StrokerAce Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said: with the CPO sale going, thinking of getting a similar shaft than what i game but 1" shorter. This thread has me thinking this would help me as well as adding some weight to get the force higher on the golf ball. My first driver fitting they put me in a 44/44.5 inch shaft and the results have bore themselves out. more fairways with little to no loss of distance and consistently hitting the middle of the face. the last was most important to me. As long as I can continue to hit the middle then I can make adjustments, but if I am all across the face then I'm in trouble. I realized this when I recently bought a 45.5" club and my center-face contact went back down. When I think of how short an inch really is I am amazed how much difference it can make. Good luck! Vegan_Golfer_PNW and chisag 1 1 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 33 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said: My first driver fitting they put me in a 44/44.5 inch shaft and the results have bore themselves out. more fairways with little to no loss of distance and consistently hitting the middle of the face. the last was most important to me. As long as I can continue to hit the middle then I can make adjustments, but if I am all across the face then I'm in trouble. I realized this when I recently bought a 45.5" club and my center-face contact went back down. When I think of how short an inch really is I am amazed how much difference it can make. Good luck! My biggest question is, what do I need to get in terms of weights to up the SW since I will lose some shortening it? I think it would be ~6 grams needed, plus what ever more i need to add a little more mass. I would also presume I would need to change the weight equally in the back and front or i would get some major trajectory issues StrokerAce 1 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment
StrokerAce Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said: My biggest question is, what do I need to get in terms of weights to up the SW since I will lose some shortening it? I think it would be ~6 grams needed, plus what ever more i need to add a little more mass. I would also presume I would need to change the weight equally in the back and front or i would get some major trajectory issues yes; you cannot simply cut an inch off a shaft. when I got my last driver I went from an 11g weight to 14g. my cobra I went from 12g to 16g. definitely something to consider. Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment
dlow206 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 I have been thinking about lengths of all clubs lately. Have never felt comfortable with any length irons. And fitting for length has always seemed like one of the hardest areas to fit, given that i have never been to a fitter with a shorter length shafts, and i don't feel like choking down is necessarily equivalent to the feel of a shower club. Just for context, I am short 5'5", but have a wrist to floor of 30.5" which is about the wrist to floor of the average person that is 5'2". Ping recommends and Wishon recommend 0.5" shorter than standard length, some others recommend 1" shorter, and I did an online fitting with a local company with a proprietary "dimensional" fitting algorithm and it recommended a 36" 6 iron, which is really short. GolfSpy BOS 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment
cnosil Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, GolfSpy Stroker said: yes; you cannot simply cut an inch off a shaft. when I got my last driver I went from an 11g weight to 14g. my cobra I went from 12g to 16g. definitely something to consider. I think it is something you have to experiment with. I cut an inch and a 1/4 off mine with no weight adjustment and haven't had any negative results. Larryd3, StrokerAce and Vegan_Golfer_PNW 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
GolfSpy BOS Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 I have been thinking about lengths of all clubs lately. Have never felt comfortable with any length irons. And fitting for length has always seemed like one of the hardest areas to fit, given that i have never been to a fitter with a shorter length shafts, and i don't feel like choking down is necessarily equivalent to the feel of a shower club. Just for context, I am short 5'5", but have a wrist to floor of 30.5" which is about the wrist to floor of the average person that is 5'2". Ping recommends and Wishon recommend 0.5" shorter than standard length, some others recommend 1" shorter, and I did an online fitting with a local company with a proprietary "dimensional" fitting algorithm and it recommended a 36" 6 iron, which is really short. I’m 5’4.5 and play -1/2 and 2 flat on my irons. I actually went to -3/4 on the wedges since I have a set GW and 52 which were the same length. I think my WTF is about 31.5-32.The -1/2 length feels great for me, but my prior set was std length and I didn’t notice that much of a difference. I am hitting the center more often now. For length I would take a look at your strike tendency. Lots of heel? Maybe go -1/2. All over the face? Try shorter. Pretty good strikes? It’s probably a good length. Then you just need to make sure you lie angles are good. Of course, a different shaft could also help promote different strike patterns too, so that’s part of it. I think the best answer for us shorter guys is to go get fit. You can always bring up club length with your fitter and see what they suggest. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment
dlow206 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, B.Boston said: I’m 5’4.5 and play -1/2 and 2 flat on my irons. I actually went to -3/4 on the wedges since I have a set GW and 52 which were the same length. I think my WTF is about 31.5-32. The -1/2 length feels great for me, but my prior set was std length and I didn’t notice that much of a difference. I am hitting the center more often now. For length I would take a look at your strike tendency. Lots of heel? Maybe go -1/2. All over the face? Try shorter. Pretty good strikes? It’s probably a good length. Then you just need to make sure you lie angles are good. Of course, a different shaft could also help promote different strike patterns too, so that’s part of it. I think the best answer for us shorter guys is to go get fit. You can always bring up club length with your fitter and see what they suggest. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture. GolfSpy BOS 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, dlow206 said: Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture. I know this is about shaft length for driver and I am not a fitter or a golf pro, but have you tried widening your stance a 1/2" and then drop your had a little lower? Might give you a better feeling at setup. Again, maybe this is out of line for me, so apologies. Edited November 23, 2020 by rbsiedsc Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment
cnosil Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, dlow206 said: Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture. Where does the grip line run in your hands? Both left and right. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
dlow206 Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Just now, cnosil said: Where does the grip line run in your hands? Both left and right. Sorry, didn't understand the question exactly. Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment
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Chip Strokes Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 35 minutes ago, dlow206 said: Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture. looks about right to me, but if it’s uncomfortable that’s a different story Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment
GolfSpy_SHARK Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, dlow206 said: Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture. I see the problem. Flip flops. jk i do not have much to add to shaft length conversation I just go with feel and lether rip! I should probably shorten it up though because I took my first swings in a few weeks with my sons clubs and had my best posture and stayed down on the ball Golfspy_CG2, Chip Strokes, dlow206 and 1 other 1 3 Quote Check out my reviews: G710 Irons Official Review I MC Shaft & V Series Putter Official Review 2022 Forged Tec's Official Review I Nitron Push Cart Official Review WITB: Weapons of grass destruction (link to WITB) Traverse is filled with all this shiny metal and tracked by RadSpeed 8* - MotoreX F1 6X SIM 3W - Project X HZRDUS Green U505 Driving Iron 17* - Project X HZRDUS Black SpeedZone 4H - Project X HZRDUS Black 2022 King Forged Tec's 4-PW - KBS $ Tape 130 48 (SM8), 52 & 60 (SM7) - Nippon Modus 125 S ER2VI PROV1X #19 Are you a veteran? Check out the Veterans Golf Association (VGA) Thread! Link to comment
cnosil Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, dlow206 said: Sorry, didn't understand the question exactly. Hard to tell with the red line but it looks like the grip is placed along the lifeline of your hands and not the fingers. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
dlow206 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, cnosil said: Hard to tell with the red line but it looks like the grip is placed along the lifeline of your hands and not the fingers. Yeah, hard to see. Its in the fingers, something i have been working on closely with my instructor the past week. cnosil 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment
GolfSpy BOS Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 hours ago, dlow206 said: Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture. I’ll try to find the video, but I used to be super flat like Rickie on the left here: It took me a winter of slow motion swings and some sketchy rounds but now I’m closer to the Rickie on the right, but probably still a little flat. for me I had to really feel like I was reaching back to start the downswing so I didn’t tug it inside. dlow206 and GolfSpy_SHARK 2 Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment
Golfspy_CG2 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 15 hours ago, dlow206 said: Part of my issue is I never feel super comfortable at setup. The club shaft feels very horizontal to me if that makes sense. With it that horizontal feeling, it makes me want to make a flat backswing. That is a 9 iron 0.5" short in the picture. On another note, have you ever caught one straight over the net into your neighbors yard I'm sure the net is much closer than it appears and it's probably impossible to do that, but it was my first takeaway looking at the picture That and oh where did you find that bright red shaft...LOL cnosil and GolfSpy_SHARK 2 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment
cnosil Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 On another note, have you ever caught one straight over the net into your neighbors yard That is probably the biggest reason I don’t have a backyard net. I am terrified I would hit on past the net and into someone’s house. Golfspy_CG2 and GolfSpy_SHARK 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
dlow206 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: On another note, have you ever caught one straight over the net into your neighbors yard I'm sure the net is much closer than it appears and it's probably impossible to do that, but it was my first takeaway looking at the picture That and oh where did you find that bright red shaft...LOL LOL on the bright red shaft. Prior to this summer, there was a severe slope in my backyard. So the net was probably two feet below where it is now. Back then, i definitely hit a few over the fence. With the backyard more level, have not hit one over the fence. Also, switched to using limited flight foam balls as well to reduce the chance. Also, what looks like a house over the fence is actually a rarely used barn, so nothing really to damage if i hit one over. GolfSpy_SHARK and Golfspy_CG2 2 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Commencing driver length test soon. Pulled the trigger this morning. cnosil, chisag and Golfspy_CG2 3 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment
chisag Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 36 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said: Commencing driver length test soon. Pulled the trigger this morning. ... Looking forward to hearing how this works out for you! ... Refresher: every 1/4" you miss the center of your driver can result in a loss of 5-7 yds. Measure 1" full inch from the center and you can see many miss by this much regularly, resulting in a 20-28 yd loss of distance. This is more the norm and these are the players that occasionally hit a huge drive and wonder how they did it. Easy enough, they hit the center of the face for a change. For most that play this game, the extra distance potentially gained by a 1-1.5" longer shaft is much less than the loss of distance by missing the center. As always, there are exceptions to this rule and some are good at hitting the center with a longer shaft, but they are in the minority and most will actually gain distance and improve direction with a shorter shaft. Golfspy_CG2, cnosil, BMart519 and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, chisag said: ... Looking forward to hearing how this works out for you! ... Refresher: every 1/4" you miss the center of your driver can result in a loss of 5-7 yds. Measure 1" full inch from the center and you can see many miss by this much regularly, resulting in a 20-28 yd loss of distance. This is more the norm and these are the players that occasionally hit a huge drive and wonder how they did it. Easy enough, they hit the center of the face for a change. For most that play this game, the extra distance potentially gained by a 1-1.5" longer shaft is much less than the loss of distance by missing the center. As always, there are exceptions to this rule and some are good at hitting the center with a longer shaft, but they are in the minority and most will actually gain distance and improve direction with a shorter shaft. Thanks. I am looking forward to hopefully more consistency. Trying to figure out the proper swing weighting now and add slightly more mass since F=m x a. want to avoid lead tape since i have a little one. Current Setup: Grip: 57g lamkin midsize sonar + Shaft: Fujikura Pro XS (68 g at 46", currently 45.5") Clubhead: Epic Flash SZ (2g front, 12g back) New setup: Grip: 57g lamkin midsize sonar + Shaft: Fujikura Pro 7 2.0 XS (79g at 46", cut down to 44.5") Clubhead: Epic Flash SZ (thinking of a 6g front and 15.5g to 17.5g back weight? or add additional back weight, any suggestions? Edited November 24, 2020 by rbsiedsc Golfspy_CG2 1 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment
chisag Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 ... Going to a 17.5gm back weight should do the trick, as long as your spin is where you want it. I did that with my SIM Max going to a 25gm weight from the stock 18gm weight and it has worked very well for me. *I would add that lead tape is a great way to find out of something works before spending g the m only on an alternative. Easy enough to add and remove if you decide it gives you the performance you are looking for, then add a different weight or hot meld to the head for a clean look if that is important to you. Vegan_Golfer_PNW 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment
fixyurdivot Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, chisag said: ... Looking forward to hearing how this works out for you! ... Refresher: every 1/4" you miss the center of your driver can result in a loss of 5-7 yds. Measure 1" full inch from the center and you can see many miss by this much regularly, resulting in a 20-28 yd loss of distance. This is more the norm and these are the players that occasionally hit a huge drive and wonder how they did it. Easy enough, they hit the center of the face for a change. For most that play this game, the extra distance potentially gained by a 1-1.5" longer shaft is much less than the loss of distance by missing the center. As always, there are exceptions to this rule and some are good at hitting the center with a longer shaft, but they are in the minority and most will actually gain distance and improve direction with a shorter shaft. You quoted Tom Wishon earlier in the thread and I just recently finished his book. He is convinced the OEM's have done a disservice over the years, to a majority of amateur players, by marketing longer club lengths as the means of gaining distance. It was his discussion about this, in several sections of the book, along with the CCC "Tour Length" driver option/discussion that made me decide to try it. Thus far my FIR has increased significantly, dispersion lessened, and my distance reduced by about 5 yards (though my round this past Saturday seemed usual distance). More important is that my scores have been better. GolfSpy BOS, Vegan_Golfer_PNW, chisag and 1 other 3 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment
ChitownM2 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 That last sentence is the most important part. For most amateur golfers, even being a few yards shorter but in the fwy will be vastly better than longer with occasional OB/water/trees/bad angle in the rough. chisag and fixyurdivot 2 Quote Link to comment
chisag Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said: You quoted Tom Wishon earlier in the thread and I just recently finished his book. He is convinced the OEM's have done a disservice over the years, to a majority of amateur players, by marketing longer club lengths as the means of gaining distance. It was his discussion about this, in several sections of the book, along with the CCC "Tour Length" driver option/discussion that made me decide to try it. Thus far my FIR has increased significantly, dispersion lessened, and my distance reduced by about 5 yards (though my round this past Saturday seemed usual distance). More important is that my scores have been better. ... I have also talked to several VP's of Club Head Design and Engineering and they all agree the driver shaft is too long for Am's and even most Pro's. Off the record they blame the sales department so I can't name names but it is the Big Boys not boutique brands. fixyurdivot and StrokerAce 2 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment
GolfSpy BOS Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, fixyurdivot said: You quoted Tom Wishon earlier in the thread and I just recently finished his book. He is convinced the OEM's have done a disservice over the years, to a majority of amateur players, by marketing longer club lengths as the means of gaining distance. It was his discussion about this, in several sections of the book, along with the CCC "Tour Length" driver option/discussion that made me decide to try it. Thus far my FIR has increased significantly, dispersion lessened, and my distance reduced by about 5 yards (though my round this past Saturday seemed usual distance). More important is that my scores have been better. Glad to see we converted you! your post here made me want to take a look at where I stand with the Cobra vs the M5 I was using prior: Not quite as many drives yet with the Cobra, but there's def a trend. I'll take 14% more FIR every day. On top of that I'm 6 yards tighter on average, and go left way less often. Interestingly, my longest drive came with the Cobra, and it was in less favorable conditions than some of the other long balls. The smart range is slightly less with the Cobra, but the longest is with the Cobra... so that's a wash in my book. The Cobra is just overall a tighter dispersion, left to right and near to far. All things that make me happy! chisag, StrokerAce, sirchunksalot and 2 others 5 Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 hours ago, chisag said: ... Going to a 17.5gm back weight should do the trick, as long as your spin is where you want it. I did that with my SIM Max going to a 25gm weight from the stock 18gm weight and it has worked very well for me. *I would add that lead tape is a great way to find out of something works before spending g the m only on an alternative. Easy enough to add and remove if you decide it gives you the performance you are looking for, then add a different weight or hot meld to the head for a clean look if that is important to you. ...so would you replace the 12g with the 17.5g (then also add the 4g up front weight to keep the front back ratio similar) or add the 17.5g weight in addition to the 12g (then also add the 6g weight up front to keep the front back ratio similar) Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment
chisag Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said: ...so would you replace the 12g with the 17.5g (then also add the 4g up front weight to keep the front back ratio similar) or add the 17.5g weight in addition to the 12g (then also add the 6g weight up front to keep the front back ratio similar) ... That depends on what you want or need. The short answer is I would add the 17.5 gm eight to the rear and leave the 2gm weight up front. 2 additional gms up front will have pretty close to zero performance change. Yes, Tiger might tell difference but we will not. 5.5gms more weight in the rear will produce a slightly higher trajectory with a little more spin but most importantly increases MOI for better head stability on miss hits. If you re a very high speed player with a ton of spin, weight up front can help lower trajectory and reduce spin slightly BUT with a lower MOI direction control suffers on miss hits. I think it is a rare player that needs weight up front. ... The original Fly Z was played by all the Cobra engineers with a shorter shaft and 18gm weight in the rear and they called it their fairway finder. Only one ex D1 college player used the LTD and the rest the Fly Z. Moving from a SLDR with forward weight to the Fly Z with the highest 18gm weight produced my best driving season ever to that point. I have not changed that set up ever since and when switching from my Xtreme to the Sim Max, I added the higher weight in the rear and have had excellent results. Vegan_Golfer_PNW 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, chisag said: ... That depends on what you want or need. The short answer is I would add the 17.5 gm eight to the rear and leave the 2gm weight up front. 2 additional gms up front will have pretty close to zero performance change. Yes, Tiger might tell difference but we will not. 5.5gms more weight in the rear will produce a slightly higher trajectory with a little more spin but most importantly increases MOI for better head stability on miss hits. If you re a very high speed player with a ton of spin, weight up front can help lower trajectory and reduce spin slightly BUT with a lower MOI direction control suffers on miss hits. I think it is a rare player that needs weight up front. ... The original Fly Z was played by all the Cobra engineers with a shorter shaft and 18gm weight in the rear and they called it their fairway finder. Only one ex D1 college player used the LTD and the rest the Fly Z. Moving from a SLDR with forward weight to the Fly Z with the highest 18gm weight produced my best driving season ever to that point. I have not changed that set up ever since and when switching from my Xtreme to the Sim Max, I added the higher weight in the rear and have had excellent results. sounds good. Weight is ordered. may the winter experiment commence soon. Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment
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