Tsecor Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 The blog post on the new chromesoft was great. It became a little confusing as the article went on, but the takeaway seems to be a win for the consumer. I loved using the chromesoft 2 years ago and hopefully the QC issues are corrected. when do we get to see some testing? What are everyone's thoughts on the new lineup? Quote Golf is cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Have never liked a Callaway ball and won’t be giving the new ones a go. Titleist and Bridgestone have full control over their ball making. Titleist always gets first crack at being my ball. Bridgestone b330 line was great and the tour line has been so so for me. TP5 has been a better performer as well for me. Its nice to see Callaway putting money into fixing their issues after the ball study and the #finditcutit but overall. Its also interesting they have increased the compression in the previous csx triple track but passed it off as the same as the csx and now they are increasing compression either using the compression of triple track or more. I’m not a fan of their gear so I’ll be passing on anything they put out. null, JohnSmalls, tony@CIC and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Two things that really stick out to me is the number of people who preferred cs over csx and the percentage of pros they expect to play to the retail ball. From an advertising perspective Bridgestone can claim their pros like tiger are playing retail ball. I believe most of their staff uses retail ball plus now they can include tiger helped design the current ball. Titleist can say 85% of their staff play retail ball. Only having 60% of your staff playing the retail ball could lead to more of the id it’s not good enough for the pros why would I pay almost the same price as prov or the same price as bridgetone and TaylorMade or more than Srixon for this ball? fixyurdivot and mplefty 2 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perseveringgolfer Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Have Callaway fixed the off centre cores and other issues or is it just marketing for their new ball? I liked the Chromesoft, but after some performance issues on the course (i.e a banana slice from nowhere and I dont banana slice anything) I stopped using, but would like to go back and try them if they are stating they have sorted the issues MGS proved. Quote Driver Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs) 4 Wood Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+ Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex Hybrid Titleist 910H 19* Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S' Irons Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S' Wedges Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54* KBS Tour in 'R' Putter 'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, perseveringgolfer said: Have Callaway fixed the off centre cores and other issues or is it just marketing for their new ball? I liked the Chromesoft, but after some performance issues on the course (i.e a banana slice from nowhere and I dont banana slice anything) I stopped using, but would like to go back and try them if they are stating they have sorted the issues MGS proved. It's literally all in the blog post Golfspy_CG2, Slater, RickyBobby_PR and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 27 minutes ago, jlukes said: It's literally all in the blog post Not to mentioned reported and Callaway iirc put out a “press release” last year they were spending $50million in the ball plant Tsecor 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perseveringgolfer Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 23 hours ago, jlukes said: It's literally all in the blog post thanks for pointing that out, must have scanned to fast as I'm busy. I've now taken the time to read it entirely and it does answer my 'rushed' question. I'll be sure to check in future before asking about something that's easily read if I had the time. Quote Driver Awaiting NEW Driver (after 10 yrs) 4 Wood Callaway Big Bertha Steelhead plus 4+ Callaway shaft in 'Firm' flex Hybrid Titleist 910H 19* Diamana ahina 'flower' shaft in 'S' Irons Mizuno MP18SC 4-PW N.S Pro Modus3 Tour 105 in 'S' Wedges Callaway Mack Daddy forged in black 50* and 54* KBS Tour in 'R' Putter 'YES' Tracy 11 C groove 34.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kor.A.Door Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 On 1/21/2020 at 9:09 AM, RickyBobby_PR said: Have never liked a Callaway ball and won’t be giving the new ones a go. Titleist and Bridgestone have full control over their ball making. Titleist always gets first crack at being my ball. Bridgestone b330 line was great and the tour line has been so so for me. TP5 has been a better performer as well for me. Its nice to see Callaway putting money into fixing their issues after the ball study and the #finditcutit but overall. Its also interesting they have increased the compression in the previous csx triple track but passed it off as the same as the csx and now they are increasing compression either using the compression of triple track or more. I’m not a fan of their gear so I’ll be passing on anything they put out. This is great. This is exactly how I feel about Titleist. I’ve been playin Chrome softs since they came out. Tried the Bridgestone last season, it is a good ball. Just for whatever reason Truvis black and yellow seem to work for me, and I and just stick in with it. fixyurdivot 1 Quote Lefties are always in their Right Mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 On 1/21/2020 at 8:35 AM, RickyBobby_PR said: Two things that really stick out to me is the number of people who preferred cs over csx and the percentage of pros they expect to play to the retail ball. From an advertising perspective Bridgestone can claim their pros like tiger are playing retail ball. I believe most of their staff uses retail ball plus now they can include tiger helped design the current ball. Titleist can say 85% of their staff play retail ball. Only having 60% of your staff playing the retail ball could lead to more of the id it’s not good enough for the pros why would I pay almost the same price as prov or the same price as bridgetone and TaylorMade or more than Srixon for this ball? I didn't realize such a large percentage of tour players were using retail balls (of most mfgs.). That is a huge marketing point IMO. My experience with CS has been good though I don't buy them. I love the blurred out "top secret" segments in their how the sausage is made video. https://www.callawaygolf.com/videos/product/golf-balls/#play-balls-product-videos-chrome-soft-flowmotion Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: I didn't realize such a large percentage of tour players were using retail balls (of most mfgs.). That is a huge marketing point IMO. My experience with CS has been good though I don't buy them. I love the blurred out "top secret" segments in their how the sausage is made video. https://www.callawaygolf.com/videos/product/golf-balls/#play-balls-product-videos-chrome-soft-flowmotion From what I’ve been told all the pros under contract to Srixon ball use the retail version and there’s no additional tour ball only. I haven’t looked at the USGA conforming list to check if there are other balls out there. reading the stuff on Bridgestone’s website about the new ball lineup it seems like all their staff uses each of the retail version as well. Im not sure on TaylorMade and haven’t looked at USGA list for their balls either but hey have a relatively small staff and outside of tiger I believe everyone else is using their ball but rose and Sergio both had their own ball at one point. Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 My feelings are still hurt with the integrity issues at Callaway for the chrome soft. I won't be patronizing them. tony@CIC and Miboy62 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsecor Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 For whatever reason, the TP5X always flew differently for me...in a bad way.....i used to use the Lethal which i thought was a great ball and the TP5 works well but the "X"......yuuucck.....not sure TM has any QC on that ball..lol But the times i used chromesoft, it worked well. Maybe I got a good batch....and ill try the new ones, but maily i stick with the companies that supply their pros with the same ball as we can buy.....Srixon, Bridgestone and Titleist (because of their QC) Quote Golf is cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoganman1 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Sorry, but I was "out to lunch" when the QC information on the Chrome Soft was released. Can someone let me know what problems were outlined?I tried a dozen last Summer and didn't like it at all. Maybe I got a bad batch. I do sometimes play the SuperSoft when it's below 55*, but generally play Titleist balls. Quote Drive for Show; Putt for Dough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Sorry, but I was "out to lunch" when the QC information on the Chrome Soft was released. Can someone let me know what problems were outlined?I tried a dozen last Summer and didn't like it at all. Maybe I got a bad batch. I do sometimes play the SuperSoft when it's below 55*, but generally play Titleist balls.Cores were not consistently centered. Lots of info on the forum if you look. Or search for finditcutit. RickyBobby_PR and JohnSmalls 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigleyd Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 The new CS and CSX will be completely different from previous balls.The new CSX will be over 100 compression. That is not what I would call soft. There are only 4 companies that control their ball manufacturing from beginning to end. Titleist, Bridgestone, Srixon, and now Callaway. I think the core issue will be non issue moving forward. I am not saying you should jump on board. But, I think the quality issues are fixed. That being said, I am most excited for the new B stone ball. Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple diamond 10.5 Ventus black TR 6x 3 wood ; Callaway Paradym triple diamond 15 degree, Ventus black TR 7x Apex UW 19 degree, Ventus black TR 8x Utility Iron: Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility, Ventus blue HB 90X Irons: Callaway Apex MB 5-PW, KBS $ taper 130x Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw 50, 54, 58, KBS $ taper 130x Putter: Wilson Staff TM22, hand torched, KBS cutter putter shaft, Super stroke Pistol GT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 35 minutes ago, Quigleyd said: The new CS and CSX will be completely different from previous balls.The new CSX will be over 100 compression. That is not what I would call soft. There are only 4 companies that control their ball manufacturing from beginning to end. Titleist, Bridgestone, Srixon, and now Callaway. I think the core issue will be non issue moving forward. I am not saying you should jump on board. But, I think the quality issues are fixed. That being said, I am most excited for the new B stone ball. Did Callaway start making their own cores now? I thought that was all still being done overseas and shipped to their ball plant Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigleyd Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 minute ago, RickyBobby_PR said: Did Callaway start making their own cores now? I thought that was all still being done overseas and shipped to their ball plant With the build of their new ball plant. It will be 100% in house. Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple diamond 10.5 Ventus black TR 6x 3 wood ; Callaway Paradym triple diamond 15 degree, Ventus black TR 7x Apex UW 19 degree, Ventus black TR 8x Utility Iron: Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility, Ventus blue HB 90X Irons: Callaway Apex MB 5-PW, KBS $ taper 130x Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw 50, 54, 58, KBS $ taper 130x Putter: Wilson Staff TM22, hand torched, KBS cutter putter shaft, Super stroke Pistol GT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, Quigleyd said: With the build of their new ball plant. It will be 100% in house. Thanks. Was that in the mgs article on the 2020 chromosome ball or another article on Callaway or somewhere else? Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigleyd Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: Thanks. Was that in the mgs article on the 2020 chromosome ball or another article on Callaway or somewhere else? Somewhere else. It could have been bad info, but that is what I was told. they are going all in this year. They want to take market share from Titleist really bad. RickyBobby_PR 1 Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple diamond 10.5 Ventus black TR 6x 3 wood ; Callaway Paradym triple diamond 15 degree, Ventus black TR 7x Apex UW 19 degree, Ventus black TR 8x Utility Iron: Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility, Ventus blue HB 90X Irons: Callaway Apex MB 5-PW, KBS $ taper 130x Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw 50, 54, 58, KBS $ taper 130x Putter: Wilson Staff TM22, hand torched, KBS cutter putter shaft, Super stroke Pistol GT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigleyd Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I am getting word that Callaway is struggling to produce the new CSX ball. They are probably going to be difficult to find for a while even after they are finally released. Apparently it is very difficult to produce the new dual mantel layer is really hard to make. No issues with the standard chrome soft but the X is proving difficult. Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple diamond 10.5 Ventus black TR 6x 3 wood ; Callaway Paradym triple diamond 15 degree, Ventus black TR 7x Apex UW 19 degree, Ventus black TR 8x Utility Iron: Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility, Ventus blue HB 90X Irons: Callaway Apex MB 5-PW, KBS $ taper 130x Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw 50, 54, 58, KBS $ taper 130x Putter: Wilson Staff TM22, hand torched, KBS cutter putter shaft, Super stroke Pistol GT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Quigleyd said: I am getting word that Callaway is struggling to produce the new CSX ball. They are probably going to be difficult to find for a while even after they are finally released. Apparently it is very difficult to produce the new dual mantel layer is really hard to make. No issues with the standard chrome soft but the X is proving difficult. I heard similar and that qc issues with the ball are pretty serious Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigleyd Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 That’s what I am hearing. That it is really hard to make the new X and they don’t have it down yet. So they are not going to release it till it’s right because the know my golf spy is going to be cutting them up. ballplayer002003, heribertomaya and RickyBobby_PR 3 Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple diamond 10.5 Ventus black TR 6x 3 wood ; Callaway Paradym triple diamond 15 degree, Ventus black TR 7x Apex UW 19 degree, Ventus black TR 8x Utility Iron: Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility, Ventus blue HB 90X Irons: Callaway Apex MB 5-PW, KBS $ taper 130x Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw 50, 54, 58, KBS $ taper 130x Putter: Wilson Staff TM22, hand torched, KBS cutter putter shaft, Super stroke Pistol GT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Quigleyd said: That’s what I am hearing. That it is really hard to make the new X and they don’t have it down yet. So they are not going to release it till it’s right because the know my golf spy is going to be cutting them up. What I’m curious about is Molinari and Phil were playing the new retail csx last month. Wonder if it’s once they start pumping out thousands at a time is when the problems occur Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigleyd Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: What I’m curious about is Molinari and Phil were playing the new retail csx last month. Wonder if it’s once they start pumping out thousands at a time is when the problems occur They are having production issues on the mass level. It seems they can make enough to keep your guys supplied. RickyBobby_PR 1 Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple diamond 10.5 Ventus black TR 6x 3 wood ; Callaway Paradym triple diamond 15 degree, Ventus black TR 7x Apex UW 19 degree, Ventus black TR 8x Utility Iron: Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility, Ventus blue HB 90X Irons: Callaway Apex MB 5-PW, KBS $ taper 130x Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw 50, 54, 58, KBS $ taper 130x Putter: Wilson Staff TM22, hand torched, KBS cutter putter shaft, Super stroke Pistol GT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Quigleyd said: They are having production issues on the mass level. It seems they can make enough to keep your guys supplied. And my guess (just a guess) is that they can do more thorough QC on the balls they're sending out to their guys on staff. I wonder if Spalding/Hogan had these issues when the Chicopee plant was theirs. I still miss the old Strata Tour Ace with playing card suits instead of numbers (like the old Penfold balls from the James Bond books). Berg Ryman 1 Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, HardcoreLooper said: And my guess (just a guess) is that they can do more thorough QC on the balls they're sending out to their guys on staff. I wonder if Spalding/Hogan had these issues when the Chicopee plant was theirs. I still miss the old Strata Tour Ace with playing card suits instead of numbers (like the old Penfold balls from the James Bond books). The other interesting aspects are the money they were supposed to be investing in the plant plus qc process and now these issues and the other is they are supposed to be making the codes there now instead of getting them made and shipped from overseas. Lots of moving parts not playing well together wonder how this affects sales later in the year HardcoreLooper 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Ryman Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 31 minutes ago, HardcoreLooper said: I still miss the old Strata Tour Ace with playing card suits instead of numbers (like the old Penfold balls from the James Bond books). One of my two balls in high school... love that ball. Also, I can't believe you throw all that money at the ball plant and still can't get it right. HardcoreLooper and yungkory 2 Quote In a Hoofer Lite bag TSR2, 10 degrees, A1 setting, Fujikara Speeder NX Blue 50-S Stealth, 15 degrees, VA Composites Nemesys 70-S E722, 19 degrees, Oban Devotion 80-S JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro 4-P, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex CBX Zipcore 50* (bent to *49) and RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 54* (bent to *55), DG 115 Spinner, Tour Issue Staff Model TG 60*, Dynamic Gold 120 S300 SIK Golf Flo-C Tour B-XS (2022 Model) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigleyd Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 11 hours ago, Berg Ryman said: One of my two balls in high school... love that ball. Also, I can't believe you throw all that money at the ball plant and still can't get it right. I am not sure that is completely fair. it takes a bit to get things up and running. Plus it is just just the CSX. Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple diamond 10.5 Ventus black TR 6x 3 wood ; Callaway Paradym triple diamond 15 degree, Ventus black TR 7x Apex UW 19 degree, Ventus black TR 8x Utility Iron: Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility, Ventus blue HB 90X Irons: Callaway Apex MB 5-PW, KBS $ taper 130x Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw 50, 54, 58, KBS $ taper 130x Putter: Wilson Staff TM22, hand torched, KBS cutter putter shaft, Super stroke Pistol GT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Ryman Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Quigleyd said: I am not sure that is completely fair. it takes a bit to get things up and running. Plus it is just just the CSX. Quigley, let me ask a hypothetical question here. Say you made two products which were supposed to top of the line products and they were found to be substandard. You invest an oodle of time and capital in making those products up to the level they need to be. After making that investment there still appears to be a problem with one of your two products, or 50 percent of your products. Don't you think it's fair to say that's a disastrous outcome? heribertomaya 1 Quote In a Hoofer Lite bag TSR2, 10 degrees, A1 setting, Fujikara Speeder NX Blue 50-S Stealth, 15 degrees, VA Composites Nemesys 70-S E722, 19 degrees, Oban Devotion 80-S JPX 921 Hot Metal Pro 4-P, Nippon 950GH Stiff Flex CBX Zipcore 50* (bent to *49) and RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 54* (bent to *55), DG 115 Spinner, Tour Issue Staff Model TG 60*, Dynamic Gold 120 S300 SIK Golf Flo-C Tour B-XS (2022 Model) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigleyd Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 30 minutes ago, Berg Ryman said: Quigley, let me ask a hypothetical question here. Say you made two products which were supposed to top of the line products and they were found to be substandard. You invest an oodle of time and capital in making those products up to the level they need to be. After making that investment there still appears to be a problem with one of your two products, or 50 percent of your products. Don't you think it's fair to say that's a disastrous outcome? I what you are saying is fair. I think this situation is a bit different though. Nothing has been released. They are catching the issue ahead of time and working to have it correct before launching it. That sounds like quality control over pushing a substandard product to me. My question to you is, would you rather them be late to market but have it right? Or push out a product that has potential issues still? Think Kirkland new ball. RickyBobby_PR 1 Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple diamond 10.5 Ventus black TR 6x 3 wood ; Callaway Paradym triple diamond 15 degree, Ventus black TR 7x Apex UW 19 degree, Ventus black TR 8x Utility Iron: Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility, Ventus blue HB 90X Irons: Callaway Apex MB 5-PW, KBS $ taper 130x Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw 50, 54, 58, KBS $ taper 130x Putter: Wilson Staff TM22, hand torched, KBS cutter putter shaft, Super stroke Pistol GT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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