sirchunksalot Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 I've been working so much lately that my opportunities to play have taken a hit. So what's one to do when you can't play? Buy stuff! These are back in stock and I decided to buy another two dozen of the Pix. It's a two day weekend for me this weekend and hopefully the rain will give me enough of a break to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted October 10, 2020 Author Share Posted October 10, 2020 On 10/6/2020 at 12:19 PM, MaxEntropy said: Thanks for the info @chisag! I had no idea the practice balls were not some form of a QC issue. ... You are welcome. To be fair there are occasional QC issues but only with printing not construction. I ran across a great example today. This PIX ball is missing a black triangle on top and bottom. Perfect ball but they can't sell it as new with this kind of cosmetic mistake. For $19.95 compared to $44.95 I can live with a missing triangle: GaDawg, NRJyzr, MaxEntropy and 6 others 9 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchunksalot Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 I got the chance to play these yesterday and I'm really happy with how they perform. First shot with the driver went 250, I did slightly pull it, but it felt great off the driver. I didn't hit another shot with the big stick worth talking about, but I know you can make forward progress off the entirety of the face. With the irons and wedges, I loved them. I was getting a bit of roll greenside because of rain recently and I expected that. My distance control with the putter was where I like it, so TaylorMade has a winner in my book. GolfSpy_SHARK, Nolan220, cnosil and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncwoz Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Just ordered myself 5 dozen...thanks for the tip @chisag! chisag and Nolan220 2 Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchunksalot Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 My second order of two dozen arrived today, now I'm wishing I'd have bought 5 dozen to begin with. chisag and Nolan220 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Got TP5X Pix practice balls from golfballs.com for $16 per dozen with coupon code: 20PERCENT Note, they may take this away, it doesn't work for the TP5 practice balls, but i was able to order the TP5X with the coupon. For that low of a price, i don't care between TP5 and X. Shipping is $5.95 but still a good deal if you buy enough. Nolan220, NRJyzr, GregGarner and 1 other 4 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan220 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 On 10/10/2020 at 7:01 PM, chisag said: ... You are welcome. To be fair there are occasional QC issues but only with printing not construction. I ran across a great example today. This PIX ball is missing a black triangle on top and bottom. Perfect ball but they can't sell it as new with this kind of cosmetic mistake. For $19.95 compared to $44.95 I can live with a missing triangle: I think I had this on one of the Practice pix I bought from golfballs.com 9 minutes ago, dlow206 said: Got TP5X Pix practice balls from golfballs.com for $16 per dozen with coupon code: 20PERCENT Note, they may take this away, it doesn't work for the TP5 practice balls, but i was able to order the TP5X with the coupon. For that low of a price, i don't care between TP5 and X. Shipping is $5.95 but still a good deal if you buy enough. Nice ! I have a $15 off coupon from them I need to use that I got when I brought the TM TP5 pix practice balls from them Quote Speedzone Driver Tensei AV Blue or G400 SFT 10. KBS TD 50 Category 3 shaft King Speedzone Black Yellow Fairway 3 wood Tensei AV Blue 65 F9 SpeedBack Black Grey Fairway 5 Wood ATMOS Tour Spec Blue 7 shaft T300 4i-GW - Tensei AV Blue AM2 Regular Flex or JPX 900 Hot Metal 5 - GW Project X Lz 4.5 Regular Flex Graphite Glide 2.0 SS Wedges 54 & 58 TP Red White Ardmore Putter - BGT Stability Tour Black shaft Precision Pro NX7 range finder Ultralight Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregGarner Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 10/10/2020 at 7:01 PM, chisag said: ... You are welcome. To be fair there are occasional QC issues but only with printing not construction. I ran across a great example today. This PIX ball is missing a black triangle on top and bottom. Perfect ball but they can't sell it as new with this kind of cosmetic mistake. For $19.95 compared to $44.95 I can live with a missing triangle: Just as a note to others that YMMV. I picked up a dozen of the TP5x since I had a $20 off coupon, so I only paid $6 in shipping but 3 out of the 12 have cosmetic defects (what appear to be small paint blobs?) Nothing a good scuff on a cart path won't fix, but caveat emptor nonetheless. (and $6 for a dozen tour-level balls? I can live with 3 of them being slightly less than perfect) Quote Driver: ZX5 LS MkII 9.5* (@ 9.0*) with 46.5" Ventus Blue 6X 3-wood: SIM 15* with Diamana Limited 75S 5-wood: RADspeed 18.5* with Motore X F3 60S 2i: ZX with SteelFiber i95 Stiff 4hy: TS3 23* with Tensei AV Blue 70 S 4i-7i ZX7, 8i-PW Z-Forged, Modus3 Tour 120 S 50*, 55* RTX 6 Modus3 Tour 125 60* RTX Full Face ZipCore DG Spinner S400 Putter: Toulon Chicago with a Quad Tour or HB SOFT Milled 10.5S with UST All-in Ball: Chrome Tour (but I might still have some Left Dashes hanging around) Bag: Ltd Edition Tartan, blue/green/yellow Using to keep track of my shots Tested: D7 Forged 3i-PW, KBS Tour-V 110S - Official Review Blind Ball Test (Ball #3 vs Ball #4) - Unofficial Review V3 GPS Watch + Tags - Official Review Vero X2 - Official Review The Stack System - Official Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheGreenInPar Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Thanks for this tip - I’ve got 5 dozen on the way (and 2 months to wait to use them) chisag 1 Quote 410 Plus 10.5 2Deep 15* Apex CF16 56* Wishon 4 wood, Nickent 4 hybrid, and a rogue’s gallery of assorted wedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobotDoctor Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 I just bought 6 dozen AAAAA grade TP5 practice balls (no Pix markings, just generic balls) and every one is pristine, no marks whatsoever. I have about 2 dozen 2016 TM Tour Preferred left so once those are gone I'll rotate the TP5 practice balls into game play. sirchunksalot and chisag 2 Quote Driver: TaylorMade 300 Mini 11.5° (10.2°), Fujikura Ventus Blue 5S Velocore 3W: TaylorMade M4 15°, Graphite Design Tour AD DI 7S Hybrid: TaylorMade Sim2 2 Iron Hybrid 17°, Mitsubishi Tensai AV Raw Blue 80 stiff Irons: Mizuno 223 4-PW, Nippon Modus3 Tour 120 stiff GW / LW: Scratch Golf 1018 forged 50°/ 58° DS, Nippon Modus3 Tour 120 stiff SW: Callaway MD5 Jaws 54°, TT DG Tour Issue S200 115g wedge shaft Putter: Byron Morgan DH89 GSS custom, Salty MidPlus cork grip Grips: BestGrips Augusta Microperf leather slip on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juspoole Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Got 5 dozen from golfdiscount. 3 dozen Pix to try them out both on course and for my skytrak to see if it assists in the reads. Also 2 dozen standard tp5x. Great deal on a great ball. chisag, Vegan_Golfer_PNW, ncwoz and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: Mavrik Sub Zero 9* (Set to 10) Ventus Blue 6X 2 Hybrid: TSI3 Hybrid Tensei Blue 80 X (17.25*) 3 Hybrid 818 H2 Hybrid Hzrdus RDX Black 6.5 (20.5*) 4 Iron - T200 4 Iron Graphite Design Tour AD IZ X Hybrid Shaft Irons 5-PW: T100-S 5 - GW KBS Tour 130 X Gap/Sand Wedge: Vokey SM6 49* SM8 54* Lob Wedge: Jaws 5 Wedge 58* DG Tour Issue Stiff Putter: Phantom 5.5 34" Pro Platinum Newport 2 35" Taylormade Tour Black Spider 34" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Got some last year. If they do the same discount with this year’s version, I am definitely game ncwoz 1 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS Ventus Black 6x 44.5" 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with KBS PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with KBS Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: TBD Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncwoz Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 15 hours ago, juspoole said: Got 5 dozen from golfdiscount. 3 dozen Pix to try them out both on course and for my skytrak to see if it assists in the reads. Also 2 dozen standard tp5x. Great deal on a great ball. That's a great point in potentially helping launch monitors pick up more accurate numbers, keep is updated on how that works for you! Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twyatt700 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 I’m all about over this!!Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Ping G430 Max 9* turned up to 10* in draw setting X-Stiff Ping Tour Chrome 2.0 60 Srixon ZX 3w Ventus Velocore Blue 7s Ping G425 5w X-Stiff Ping Tour 70 Srixon ZX5 4-6 Modus Tour 105 Stiff Srixon ZX& 7-PW Modus Tour 105 Stiff RTX Zipcore 50* 54* 58* TrueTemper Dynamic Gold Spinner Phantom X5 Putter Ball: Srixon Z-Star Diamond <> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juspoole Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 19 hours ago, ncwoz said: That's a great point in potentially helping launch monitors pick up more accurate numbers, keep is updated on how that works for you! Will do - I bought a dozen PIX balls for a buddy that has a Mevo + on the way, so I'll give feedback from him too. ncwoz 1 Quote Driver: Mavrik Sub Zero 9* (Set to 10) Ventus Blue 6X 2 Hybrid: TSI3 Hybrid Tensei Blue 80 X (17.25*) 3 Hybrid 818 H2 Hybrid Hzrdus RDX Black 6.5 (20.5*) 4 Iron - T200 4 Iron Graphite Design Tour AD IZ X Hybrid Shaft Irons 5-PW: T100-S 5 - GW KBS Tour 130 X Gap/Sand Wedge: Vokey SM6 49* SM8 54* Lob Wedge: Jaws 5 Wedge 58* DG Tour Issue Stiff Putter: Phantom 5.5 34" Pro Platinum Newport 2 35" Taylormade Tour Black Spider 34" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACA_619 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 i bought 3 dz about 2 months ago. If they do the same with the '21 version, i will definitely be in for a couple dozen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 19th Hole Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 I am in the process of testing balls to game this year and happened across a box of the TP5 Practice balls. I didn't know that existed. I bought a dozen to use in my home sim. Nice to be able to use a premium ball without having to pay premium price. sirchunksalot and chisag 2 Quote Driver: TSi4 8* w/ Tensei AV Raw White 65gr X shaft set to D-1 Hosel 3 wood: M1 13.5* Head set open w/ Fade bias weights. Irons: I-Blades PW-3i, 2* up standard length. Wedges: Glide 1.0 TS 60*, Glide 2.0 56 ES, Vokey 52* Putter: Sigma G Kushin . Ball: Various: Testing: AVX, BX, TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfish! Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 5dz TP5 Pix on the way. I havent bought new balls in years because I buy them used for $1 but his stock is up and down and the risk always being you never know how long those balls have been in play/under water etc. At this price point, it is worth it to buy these practice balls as they are the same construction and only have cosmetic blems that would not affect performance...unless your eyes tell you otherwise xP. Great work on finding the deal @chisag. sirchunksalot, chisag and NRJyzr 3 Quote Driver : SIM2 Max 9* MC Kuro Kago Silver 60 Stiff Woods : GS53 3 Wood 14* Mitsubish Tensei Blue 73g Regular Hybrids: 949X Project X HZRDUS RDX Black Irons : 699 Pro Black 5-AW 1* flat KBS Tour V 90 Stiff Shafts Wedges : 52, 56, 60 Putter : Spider Red Bag : lightweight cart bag | Dry Series Bag Ball : TP5 PIX (2019) | ProV1x (2021) Rangefinder : ULT-X Pushcart : M5 GPS DHC Electric Push Cart SoCal, USA Right handed HDCP 16.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downlowkey Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 On 9/21/2020 at 10:03 AM, chisag said: ... Other than Allen Iverson I will never understand why people pay for AAA Used balls having no idea where they came from when you can buy PRACTICE balls for less than 50% of the new price. For those unfamiliar, they are the same as brand new balls they just have PRACTICE stamped on them. Not second quality, not blemished just PRACTICE. Here is a great deal on some TP5 Pix PRACTICE balls and they also have the TP5 and TP5x in plain white for $19.99 and if you buy 5 dozen the shipping is free... On your advice, I pulled the trigger on 5 dozen ‘19 TP5X white and ~85% appear to be aesthetically perfect. So in the words of Allen Iverson “Why we talking bout PRACTICE?” On 10/10/2020 at 6:01 PM, chisag said: ...To be fair there are occasional QC issues but only with printing not construction. I ran across a great example today. This PIX ball is missing a black triangle on top and bottom. Perfect ball but they can't sell it as new with this kind of cosmetic mistake. For $19.95 compared to $44.95 I can live with a missing triangle. To be fair... I put the entire batch through an epsom salt float balance test. Without fail, the balls that had no cover or printing defects behaved like farm eggs in the bath. The handful with obvious scuffs, bubbles, gouges or printing defects were better balanced but still failed. Because that bears repeating - not only was _every single ball_ wonky, there was a statistically significant difference in balance between the balls that appeared to be perfect and those with minor external flaws. I am subsequently comfortable hypothesizing that Tmag’s “PRACTICE” balls are QC sorted for a variety of reasons beyond printing and minor external cover defects. IMO these are trash and I’m sending them all back. This is an example of getting exactly what you pay for. If it’s seems too good to be true then it’s probably wrapped in a lie - literally a pearly white one in this case. So if practice hounds want to fill their shag bags with this 5-piece urethane ammo, go right ahead. But for golfers that truly care about shaving shots on the course, Tmag’s quality statements on their “PRACTICE” balls are disingenuous. With this particular 60 ball data set, determining a MGS Ball Lab “True Cost” was incalculable. But I can safely say it’s north of $100/dozen and based on my testing there is likely no ceiling. Moral of the story - trust if you must, but verify. artful_golfer 1 Quote PXG___0811 X 9* - Mitsubishi Diamana s60 Limited X Cobra___S9-1 Pro 15* - Matrix Ozik XCON 7 S Adams___XTD Forged 3i - Matrix Ozik Program F15 120 S Adams___CMB 4-PW - Matrix Ozik Program F15 120 S KZG___Tri-Tour 50.08__54.10__58.12 - Accra iCWT 2.0-95i S Nike___Method Converge B1-01 (copper insert) Maxfli___'23 Tour X "The most important shot in golf is the next one“ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted May 16, 2021 Author Share Posted May 16, 2021 ... It would indeed be awesome to have MGS do a PRACTICE ball test. I have talked about this with both TM and Titleist at the PGA Show and they are uniform in their insistence that PRACTICE balls are not a performance but a cosmetic issue: "Each box of TP5/TP5x Practice balls includes a dozen assorted balls, with each batch likely containing the same model. TP5/TP5x Practice balls are USGA conforming products that differ only due to a cosmetic blemish such as paint, ink or registration of stamping. The golf balls all have “Practice” stamped on the side but do not have any construction or performance deficiencies." "Pro V1 Practice golf balls are conforming products that differ only due to a cosmetic blemish such as paint, ink or registration of stamping. Pro V1 Practice golf balls do not have any construction or performance deficiencies." Nolan220, sirchunksalot and DriverBreaker 3 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... Ventus Red Velocore 5R Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'li Blue 60R Hybrids: 430 Hybrid 22*... Diamana LTD 65r DHy #4 ... Steelfiber 780Hy Irons: '23 T200 5-Pw ... Steelfiber i95r Wedges: Vokey 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Sport-60 33" Ball: Maxfli/ Maxfli Tour/TP5x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfish! Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 hour ago, downlowkey said: On your advice, I pulled the trigger on 5 dozen ‘19 TP5X white and ~85% appear to be aesthetically perfect. So in the words of Allen Iverson “Why we talking bout PRACTICE?” To be fair... I put the entire batch through an epsom salt float balance test. Without fail, the balls that had no cover or printing defects behaved like farm eggs in the bath. The handful with obvious scuffs, bubbles, gouges or printing defects were better balanced but still failed. Because that bears repeating - not only was _every single ball_ wonky, there was a statistically significant difference in balance between the balls that appeared to be perfect and those with minor external flaws. I am subsequently comfortable hypothesizing that Tmag’s “PRACTICE” balls are QC sorted for a variety of reasons beyond printing and minor external cover defects. IMO these are trash and I’m sending them all back. This is an example of getting exactly what you pay for. If it’s seems too good to be true then it’s probably wrapped in a lie - literally a pearly white one in this case. So if practice hounds want to fill their shag bags with this 5-piece urethane ammo, go right ahead. But for golfers that truly care about shaving shots on the course, Tmag’s quality statements on their “PRACTICE” balls are disingenuous. With this particular 60 ball data set, determining a MGS Ball Lab “True Cost” was incalculable. But I can safely say it’s north of $100/dozen and based on my testing there is likely no ceiling. Moral of the story - trust if you must, but verify. What does the epsom salt bath actually verify though? I have watched videos on it on YouTube but whether a poor test result there correlates to actual poor performance on the course I have yet to see proven. Sure the experiment with the robotic putter and the putts going offline is out there but other than seems like the other data is anecdotal at best. Also, wouldn't the balls be out of balance after your first drive? Seems like the amount of compression these balls undergo would throw the balance off. Not to mention hitting trees, cart paths, etc for those of us that dont always find the fairway! Has anyone tried this test with PRACTICE balls from any other OEM? chisag 1 Quote Driver : SIM2 Max 9* MC Kuro Kago Silver 60 Stiff Woods : GS53 3 Wood 14* Mitsubish Tensei Blue 73g Regular Hybrids: 949X Project X HZRDUS RDX Black Irons : 699 Pro Black 5-AW 1* flat KBS Tour V 90 Stiff Shafts Wedges : 52, 56, 60 Putter : Spider Red Bag : lightweight cart bag | Dry Series Bag Ball : TP5 PIX (2019) | ProV1x (2021) Rangefinder : ULT-X Pushcart : M5 GPS DHC Electric Push Cart SoCal, USA Right handed HDCP 16.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downlowkey Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 1 hour ago, chisag said: ... It would indeed be awesome to have MGS do a PRACTICE ball test. I have talked about this with both TM and Titleist at the PGA Show and they are uniform in their insistence that PRACTICE balls are not a performance but a cosmetic issue... I’m not refuting Titleist’s claims, IMO they walk the talk. 19 minutes ago, golfish! said: What does the epsom salt bath actually verify though? I have watched videos on it on YouTube but whether a poor test result there correlates to actual poor performance on the course I have yet to see proven. Sure the experiment with the robotic putter and the putts going offline is out there but other than seems like the other data is anecdotal at best. Also, wouldn't the balls be out of balance after your first drive? Seems like the amount of compression these balls undergo would throw the balance off. Not to mention hitting trees, cart paths, etc for those of us that dont always find the fairway! Has anyone tried this test with PRACTICE balls from any other OEM? The float test verifies whether the core placement is centered. And the flight characteristics of a golf ball spinning at a few thousand RPM is absolutely affected by poor core placement. I personally wouldn’t classify the results of the 2019 robot ball testing as anecdotal. The whole video is worth watching but @GolfSpy_X and Tony get into the specifics of QC as it relates to dispersion starting around the 13:30 mark. They had drives 40 yards wide of the center line with the robot... seemingly out of nowhere. Just to clarify, if a golfer wants to save some dough playing urethane farm eggs I think that’s fine. But I take issue with certain brands telling a budget minded player not to worry about a “PRACTICE” label when a simple balance test demonstrates otherwise. And to my knowledge, an otherwise balanced golf ball doesn’t immediately lose that quality as a result of being typically compressed. Cover abrasions from tree/cart path strikes are another matter entirely. golfish! and Nolan220 2 Quote PXG___0811 X 9* - Mitsubishi Diamana s60 Limited X Cobra___S9-1 Pro 15* - Matrix Ozik XCON 7 S Adams___XTD Forged 3i - Matrix Ozik Program F15 120 S Adams___CMB 4-PW - Matrix Ozik Program F15 120 S KZG___Tri-Tour 50.08__54.10__58.12 - Accra iCWT 2.0-95i S Nike___Method Converge B1-01 (copper insert) Maxfli___'23 Tour X "The most important shot in golf is the next one“ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfish! Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 5 hours ago, downlowkey said: I’m not refuting Titleist’s claims, IMO they walk the talk. The float test verifies whether the core placement is centered. And the flight characteristics of a golf ball spinning at a few thousand RPM is absolutely affected by poor core placement. I personally wouldn’t classify the results of the 2019 robot ball testing as anecdotal. The whole video is worth watching but @GolfSpy_X and Tony get into the specifics of QC as it relates to dispersion starting around the 13:30 mark. They had drives 40 yards wide of the center line with the robot... seemingly out of nowhere. Just to clarify, if a golfer wants to save some dough playing urethane farm eggs I think that’s fine. But I take issue with certain brands telling a budget minded player not to worry about a “PRACTICE” label when a simple balance test demonstrates otherwise. And to my knowledge, an otherwise balanced golf ball doesn’t immediately lose that quality as a result of being typically compressed. Cover abrasions from tree/cart path strikes are another matter entirely. Ok so you believe Titleist PRACTICE balls are the real deal but TM is not? I did try comparing TP5 to ProV1X and I could not really tell the difference so maybe I will look into Titleist ProV1 practice balls. Also, have you tried to Check Go tool? Do you think it is worth it and more than a gimmick? Nolan220 1 Quote Driver : SIM2 Max 9* MC Kuro Kago Silver 60 Stiff Woods : GS53 3 Wood 14* Mitsubish Tensei Blue 73g Regular Hybrids: 949X Project X HZRDUS RDX Black Irons : 699 Pro Black 5-AW 1* flat KBS Tour V 90 Stiff Shafts Wedges : 52, 56, 60 Putter : Spider Red Bag : lightweight cart bag | Dry Series Bag Ball : TP5 PIX (2019) | ProV1x (2021) Rangefinder : ULT-X Pushcart : M5 GPS DHC Electric Push Cart SoCal, USA Right handed HDCP 16.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downlowkey Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 12 hours ago, golfish! said: Ok so you believe Titleist PRACTICE balls are the real deal but TM is not? I did try comparing TP5 to ProV1X and I could not really tell the difference so maybe I will look into Titleist ProV1 practice balls. Also, have you tried to Check Go tool? Do you think it is worth it and more than a gimmick? I think it could be argued that Titleist has distinguished themselves somewhat both in manufacturing tolerances and willingness to cull poor QC product from retail boxes. Beyond that I don’t have any experience with their “PRACTICE” class products. Tmag has probably made some strides in those areas over the last couple years. Their most recent retail TP5/TP5X MGS Ball Lab report was pretty solid. The premise of this thread is a perception of great value for top tier performance with a prior generation product class, based solely on Tmag’s marketing claims. Like you, I pulled the trigger on 5 dozen because it’s a no brainer if the cosmetic blemish QC sort is the only reason they are “PRACTICE” stamped. I’m obviously particular about my golf equipment and closely inspected this batch of ‘19 TP5X for visible defects. The overwhelming majority appeared to be perfect and were wildly unbalanced. The other ~15% that had obvious cosmetic issues were still unbalanced but not as bad. The odds of those tendencies holding true through a 60 ball data set is either an astronomically slim coincidence or Tmag’s statements about their “PRACTICE” balls are disingenuous. Perhaps it’s limited to the ‘19 TP5/TP5X whites? In this thread alone we should have plenty of product to start sussing out the legitimacy of their “PRACTICE” class QC claims. I just wanted my fellow Spies to know what they are potentially getting into. But I understand that fooling someone is much easier than convincing someone they have been fooled. So don’t trust me, trust the scientific method. #BUYITBALANCEIT Re: “Check Go Pro” - I don’t like alignment aids on my golf balls but Tony gives it a nod in the ‘19 ball test video above and his job description centers around shooting straight for us consumers. Quote PXG___0811 X 9* - Mitsubishi Diamana s60 Limited X Cobra___S9-1 Pro 15* - Matrix Ozik XCON 7 S Adams___XTD Forged 3i - Matrix Ozik Program F15 120 S Adams___CMB 4-PW - Matrix Ozik Program F15 120 S KZG___Tri-Tour 50.08__54.10__58.12 - Accra iCWT 2.0-95i S Nike___Method Converge B1-01 (copper insert) Maxfli___'23 Tour X "The most important shot in golf is the next one“ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfish! Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 2 hours ago, downlowkey said: I think it could be argued that Titleist has distinguished themselves somewhat both in manufacturing tolerances and willingness to cull poor QC product from retail boxes. Beyond that I don’t have any experience with their “PRACTICE” class products. Tmag has probably made some strides in those areas over the last couple years. Their most recent retail TP5/TP5X MGS Ball Lab report was pretty solid. The premise of this thread is a perception of great value for top tier performance with a prior generation product class, based solely on Tmag’s marketing claims. Like you, I pulled the trigger on 5 dozen because it’s a no brainer if the cosmetic blemish QC sort is the only reason they are “PRACTICE” stamped. I’m obviously particular about my golf equipment and closely inspected this batch of ‘19 TP5X for visible defects. The overwhelming majority appeared to be perfect and were wildly unbalanced. The other ~15% that had obvious cosmetic issues were still unbalanced but not as bad. The odds of those tendencies holding true through a 60 ball data set is either an astronomically slim coincidence or Tmag’s statements about their “PRACTICE” balls are disingenuous. Perhaps it’s limited to the ‘19 TP5/TP5X whites? In this thread alone we should have plenty of product to start sussing out the legitimacy of their “PRACTICE” class QC claims. I just wanted my fellow Spies to know what they are potentially getting into. But I know that fooling someone is much easier than convincing someone they have been fooled. So don’t trust me, trust the scientific method. #BUYITBALANCEIT Re: “Check Go Pro” - I don’t like alignment aids on my golf balls but Tony gives it a nod in the ‘19 ball test video above and his job description centers around shooting straight for us consumers. Ok I did get the TP5 PIX balls so I will run a test and balance some of those today and respond on this thread. Hoping it is limited to the plain white balls but I would think the cover design is just cosmetic and the cores are the same so good chance these may be off balance too. Now I feel like I need to go buy a Check Go Pro lol. "Honey I need this for testing purposes!" downlowkey 1 Quote Driver : SIM2 Max 9* MC Kuro Kago Silver 60 Stiff Woods : GS53 3 Wood 14* Mitsubish Tensei Blue 73g Regular Hybrids: 949X Project X HZRDUS RDX Black Irons : 699 Pro Black 5-AW 1* flat KBS Tour V 90 Stiff Shafts Wedges : 52, 56, 60 Putter : Spider Red Bag : lightweight cart bag | Dry Series Bag Ball : TP5 PIX (2019) | ProV1x (2021) Rangefinder : ULT-X Pushcart : M5 GPS DHC Electric Push Cart SoCal, USA Right handed HDCP 16.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriverBreaker Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 (edited) On 5/16/2021 at 5:05 PM, downlowkey said: On your advice, I pulled the trigger on 5 dozen ‘19 TP5X white and ~85% appear to be aesthetically perfect. So in the words of Allen Iverson “Why we talking bout PRACTICE?” To be fair... I put the entire batch through an epsom salt float balance test. Without fail, the balls that had no cover or printing defects behaved like farm eggs in the bath. The handful with obvious scuffs, bubbles, gouges or printing defects were better balanced but still failed. Because that bears repeating - not only was _every single ball_ wonky, there was a statistically significant difference in balance between the balls that appeared to be perfect and those with minor external flaws. I am subsequently comfortable hypothesizing that Tmag’s “PRACTICE” balls are QC sorted for a variety of reasons beyond printing and minor external cover defects. IMO these are trash and I’m sending them all back. This is an example of getting exactly what you pay for. If it’s seems too good to be true then it’s probably wrapped in a lie - literally a pearly white one in this case. So if practice hounds want to fill their shag bags with this 5-piece urethane ammo, go right ahead. But for golfers that truly care about shaving shots on the course, Tmag’s quality statements on their “PRACTICE” balls are disingenuous. With this particular 60 ball data set, determining a MGS Ball Lab “True Cost” was incalculable. But I can safely say it’s north of $100/dozen and based on my testing there is likely no ceiling. Moral of the story - trust if you must, but verify. I ordered 5 dozen as well. I read your post and put 12 through the Epsom salt test. I observed similarly to you that there was definitely a balance issue. I've floated lots of balls before and it is the exception rather than the rule to find a perfectly balanced ball. When I did the official test for Srixon Z Star and XVs, I found quite a few to be unbalanced to some degree. I've floated ProV1s as well and it seems very common to find unbalanced balls. What is your metric for how unbalanced of a ball you'll put into play? You're a +1, so I'm curious. I played with the TaylorMade TP5X practice balls the other day and did not see any real difference in offline shots (I had not balanced them yet to put the light side up when driving or putting for example). Ball flew straight and far, unless I but a bad swing on it. I think back to the days of balata balls, wound balls, etc. in the days of Hogan, Snead, etc. The older era golfer was pretty stellar even with less quality control/tolerance issues we see in today's process. I just wonder how much of a difference it makes practically. I know the MGS Robot test found some really funky things, but would need to test the balance of the balls beforehand to see how they affected offline. Thanks for your thoughts! Edited May 18, 2021 by ChasingScratch golfish!, chisag and MrBandit 3 Quote Instagram: @tony_rosselli_ Training Pre training max driver speed: 124mph Current: 130mph WITB: Driver: G425 Max, 9* Woods: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood Irons: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts Wedges: SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Ball: ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriverBreaker Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 (edited) Another thing to consider is TaylorMade's golf ball manufacturing process. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I read that TaylorMade makes their balls in a multi-site process, where by cores/inner layers are made in one facility and then covers put on at another facility. So if anything, it would seem they should have more QC checks. The first would be where the cores/inner layers are made. If they are out of spec there, they don't make it to the next phase. I could be way off base, and they may just put them into a different pile. But then the cores/inner layers would be combined with the covers, and if there was a mistake there, they go elsewhere (or put into a different pile again). The final phase would be paint/logos/graphics, and that is where TaylorMade says they differ in quality. From this article: It again, idk. There was definitely a balance issue on the ones I tested. I’ll play another round with them soon and see if I get and really funky ball flights. I’ll balance the rest of them and try some treats where I put light side up vs on the side as well when teeing off and putting. Edited May 18, 2021 by ChasingScratch Quote Instagram: @tony_rosselli_ Training Pre training max driver speed: 124mph Current: 130mph WITB: Driver: G425 Max, 9* Woods: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood Irons: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts Wedges: SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Ball: ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downlowkey Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 59 minutes ago, ChasingScratch said: What is your metric for how unbalanced of a ball you'll put into play? I just wonder how much of a difference it makes practically. I float test all of my golf balls and agree that probably the majority are unbalanced to some degree. Based on my results, balls either go into the competition, recreational or practice pile. But it’s not really a quantifiable metric that determines the designation. I spin each ball three times, observe how long it takes to stop oscillating and note the high side. It’s pretty obvious which are perfectly balanced, mildly unbalanced and total farm eggs. Based on the observations from my particular batch of TP5X “PRACTICE” balls: zero were perfectly balanced, ~20% were recreational quality and the rest were terrible. Going one step further, the tendency for balls with obvious cosmetic issues being appreciably better balanced than the seemingly perfect balls was clearly evident. I was expecting ~20% “perfect”, ~60% mildly unbalanced and ~20% rejects. If Tmag is shooting straight on their QC claims that should have been the rough breakdown irrespective of outward appearance. And it’s subsequently made me curious why seemingly perfect balls were “PRACTICE” stamped. On the subject of practical effects of less than ideal equipment, eliminating variables gives me confidence. I’m not going to hunt down the article, but I recall Nicklaus having some harsh words for the MacGregor ball factory team regarding their specific hindrance on his career stats. And Hogan also believed his maniacal standard for all the equipment bearing his name was justified. I figured this thread was the most appropriate place to share my contrary findings and solicit additional data. @chisag seems content to repeat Tmag’s QC claims and that’s fine, I’m not trying to point a finger at him. At this point, I honestly hope Tmag is fibbing because it would make me livid to have these same balance results with 5 dozen retail priced pearls. This is the last thing I’m going to offer in this thread - the truth can be uncomfortable and many marketers of golf equipment have demonstrated a talent for obfuscation. There’s a reason MGS put the “GOOD BALL” stat column front and center on their new tracking tool. The balance test will tell you if there are any secrets hiding under the surface. #BUYITBALANCEIT golfish! 1 Quote PXG___0811 X 9* - Mitsubishi Diamana s60 Limited X Cobra___S9-1 Pro 15* - Matrix Ozik XCON 7 S Adams___XTD Forged 3i - Matrix Ozik Program F15 120 S Adams___CMB 4-PW - Matrix Ozik Program F15 120 S KZG___Tri-Tour 50.08__54.10__58.12 - Accra iCWT 2.0-95i S Nike___Method Converge B1-01 (copper insert) Maxfli___'23 Tour X "The most important shot in golf is the next one“ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriverBreaker Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, downlowkey said: I float test all of my golf balls and agree that probably the majority are unbalanced to some degree. Based on my results, balls either go into the competition, recreational or practice pile. But it’s not really a quantifiable metric that determines the designation. I spin each ball three times, observe how long it takes to stop oscillating and note the high side. It’s pretty obvious which are perfectly balanced, mildly unbalanced and total farm eggs. Based on the observations from my particular batch of TP5X “PRACTICE” balls: zero were perfectly balanced, ~20% were recreational quality and the rest were terrible. Going one step further, the tendency for balls with obvious cosmetic issues being appreciably better balanced than the seemingly perfect balls was clearly evident. I was expecting ~20% “perfect”, ~60% mildly unbalanced and ~20% rejects. If Tmag is shooting straight on their QC claims that should have been the rough breakdown irrespective of outward appearance. And it’s subsequently made me curious why seemingly perfect balls were “PRACTICE” stamped. On the subject of practical effects of less than ideal equipment, eliminating variables gives me confidence. I’m not going to hunt down the article, but I recall Nicklaus having some harsh words for the MacGregor ball factory team regarding their specific hindrance on his career stats. And Hogan also believed his maniacal standard for all the equipment bearing his name was justified. I figured this thread was the most appropriate place to share my contrary findings and solicit additional data. @chisag seems content to repeat Tmag’s QC claims and that’s fine, I’m not trying to point a finger at him. At this point, I honestly hope Tmag is fibbing because it would make me livid to have these same balance results with 5 dozen retail priced pearls. This is the last thing I’m going to offer in this thread - the truth can be uncomfortable and many marketers of golf equipment have demonstrated a talent for obfuscation. There’s a reason MGS put the “GOOD BALL” stat column front and center on their new tracking tool. The balance test will tell you if there are any secrets hiding under the surface. #BUYITBALANCEIT Thanks for sharing your insights. I balance my golf balls as well, so your post got me thinking about these. I hadn’t balanced them yet and was just going to play them. I agree some take longer to roll back to light side up than others (golf balls overall). I do think we need a robot test where we balance balls first then put them light side up and then light side on either side to see how it affects flight with driver, iron, wedge. I know people have done tests for putting. This forum is the perfect place for this type of discussion. I think all is fine and well. Please keep sharing your thoughts. Would for sure be a shame if TM is hoodwinking us on this one. Has anyone floated non practice retail TP5X balls to see if there is a consistent balance problem with the model? Quote Instagram: @tony_rosselli_ Training Pre training max driver speed: 124mph Current: 130mph WITB: Driver: G425 Max, 9* Woods: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood Irons: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts Wedges: SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Ball: ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriverBreaker Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 I saw one video where Bryson’s caddie was float balancing balls. There used lead tape to determine if a ball was too unbalanced (so many millimeters if tape = so many grams of off balance). If it was outside of that tolerance, they didn’t put them in the bag. downlowkey, GregGarner, MrBandit and 1 other 4 Quote Instagram: @tony_rosselli_ Training Pre training max driver speed: 124mph Current: 130mph WITB: Driver: G425 Max, 9* Woods: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood Irons: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts Wedges: SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Ball: ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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