Grand Stranded Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) For those of you who understand the golf swing, and/or have taught the game, is there any validity to what I'm about to say about the transition move in a golf swing? If you follow the "How'd you play" thread you've probably seen me talk there about my recent struggles with my irons the last few weeks. I just cannot hit an iron solid, much less hit a green. My round on Saturday was more of the same. so I went out yesterday morning to hit some balls hoping to figure things out. I didn't go to my club's range because I didn't want to be distracted by friends who might be there. I went down the road a bit to the course where my fitter is set up. His shop was closed, but as I was banging away out there, the pro (who knows me and my swing pretty well) came up behind me and asked "wtf happened to your swing....?" He watched me hit a few more, then told me the following: "There are two ways to start your transition. You can either DROP (your hands), OR ROTATE (your lower body)." According to him, I'd somehow become a mish mosh of the two. He said my old (good) swing was one where I dropped my hands, but I was now trying to rotate my lower body like a Dustin Johnson type player would, which isn't something he would advise a person in his mid sixties to suddenly try to emulate. We did the "pump" drill a few times, and right away my swing felt comfortable again. I don't think I hit another bad shot with the rest of the bucket. We talked about when the issues started, and he thinks I went down a rabbit hole when I tried on my own to improve my position at impact in a misguided attempt to "cover the ball" better. I went back out again this morning to hit another bucket, and it was the best feeling in the world! For the first time in a month I was hitting at targets, not just hoping for decent contact. I'm really hoping there's something to this and it isn't a quick fix band-aid type of thing. I just never feel comfortable starting with my lower body. (I know, I know, it's not supposed to feel comfortable, LOL) Edited October 5, 2020 by Grand Stranded GBWarPig, MaxEntropy, THEZIPR23 and 5 others 8 Quote Driver: G425 Max 10.5* Fairway: Stealth 3HL & 7W Hybrids: Stealth 22* & 25* Irons: JPX 923 HM 6-AW Wedges: Tour Issue Glide 4.0 54-12 Tour Issue Glide 4.0 58-10 Putter: ER7 34” Link to comment
GBWarPig Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Starting with dropping the hands makes sense to me with the loss of flexibility/rotation that tends to occur as we age. On the same token, your hips likely don’t rotate as far back as they once did, so starting with the hands and moving the lower body accordingly lines up there too. All in all, I’d believe this to be a solid swing thought to keep that consistency going. Grand Stranded 1 Quote Driver: Mavrik Sub Zero,10°, Aldila Rogue Silver 70X 3W: Mavrik Sub Zero, 15°, Aldila Rogue Silver 70X 3H: Mavrik Sub Zero, 18°, KBS Tour Hybrid 75S 4i-PW: Mavrik Pro, +1°, True Temper Elevate Tour S, Standard Lie Wedges: SM8 - 50°/12F, 54°/14F, 58°/14K Putter: Special Select Squareback 2, 35" Ball: MTB-X Link to comment
Grand Stranded Posted October 5, 2020 Author Share Posted October 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, GBWarPig said: Starting with dropping the hands makes sense to me with the loss of flexibility/rotation that tends to occur as we age. On the same token, your hips likely don’t rotate as far back as they once did, so starting with the hands and moving the lower body accordingly lines up there too. All in all, I’d believe this to be a solid swing thought to keep that consistency going. To elaborate a little more on what he said, he wants me to feel like my back is still at the target until my hands reach my hip, then release the club. It's a very simple move, and the pump drill worked great to incorporate the feel. Kenny B 1 Quote Driver: G425 Max 10.5* Fairway: Stealth 3HL & 7W Hybrids: Stealth 22* & 25* Irons: JPX 923 HM 6-AW Wedges: Tour Issue Glide 4.0 54-12 Tour Issue Glide 4.0 58-10 Putter: ER7 34” Link to comment
GBWarPig Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I think it makes total sense. If you are DJ flexibility, you get a huge hip turn and arms are back over the shoulder, so need to fire the legs to start the downswing and be on tempo. But you aren’t DJ, so your hips aren’t turned as much, but hands should still be in a similar position. If you start your hips/legs first, they are already “ahead” compared to DJ, so the hands have to really speed to catch up. If you drop hands first, they can get in a similar relative position to DJs hips/hands, and lead to more consistent striking. Grand Stranded 1 Quote Driver: Mavrik Sub Zero,10°, Aldila Rogue Silver 70X 3W: Mavrik Sub Zero, 15°, Aldila Rogue Silver 70X 3H: Mavrik Sub Zero, 18°, KBS Tour Hybrid 75S 4i-PW: Mavrik Pro, +1°, True Temper Elevate Tour S, Standard Lie Wedges: SM8 - 50°/12F, 54°/14F, 58°/14K Putter: Special Select Squareback 2, 35" Ball: MTB-X Link to comment
cnosil Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 I am not a swing expert but understand exactly what you are saying. Lots of ways to swing a club and one of the new bug things is the hip rotation stuff (like Gankas teaches). If the drop and keep the back to the target works, that is what you should do. You could change your swing, but it will probably take a while to make the change. Grand Stranded 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
dlow206 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 I like what Monte has to say on this topic. https://www.instagram.com/p/CF44vZBFjpM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link Grand Stranded, Kenny B and russtopherb 3 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment
Buffly Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 @Grand Stranded there is a whole can of worms about the difference between feel and real. I can understand how leading with the body without dropping the hands could create complicated impact positions and inconsistencies. However, I can also see how telling someone to start their swing by dropping their hands could create a bunch of problems. It could be that the pro recognized where you could most simply make the most Improvement with the fewest changes. My experience of dropping the hands before activating my lower body results in a large loss of distance and more inconsistent impact. But, that is me. For you, the hip motion first might have created a late release and a flinch to compensate. Of course, this is just a guess. Overall, do what works and enjoy the results more than trying to fit someone else's mold. Grand Stranded and aerospace_ray 2 Quote Golf is simple - people are complicated. 5w Taylormade SLDR S 19* - 220yd, Ping G2 5-U - 190-105, Maltby M+ 54* & MG 60* - 95-75, Evnroll ER8, Titleist 816 H1 4h 21*, Maltby 4 Hybrid Iron 24* - 210-200, Callaway XR16 8* - 235 carry Link to comment
ejgaudette Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Sounds like some good advice from someone who knows your swing and how you best time your motions to return to impact in a position to make solid contact. I would say roll with it. I agree with others that it could be a bit of feel versus real, but it's about the results. If it works keep it going. Hope you keep hitting them well. Grand Stranded 1 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment
Firebird Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I have always been taught that your swing starts from the bottom not the top down. my first movement is to roll my legs/hips forward as as I which automatically drops the club on the inside. It is amazing how far you can move your hips before your shoulder starts to turn. Quote Callaway Epic Flash 9 Degree Callaway Epic Flash 3 wood 15 Degree Callaway Apex 21 Hybrid 19 Degree Callaway Steelhead Pro 4-AW Irons Cleveland 54 Degree Wedge Steel Shaft Recoil Graphite Shafts in all Callaway Cobra Vintage Series Stingray 40 Preferred ball - Seed 001 Link to comment
Buffly Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Firebird said: I have always been taught that your swing starts from the bottom not the top down. my first movement is to roll my legs/hips forward as as I which automatically drops the club on the inside. It is amazing how far you can move your hips before your shoulder starts to turn. Totally agree. Quote Golf is simple - people are complicated. 5w Taylormade SLDR S 19* - 220yd, Ping G2 5-U - 190-105, Maltby M+ 54* & MG 60* - 95-75, Evnroll ER8, Titleist 816 H1 4h 21*, Maltby 4 Hybrid Iron 24* - 210-200, Callaway XR16 8* - 235 carry Link to comment
Kenny B Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 On 10/5/2020 at 2:33 PM, Grand Stranded said: To elaborate a little more on what he said, he wants me to feel like my back is still at the target until my hands reach my hip, then release the club. It's a very simple move, and the pump drill worked great to incorporate the feel. Very similar to what Monte Scheinblum teaches with his No Turn Cast drill. Look for new version on Instagram and on his website https://video.rebelliongolf.com/programs/noturncast I would keep doing what your pro said. cnosil and Grand Stranded 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment
dlow206 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 If I purposefully try to get my hips moving first, really bad things happen, like really bad. According to that post I linked to, Monte says that yes, the hips do start first, but only by about 0.02 seconds ahead of the arms. I now try to feel that the arms and hips are moving at the same time. ejgaudette and Grand Stranded 2 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment
ejgaudette Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 39 minutes ago, dlow206 said: If I purposefully try to get my hips moving first, really bad things happen, like really bad. According to that post I linked to, Monte says that yes, the hips do start first, but only by about 0.02 seconds ahead of the arms. I now try to feel that the arms and hips are moving at the same time. I totally get the same thing when it is synced up it's all good, but if the hips get going too fast it's not good. Grand Stranded and dlow206 2 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment
MaxEntropy Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Since I started SuperSpeed, I am more prone to a high flare to the right. Last week, after hitting such a flare, my friend said something along the lines of "it's hard to diagnose because your club is moving visibly faster, but it really looks like your lower body is starting early and your arms are dragging behind and never catch up." It makes sense to me given the push-slice ball flight, but I don't have a good "feel" for what I need to do to correct it. Maybe the thought of starting with the hands is something to think about? Man, I need some lessons.... Grand Stranded 1 Quote Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 SW: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54* LW: TAIII Black 58* Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Testing Complete, Final Review Posted: Sub70 TAIII Forged Wedges Link to comment
dlow206 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 49 minutes ago, MaxEntropy said: Since I started SuperSpeed, I am more prone to a high flare to the right. Last week, after hitting such a flare, my friend said something along the lines of "it's hard to diagnose because your club is moving visibly faster, but it really looks like your lower body is starting early and your arms are dragging behind and never catch up." It makes sense to me given the push-slice ball flight, but I don't have a good "feel" for what I need to do to correct it. Maybe the thought of starting with the hands is something to think about? Man, I need some lessons.... The push slices definitely happen for me with driver when my hips start moving first. I hate it. MaxEntropy 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment
SlowNLow Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Normally I got an alligator swing, my body turns but my arms and hands look lazy and stuck and kind of come along for the ride. When I swing like this it doesn't hurt but it feels like hard work. But the clubhead control is better. Maybe there is too much? There is some power there. (carry on good drive 260-270, srixon z565 8 iron 150) Over the last couple of days for the hell of it I've tried to "cast" the club from the top on purpose and the body rotation just happens. It feels like I have more clubhead speed (feel ain't real, but is it always wrong?) Everything feels much freer through to the finish. However the clubface at impact isn't reliable or repeatable. The heel of the club always seems to get to the ball first. This a video from 2019 is about hand speed, getting to max hand speed sooner in the start of the downswing. Quote Link to comment
HardcoreLooper Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) Let me preface this by saying that I am a volunteer coach at the First Tee. I'm by no means a teaching pro. That being said, I take lessons, I watch my daughter take lessons, and I talk to our pros about how to teach kids to swing a golf club. The advice this pro gave you, it was very much tailored to you and what you are doing right now. When a teaching pro wants you to correct an issue in your swing, they frequently have you overcompensate in an opposite direction. If your tendency is too far one way, they'll push you too far the other way, in the hope that you'll find the middle. It's rare that any of us actually swing the way we think we do, the way we feel like we do. So what feels to you like an overcompensation is probably somewhere close to where you want to be. This is great teaching, but it's personalized for you. My recurring personal swing flaw is dragging the club back too far inside. My teacher will take an alignment rod, lay it behind the ball and point it 15* left of target. He'll tell me to take it back along that line. I try to do it; I feel like I'm doing it, but when he shows me videos of my swing, it's right down the line. What I'm doing feels awful, but it's where he wants me to be. Feel ain't real. On the flip side, my daughter takes the club back too far outside. If my teacher (our teacher) made her do my drill, she'd get even further inside-out. We're both trying to get to the same place at impact, but he's doing very different things to get us there. That's what worries me about trying to deal in absolutes in the golf swing. Good teachers are trying to create matchups that will work for the student. But a change that a teacher makes for you to create a better matchup might destroy another golfer. Edited October 9, 2020 by HardcoreLooper This was barely English Chip Strokes, cnosil, Reesedw and 2 others 5 Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment
Buffly Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 8 hours ago, SlowNLow said: Normally I got an alligator swing, my body turns but my arms and hands look lazy and stuck and kind of come along for the ride. When I swing like this it doesn't hurt but it feels like hard work. But the clubhead control is better. Maybe there is too much? There is some power there. (carry on good drive 260-270, srixon z565 8 iron 150) Over the last couple of days for the hell of it I've tried to "cast" the club from the top on purpose and the body rotation just happens. It feels like I have more clubhead speed (feel ain't real, but is it always wrong?) Everything feels much freer through to the finish. However the clubface at impact isn't reliable or repeatable. The heel of the club always seems to get to the ball first. This a video from 2019 is about hand speed, getting to max hand speed sooner in the start of the downswing. Fascinating Quote Golf is simple - people are complicated. 5w Taylormade SLDR S 19* - 220yd, Ping G2 5-U - 190-105, Maltby M+ 54* & MG 60* - 95-75, Evnroll ER8, Titleist 816 H1 4h 21*, Maltby 4 Hybrid Iron 24* - 210-200, Callaway XR16 8* - 235 carry Link to comment
Grand Stranded Posted October 8, 2020 Author Share Posted October 8, 2020 Some very interesting comments, thanks guys! I googled "rotate or drop" last night, just to see if there was anything on the internet with instructors talking about this subject. I found a video right away that explains the two methods(?) really well, and even shows each swing in super slow motion. The problem is I don't know how to imbed a link or video, so I'm hoping maybe someone who I know does will do it for me? @Rickp @Kenny B @SlowNLow @dlow206 or @Buffly? It's on YouTube, I googled rotate or drop, and found a series of videos by a female instructor named Cristina Ricci. The series is called Make More Pars and the video is titled "Drop hands or rotate during downswing". Thanks, fellas. I'd appreciate anyone's help posting the video. Kenny B 1 Quote Driver: G425 Max 10.5* Fairway: Stealth 3HL & 7W Hybrids: Stealth 22* & 25* Irons: JPX 923 HM 6-AW Wedges: Tour Issue Glide 4.0 54-12 Tour Issue Glide 4.0 58-10 Putter: ER7 34” Link to comment
Chip Strokes Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 here ya go @Grand Stranded Grand Stranded 1 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment
Kenny B Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, Grand Stranded said: Some very interesting comments, thanks guys! I googled "rotate or drop" last night, just to see if there was anything on the internet with instructors talking about this subject. I found a video right away that explains the two methods(?) really well, and even shows each swing in super slow motion. The problem is I don't know how to imbed a link or video, so I'm hoping maybe someone who I know does will do it for me? @Rickp @Kenny B @SlowNLow @dlow206 or @Buffly? It's on YouTube, I googled rotate or drop, and found a series of videos by a female instructor named Cristina Ricci. The series is called Make More Pars and the video is titled "Drop hands or rotate during downswing". Thanks, fellas. I'd appreciate anyone's help posting the video. Just click on the web address of the YouTube video and copy. Paste it in your Reply. Easy; Peasy cnosil, Grand Stranded and HardcoreLooper 3 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment
cnosil Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 here ya go [mention=86304]Grand Stranded[/mention] Found this Instagram post as well. Seems to describe what your instructor told you. Kenny B and Grand Stranded 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Kenny B Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, cnosil said: Found this Instagram post as well. Seems to describe what your instructor told you. Monte references Rose's move a lot. I like it, but I have to "aggressively" rotate as Rose says or I block it to the right. Some days are not as "aggressive" as others. SlowNLow and cnosil 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment
cnosil Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Monte references Rose's move a lot. I like it, but I have to "aggressively" rotate as Rose says or I block it to the right. Some days are not as "aggressive" as others. No single way; Have to do what is right for you. HardcoreLooper, Kenny B, Grand Stranded and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
TR1PTIK Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Not much to add at this point. Multiple ways to swing the club and it sounds like your sequence and timing got out of whack. What the pro at that course told you is what a lot of pros would likely recommend if they saw the same thing. As someone else briefly mentioned, it's a matter of feel vs. real. You need to feel like you start with the hands and arms (I've been told the same thing in the past). Mark Crossfield did a good video about this years ago as well and I can never seem to find it for reference, but basically he suggested that you want to feel like you're trying to put both hands in your right pocket (for right-handed players), rotate, then finish. It worked wonders for me at the time and I still rehearse that motion when my swing gets out of sync. cnosil and Kenny B 2 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment
Grand Stranded Posted October 8, 2020 Author Share Posted October 8, 2020 So I just got back from hitting a bucket at our practice area. I'm becoming more and more used to this "feeling" or whatever it is, LOL. I've noticed one VERY big benefit for me since I started doing this on Monday, and it's that I'm really getting the sense of pressing down into the ground with my feet on my downswing, which is something I'd lost trying to rotate more. With the old move, I felt like they were either sliding or spinning out of a shot. The change in ball flight is night and day. I'm now hitting a nice high trajectory with a hint of a draw like I used to, and I've gotten my old distances back. Don't get me wrong, I'm not 100% comfortable with this yet, it's a very different feeling. I almost feel afraid that the shaft is so low and parallel to the ground it's never going to get to the ball, and yet impact is perfect. One thing is certain though, after weeks of weak, inconsistent iron shots, I'm loving what I'm seeing. It's so nice to go hit balls trying to ingrain something that's working instead of searching for something that does. TR1PTIK, Kenny B and cnosil 3 Quote Driver: G425 Max 10.5* Fairway: Stealth 3HL & 7W Hybrids: Stealth 22* & 25* Irons: JPX 923 HM 6-AW Wedges: Tour Issue Glide 4.0 54-12 Tour Issue Glide 4.0 58-10 Putter: ER7 34” Link to comment
cnosil Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 So I just got back from hitting a bucket at our practice area. I'm becoming more and more used to this "feeling" or whatever it is, LOL. I've noticed one VERY big benefit for me since I started doing this on Monday, and it's that I'm really getting the sense of pressing down into the ground with my feet on my downswing, which is something I'd lost trying to rotate more. With the old move, I felt like they were either sliding or spinning out of a shot. The change in ball flight is night and day. I'm now hitting a nice high trajectory with a hint of a draw like I used to, and I've gotten my old distances back. Don't get me wrong, I'm not 100% comfortable with this yet, it's a very different feeling. I almost feel afraid that the shaft is so low and parallel to the ground it's never going to get to the ball, and yet impact is perfect. One thing is certain though, after weeks of weak, inconsistent iron shots, I'm loving what I'm seeing. It's so nice to go hit balls trying to ingrain something that's working instead of searching for something that does.Great to hear, sometimes we just get ourselves out of sequence and need to get our swings looked at by a pro. Grand Stranded 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Kenny B Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 57 minutes ago, Grand Stranded said: So I just got back from hitting a bucket at our practice area. I'm becoming more and more used to this "feeling" or whatever it is, LOL. I've noticed one VERY big benefit for me since I started doing this on Monday, and it's that I'm really getting the sense of pressing down into the ground with my feet on my downswing, which is something I'd lost trying to rotate more. With the old move, I felt like they were either sliding or spinning out of a shot. The change in ball flight is night and day. I'm now hitting a nice high trajectory with a hint of a draw like I used to, and I've gotten my old distances back. Don't get me wrong, I'm not 100% comfortable with this yet, it's a very different feeling. I almost feel afraid that the shaft is so low and parallel to the ground it's never going to get to the ball, and yet impact is perfect. One thing is certain though, after weeks of weak, inconsistent iron shots, I'm loving what I'm seeing. It's so nice to go hit balls trying to ingrain something that's working instead of searching for something that does. Happy to hear that it's working out. The pro who knows your swing is the best one to go to. We will be your cheerleaders!! Grand Stranded and cnosil 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment
HardcoreLooper Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 8 hours ago, Grand Stranded said: I'm not 100% comfortable with this yet, it's a very different feeling. I almost feel afraid that the shaft is so low and parallel to the ground it's never going to get to the ball, and yet impact is perfect. My daughter's teacher said this to her once, and I say the same thing to the kids I work with all the time: "If the wrong swing feels right to you, then the right swing is going to feel wrong for a while." DaveP043, cnosil and Grand Stranded 3 Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment
Grand Stranded Posted October 9, 2020 Author Share Posted October 9, 2020 11 hours ago, cnosil said: Found this Instagram post as well. Seems to describe what your instructor told you. Thanks for posting this. It's so good... I must've watched it 20x today. cnosil 1 Quote Driver: G425 Max 10.5* Fairway: Stealth 3HL & 7W Hybrids: Stealth 22* & 25* Irons: JPX 923 HM 6-AW Wedges: Tour Issue Glide 4.0 54-12 Tour Issue Glide 4.0 58-10 Putter: ER7 34” Link to comment
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