Evnroll HQ Fitting Experience

[dlow206]

TodayI had the opportunity to go to the Envroll HQ in Carlsbad for an in-person fitting. Below is details about my fitting.

I arrived at Evnroll HQ at 9 am for the appointment I had previously scheduled via email. I was greeted by Alan who was going to be my fitter. He gave me an intro to Envoll and asked me a few questions about my putting tendencies and then I was given the choice to do a roll board fitting or a Quintic fitting. The roll board fitting is free with the purchase of an Evnroll putter, whereas the Quintic fitting was $100. I chose the Quintic fitting because I like to look at numbers and was curious to learn more about my putting stroke.

After warming up with my current gamer, I hit 5 putts on the Quintic with the gamer to get a baseline. My current gamer is an Odyssey Sabertooth from 2008. The Quintic showed that I tended to hit putts with an open face, hence my tendency to push putts. I also had too much backspin as well.

After getting a baseline, Alan asked me more about preferences in putters, blade vs. mallet, look that I prefer, etc. While I have typically played a mallet, I wanted to try a variety of styles, to see what would give me the best numbers and best results. First up was the ER2 blade. That didn't workout well, was pushing almost all of the putts. Next up was the ER 1.2 blade, and same issue, pushing the putts. After that was the ER5 hatchback, which gave pretty good numbers. Last was the new ER10 hatchback. It was smaller and nicer looking in-person that in pictures I have seen in the past. This gave me the best results and numbers and was the one I chose.

After making my selection, we took a tour of the factory and I got to see where they put together the putters. That was a really cool experience. Then Alan picked out a ER10 from the factory and brought it back to the fitting studio. He put on my preferred grip and then we measured the swingweight. It was about E1 with the 385 gram head and the lightest grip that Evnroll offers. It was awesome that Evnroll could get the putter to E1 for a 32" putter.

Next, I took the finished putter back to the Quintic and rolled some more putts. After looking at the numbers, Alan decided that my putter should be bent 2 degrees flat. He adjusted the putter and then I rolled some more putts and got the best results of the day. He had also made some suggestions on some small things to change with my putting stroke. One thing that I found is that making some small changes did improve my numbers on Quintic, but I was also missing putts. When I used my normal putting stroke with the ER10, I was making more of the 15 to 20 foot putts during the fitting.

Lastly, after wrapping up and paying, I went out to the parking lot to head out. In the parking lot, I ran into Guerin and I introduced myself and had a quick chat. Overall, this was an awesome experience and I can't wait to game the ER10 Outback.

[GolfSpy MPR]

Really enjoyed the writeup here. Definitely keep checking in here and post updates about how you're getting on with your new flatstick. Personally, I'm intrigued by the Outback head, as I've gotten on well with Odyssey 7-style heads before.

[dlow206]

3 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

Really enjoyed the writeup here. Definitely keep checking in here and post updates about how you're getting on with your new flatstick. Personally, I'm intrigued by the Outback head, as I've gotten on well with Odyssey 7-style heads before.

Thanks, will definitely provide updates. I will be playing on Thursday this week, so will let everyone knows how it goes. I am relatively a beginner, so I don't have a good set of baseline stats on my putting, but I know I three putt frequently and also miss putts inside of 10 feet when its for a par.

I was pleased that Evnroll was able to get the putter to a good swingweight for a 32" putter. I am short in height (5'5") and have always felt that a 33" putter was too long, but I also like a putter that feels heavy. 

[ballplayer002003]

That sounds like a really cool experience!  Nice Job

[yungkory]

Sick!!!! Enjoy rolling that thing

[Quigleyd]

That is really awesome. How did this come about? Where you just in the area? Did you go specifically to do this fitting? 

[dlow206]

6 hours ago, Quigleyd said:

That is really awesome. How did this come about? Where you just in the area? Did you go specifically to do this fitting? 

Had a family vacation planned at Legoland, which is in Carlsbad. Knowing I was going to be in Carlsbad, I had decided to setup the fitting.

[Quigleyd]

13 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Had a family vacation planned at Legoland, which is in Carlsbad. Knowing I was going to be in Carlsbad, I had decided to setup the fitting.

Cool. Lego land is a good time. 

[dlow206]

One thing I didn't talk about in detail was about the Quintic system. The Quintic analyzes a number of different measures. The key categories being:

• Face angle at impact
• Lie angle at impact
• Shaft angle
• Attack angle
• Club twist
• Spin and roll

Each of the measures are scored based on a range and a color is assigned: red, yellow, green, blue (with blue being best). I was surprised that I was generally in the green and blue for club twist, which indirectly measures center impact. Also, no matter which putter I used, I had an open face angle at impact. However, the face balanced putters reduced the open face angle to the point where my score was green or close to green. 

The other interesting thing coming out of the Quintic was that even if I was red in face angle, i could still make a 15 to 20 foot putt dead center of the hole because of how I am compensating for the open face. Longer term, I am going to work on my putting stroke, but the question in my mind is how much to try to optimize for numbers vs. results. 

https://www.quintic.com/downloads/Quintic Ball Roll - Numbers Explained.pdf

[dlow206]

I have a lesson today followed by a playing lesson, so I will be sure to take some pics of the putter, and also give an initial review.

[cnosil]

Er10 is a nice putter. Tried one at MGS headquarters a couple of days ago. and it has nice balance and didn’t feel like a 370gr head. My only complaint would be that it seems a little slower off the face than other Evnroll models. I had good grouping, just a tad bit short.

[HardcoreLooper]

Great writeup!  Keep providing info on your results with the ER10.  I'm very interested in it.

[cnosil]

1 hour ago, HardcoreLooper said:

Great writeup!  Keep providing info on your results with the ER10.  I'm very interested in it.

You should drive down for a visit to the MGS Headquarters.  They have a couple of them;  one with the regular grip and one with the gravity grip. 

[dlow206]

On 12/19/2019 at 8:47 AM, dlow206 said:

I have a lesson today followed by a playing lesson, so I will be sure to take some pics of the putter, and also give an initial review.

During my playing lesson, I ended up focusing a lot on other shots so didn't have a chance to putt much. Will get pics and provide an update after the holidays.

[HardcoreLooper]

1 hour ago, cnosil said:

You should drive down for a visit to the MGS Headquarters.  They have a couple of them;  one with the regular grip and one with the gravity grip. 

How do the MGS guys feel about drop-ins?  Now that my daughter's in school in Williamsburg, I have plenty of reasons to be there.  But I don't want to bug people when they're at work.

[cnosil]

4 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said:

How do the MGS guys feel about drop-ins?  Now that my daughter's in school in Williamsburg, I have plenty of reasons to be there.  But I don't want to bug people when they're at work.

They will tell you that they have an open door policy.  Several people from the forum have dropped in with no issue.  Once Most Wanted testing gets into full swing they will typically be there 7-7 M-F.  They do leave headquarters to record things like no putts given so shooting Harry an email may help setup a convenient time.  

[HardcoreLooper]

3 hours ago, cnosil said:

Several people from the forum have dropped in with no issue.

Good to know.  Thanks for the info!