wasn't installed quite plumb, or the flag isn't quite replaced correctly, you might be looking at a crooked flagstick, which could lead to mis-reading putts. I use Aimpoint, so I'm not really looking at anything to make my reads. Eyes can be influenced by a lot of things, including background slopes, and I have to believe that can include a slightly crooked flagstick. MattF and StrokerAce 2 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, DaveP043 said: I can see two sides to this. I believe that the flagstick can aid depth perception, and that's one component of green-reading, so that's a positive. But if the cup wasn't installed quite plumb, or the flag isn't quite replaced correctly, you might be looking at a crooked flagstick, which could lead to mis-reading putts. I use Aimpoint, so I'm not really looking at anything to make my reads. Eyes can be influenced by a lot of things, including background slopes, and I have to believe that can include a slightly crooked flagstick. TRUE! Especially when the wind is blowing 30+ mph and flag stick is flopping all over the place like when I played in TX. M. Parsons, MattF and sirchunksalot 3 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 @Dave and Stroker True that's why I always check to make sure the flag is securely in the hole when I'm putting or chipping with it in. And if the wind is blowing that hard all bets are off - I should have to ask to have it tended but being a guy I'll just take it out then because no way I'm asking for help (as I wrote in an earlier post.) DaveP043, silver & black, MattF and 1 other 4 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Parsons Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 TRUE! Especially when the wind is blowing 30+ mph and flag stick is flopping all over the place like when I played in TX. Unless the break of the put goes with the lean of the stick (right to left in your picture), then you have more room for the ball to drop.Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy sirchunksalot and tony@CIC 2 Quote In my BR-D4 6-way King F9 set to 9*, Tour length Hzrdus Smoke Black 6.0 S-flex, with GolfPride MCC +4 mid-size 3W - 13*, UST Mamiya 65 Gold S-flex, with GolfPride Tour Wrap 2G SIM UDI 2-iron - 18*, Mitsubishi Diamana Thump 100 X-flex, with GolfPride MCC Align ZX5 4-5 & ZX7 6-PW, Modus3 120 Tour S-flex, +1/2", with GolfPride Tour Wrap 2G - SM8 Tour Chrome, 50.08F - 54.10S - 58.12D, DG Wedge Flex, with GolfPride Tour Wrap 2G Custom Fit 35" ER6 Red at 68 degree lie angle and 4 degrees of loft MTB-X NX7 Pro Slope Tracked by #WPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, M. Parsons said: Unless the break of the put goes with the lean of the stick (right to left in your picture), then you have more room for the ball to drop. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Haha...this is true! This course was near Mcallen TX and when the wind blows there nothing gets in its way... I've never "played the wind" on a putt before but learned to pretty quickly. tony@CIC 1 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 4 hours ago, GolfSpy Stroker said: There are 2 parts to the discussion - the first part is as you mentioned - the ball physically rolling into the hole at certain speeds and the second part is more theoretical - does it help golfers start their ball on the proper line with the correct speed? From an aiming perspective I am in the camp of it helps,. But we have always been able to aim when the flag was in the hole it just had to be tended. I think it helps since I am able to look at something at eye level verses a hole in the ground. tony@CIC, silver & black and MattF 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 9 hours ago, Shankster said: Since I can remember I’ve left the stick in while playing alone. I will say it had never made me miss a putt. Backboarded a few chips and approach shots off it, but never got “pinned” on a putt. Helps with my depth perception too. So this new rule really doesn’t apply to me because I’ve been doing it for years.... Heck us old farts have been leaving it in since 1962 plus we don't like bending over to pick the damn thing up! sirchunksalot, DawgDaddy, silver & black and 3 others 5 1 Quote Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, ole gray said: Heck us old farts have been leaving it in since 1962 plus we don't like bending over to pick the damn thing up! Which leads to one more disadvantage of leaving the stick in -- the ball's harder to get out and for those of you using the suction cup on the putter grip, it's impossible....hahahaha silver & black, sirchunksalot, ole gray and 3 others 5 1 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ole gray Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Just now, CarlH said: Which leads to one more disadvantage of leaving the stick in -- the ball's harder to get out and for those of you using the suction cup on the putter grip, it's impossible....hahahaha Bingo! CarlH and DawgDaddy 1 1 Quote Ping G430 Max Driver 10.5 Degree Titleist TSR1 4, 5, & 6 Hybrids Titleist T350 Irons 7 - W48 Cleveland CBX ZipCore 52 56 & 60 Degree Wedges LAB Mezz Max Broomstick Putter / TPT Shaft (Platinum @ 45/78) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Which leads to one more disadvantage of leaving the stick in -- the ball's harder to get out and for those of you using the suction cup on the putter grip, it's impossible....hahahahathats why we invented gimmesSent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy M. Parsons, ole gray, MattF and 1 other 2 2 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 31 minutes ago, tony@CIC said: thats why we invented gimmes Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Gimmies: the rule invented by guys that can't putt! silver & black, ole gray, MattF and 1 other 3 1 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max (10.5* set at -1 and neutral) -- Mitsubishi Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Fairway: Rogue ST Max 3 wood (16.5*) and Heaven Wood (20*)-- Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Hybrids: Rogue ST Max 5H (23*)--Tensai Blue 55g R shaft Irons: Apex CF19 6-9, PW, AW -- KBS Tour Graphite TGI 70 shafts R +1/2 inch 3* upright Wedges: Edison 53* and 57* KBS PGI 80 Graphite +1/2 inch 2* upright Putter: L.A.B. DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft Ball: Maxfli TourX...Golf Bag: Pioneer...Shoes: Hyperflex... Glove: Red Rooster Feather My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchunksalot Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 TRUE! Especially when the wind is blowing 30+ mph and flag stick is flopping all over the place like when I played in TX. I play quite a few solo rounds, so I have a tendency to leave the flag in to speed up play. I've never had it negatively affect my putting until yesterday, and I learned a valuable lesson. If the wind is blowing hard and I see the flag is leaning, I think I'll remove it from the hole.Otherwise, I'll keep putting with it in.Also, kudos to Adam for offering the professor travel expenses and a room to go to headquarters to put his theory to the test. I hope it happens and I would absolutely love to read their findings.Sent from my SM-G955U using MyGolfSpy mobile app M. Parsons, MattF, cnosil and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 37 minutes ago, sirchunksalot said: I play quite a few solo rounds, so I have a tendency to leave the flag in to speed up play. I've never had it negatively affect my putting until yesterday, and I learned a valuable lesson. If the wind is blowing hard and I see the flag is leaning, I think I'll remove it from the hole. None of the ball was below the surface of the green? tony@CIC 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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