Shot Scope Users Group

[TheJones]

Unfortunately I had similar experience as StrokerAce, the up button required pushing several times, wiggling, or just holding down for it to work.

Emailed ShotScope & they sent instructions on how to send it back.  Will probably be without it for a week.  Hopefully the replacement does better

[2puttbogey]

Pulled the trigger on a H4 and today was my first round with it. The tagging before each shot had me a bit out of rhythm on the front 9. I got used to it a bit, and figured out some of the quirks in it. It did have a couple issues that I hope will get better. It missed a couple chips route green. I may have missed tagging them because it was was on the front side, and only one shot missed on the back 9 and I know I tagged it. The biggest issue was that it didn’t recognize I was on a green quite often so I had to put it in pin collect mode on a majority of the holes. I had to do quite a bit of shot editing after the round. So not as seamless as I would have liked, but it was the first time out with it. Hopefully it will get more seamless as I use it more often.

[Preeway]

Has anyone tried logging 9 holes instead of 18? I played a 9 hole round and it's doubling all my strokes assuming to do the math as an 18 hole round. Is there a way to log only 9 holes for data purposes or will it always make it the equivalent of an 18 hole round?

[Northern Monkey]

I’ve logged a few nine hole rounds on my X5. I just select end round after 9 and that has worked for me

[Shapotomous]

8 hours ago, Preeway said:

Has anyone tried logging 9 holes instead of 18? I played a 9 hole round and it's doubling all my strokes assuming to do the math as an 18 hole round. Is there a way to log only 9 holes for data purposes or will it always make it the equivalent of an 18 hole round?

I have an H4 and log my 9 hole league rounds all the time.  I just choose 'end round' when done and upload the round to my phone.  I go through the editing on the laptop when I get back home since I always forget to log a couple shots or collect pins on the greens.  Then I sign off on the round and it saves it.

[cnosil]

8 hours ago, Preeway said:

Has anyone tried logging 9 holes instead of 18? I played a 9 hole round and it's doubling all my strokes assuming to do the math as an 18 hole round. Is there a way to log only 9 holes for data purposes or will it always make it the equivalent of an 18 hole round?

Yes, when you look at the stroke gained performance metrics it will double the values to make an 18 hole total. 

[Preeway]

4 hours ago, Northern Monkey said:

I’ve logged a few nine hole rounds on my X5. I just select end round after 9 and that has worked for me

 

11 minutes ago, Shapotomous said:

I have an H4 and log my 9 hole league rounds all the time.  I just choose 'end round' when done and upload the round to my phone.  I go through the editing on the laptop when I get back home since I always forget to log a couple shots or collect pins on the greens.  Then I sign off on the round and it saves it.

I was able to log my 9 hole round without problem. Just curious if the system would let the values stand as a 9 hole round or double all the metrics.

2 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Yes, when you look at the stroke gained performance metrics it will double the values to make an 18 hole total. 

Seems odd but I suppose the shots gained algorithm is based on 18 hole performances. At first I thought I had entered information wrong because it was showing 14 tee shots and I couldn't figure out why.

[Shapotomous]

4 minutes ago, Preeway said:

 

I was able to log my 9 hole round without problem. Just curious if the system would let the values stand as a 9 hole round or double all the metrics.

Seems odd but I suppose the shots gained algorithm is based on 18 hole performances. At first I thought I had entered information wrong because it was showing 14 tee shots and I couldn't figure out why.

Sorry, I misunderstood the question.  Honestly in all the time I used it I never noticed it doubled the data in the shots gained metrics!  I just looked at the SG values and didn't pay attention to the # of shots.

[BMart519]

UGH. Second round with V5 and I estimate it missed more than 50% of shots. Had the V2 for 7 years for this same reason after the V3 would miss 5-10 per round and similar reviews about missed shots on the X5. Even when detecting the sensors for the first time I had to hold them extremely close to the watch and usually behind the face. When I first tried the V5 I used my existing V2 sensors and it picked them up much further away from the watch during detect process. 

So frustrating, I guess I need to take 2 practice swings or hold the club in left hand for extended period as it picked up most short game shots where I usually take 2 practice swings to feel for turf interaction. 

[MIGregB]

14 hours ago, BMart519 said:

UGH. Second round with V5 and I estimate it missed more than 50% of shots. Had the V2 for 7 years for this same reason after the V3 would miss 5-10 per round and similar reviews about missed shots on the X5. Even when detecting the sensors for the first time I had to hold them extremely close to the watch and usually behind the face. When I first tried the V5 I used my existing V2 sensors and it picked them up much further away from the watch during detect process. 

So frustrating, I guess I need to take 2 practice swings or hold the club in left hand for extended period as it picked up most short game shots where I usually take 2 practice swings to feel for turf interaction. 

I'm the 1st to admit that Shot Scope probably used early adopters as defacto beta testers, but other than it taking an inordinately long time to find a course the 1st time, my X5 has been working flawlessly all this year. It might be helpful to do a hard reset or even a factory reset to see if that clears things up. Sorry, I didn't read back pages so maybe you've already tried this. If not, give it a try.

[tony@CIC]

16 hours ago, BMart519 said:

UGH. Second round with V5 and I estimate it missed more than 50% of shots. Had the V2 for 7 years for this same reason after the V3 would miss 5-10 per round and similar reviews about missed shots on the X5. Even when detecting the sensors for the first time I had to hold them extremely close to the watch and usually behind the face. When I first tried the V5 I used my existing V2 sensors and it picked them up much further away from the watch during detect process. 

So frustrating, I guess I need to take 2 practice swings or hold the club in left hand for extended period as it picked up most short game shots where I usually take 2 practice swings to feel for turf interaction. 

So you’ve swapped out the old V2 sensors for the new ones?

[LinksgolfFever]

GREAT CUSTOMER CARE.  

This has been by far the best experience I have had with any golf company regarding item repairs/replacements.  I take good care of my equipment and feel like the age and condition of it shows that.  I just recently got a V5 to replace my V3.  I've been using it for about 3 months when last week I noticed what I thought was a mar on the bezel.  After further investigation I realised that the bezel was cracked across the whole glass.  I contacted Shot Scope and after sending a few pics of the issue, they are replacing the unit.  More over, they reimbursed me for the shipping and sent the replacement when I provided the receipt from USPS for the return.  I will be without the watch for less than a week!!!!  As a comparison my new irons, I had the head of my 5 iron come off during a round.  I contacted Callaway, they covered the return shipping but took three and a half weeks to get me the replacement....  

[Northern Monkey]

3 hours ago, LinksgolfFever said:

GREAT CUSTOMER CARE.  

This has been by far the best experience I have had with any golf company regarding item repairs/replacements.  I take good care of my equipment and feel like the age and condition of it shows that.  I just recently got a V5 to replace my V3.  I've been using it for about 3 months when last week I noticed what I thought was a mar on the bezel.  After further investigation I realised that the bezel was cracked across the whole glass.  I contacted Shot Scope and after sending a few pics of the issue, they are replacing the unit.  More over, they reimbursed me for the shipping and sent the replacement when I provided the receipt from USPS for the return.  I will be without the watch for less than a week!!!!  As a comparison my new irons, I had the head of my 5 iron come off during a round.  I contacted Callaway, they covered the return shipping but took three and a half weeks to get me the replacement....  

I’ve found the customer care from Shotscope is second to none. When I had my V3 the screw on my putter tag snapped and I contacted them to enquire how to purchase a new one. They replied by asking for my address and stating they would send one for free!

[Shapotomous]

Used the H4 last evening in a quick round and I had some quirky things happen.  I was doing a pretty good job of tagging the clubs before each shot and even remembering to do the pin collect at the pin location on the greens.  On three of the holes, I tagged the first putt location and when I went to do the pin collect with # of putts it had already moved on to the next hole.  I have never seen that happen before. 

Also when I got done the round and was looking at the data on the laptop to make some edits the location data logged for the putts, chips around the green and hole locations was way off on almost all the holes.  The location of tee shots and 2nd shots was fine, it was just around the green where it seemed the gps data was way off.  

I used it a few days ago and didn't see this issue.  Has anyone had a similar experience come up occasionally?

[CM12]

Just got an H4 a couple weeks ago, have logged five rounds on it so far.  I bought an ex-display model for $99, which I thought was a good deal.  Here's my early thoughts:

Likes:

• The data - I love looking through this stuff and seeing where in my game I need to target for improvement.
• The size - it's small enough to not be noticed, but the display is big enough to easily see the numbers.
• Multi-functionality - if I don't track my shots I still have a nice little GPS that can help dial in my distances.
• Price - the fact that they seem committed to no subscriptions is the biggest selling point for me.  I'm so sick of subscriptions for everything, I'm happy to support a company that doesn't do that.

Dislikes/things I'd change in an updated version of the H4 or to the Shot Scope platform:

• Battery life - it's plenty good enough for a round, and probably good enough for two.  But if you forget to charge it and have played a long round, you might not make it through your next round (happened once to me).
• Non-standard charger - please just put a USB-C charger on this thing so I can at least use a mobile battery bank on the course if need be.  The claw charger they have is somewhat finicky.
• GPS accuracy for distances? - not sure if this is an issue or not.  There have been times when my 18 birdies GPS was substantially different from the H4, and my range finder seemed to validate the 18 birdies more than the H4.  Other times things have been pretty accurate.
• GPS accuracy for putting - I'm sure I don't understand all the tech behind of making an accurate GPS, but if there is any way to improve this for the shot capture that would be awesome.  For shots from the fairway, tee, rough, etc., it seems close enough.  After all, +/- 1-3 yards probably doesn't throw your data off that much.  However, when it comes to putting, 1-3 yards has a huge impact on your putt distance and whether you miss right, left, long, short.  I think my putting data (other than number of putts) is likely not all that reliable.
• Step counter - ok this one is totally unnecessary, but it would be nice!
• Ability to edit data mid-round on the app - so many times I've forgotten to log my punch shot, or forgot to collect the pin, or didn't tag my drive.  I know I can edit the data after the round, but sometimes I have a hard time remembering if I'm missing a shot or not.  It'd be so nice if I could just add the shot on the app mid round.
• More powerful magnet - I guess I've never had the device fall off my belt or fall of a cart, but the magnet doesn't feel all that strong.  A more powerful magnet would simply put my mind at ease.
• Handicap - I'm thinking something like what 8 birdies does.  If Shot Scope could calculate an unofficial handicap they could maybe give insights on how you played compared to your exact handicap instead of the 0, 5, 10 benchmarks.

 

Overall, I don't regret buying the H4 at all and plan to use it for a long time.  I'm excited to build out the data for my game - it should be interesting to see what it all looks like after 20-30 rounds logged on it. 

[NCDuffer]

I’m wanting a V5, but I keep reading here and think I’ll keep my V3 until it dies.  Honestly I turn it on, start round, and golf.  I even use auto for putts.  On a bad day it might miss a putt/shot, maybe 2.  I played nine Sunday and I had to add a penalty and adjust a few putts.  My only gripe is it takes a while to acquire the satellites.

[BMart519]

On 5/31/2024 at 11:43 AM, tony@CIC said:

So you’ve swapped out the old V2 sensors for the new ones?

I have used both. It seems to detect more shots when I used the old V2 sensors however. When I use the "Detect Sensors" function on the watch, it is noticeably faster to detect the V2 sensors and they are picked up farther away from the watch than the V5 sensors. 

[tony@CIC]

14 minutes ago, BMart519 said:

I have used both. It seems to detect more shots when I used the old V2 sensors however. When I use the "Detect Sensors" function on the watch, it is noticeably faster to detect the V2 sensors and they are picked up farther away from the watch than the V5 sensors. 

Fascinating - I would have figured the opposite. 

[Darryl]

On 6/4/2024 at 12:26 PM, CM12 said:

Just got an H4 a couple weeks ago, have logged five rounds on it so far.  I bought an ex-display model for $99, which I thought was a good deal.  Here's my early thoughts:

Likes:

• The data - I love looking through this stuff and seeing where in my game I need to target for improvement.
• The size - it's small enough to not be noticed, but the display is big enough to easily see the numbers.
• Multi-functionality - if I don't track my shots I still have a nice little GPS that can help dial in my distances.
• Price - the fact that they seem committed to no subscriptions is the biggest selling point for me.  I'm so sick of subscriptions for everything, I'm happy to support a company that doesn't do that.

Dislikes/things I'd change in an updated version of the H4 or to the Shot Scope platform:

• Battery life - it's plenty good enough for a round, and probably good enough for two.  But if you forget to charge it and have played a long round, you might not make it through your next round (happened once to me).
• Non-standard charger - please just put a USB-C charger on this thing so I can at least use a mobile battery bank on the course if need be.  The claw charger they have is somewhat finicky.
• GPS accuracy for distances? - not sure if this is an issue or not.  There have been times when my 18 birdies GPS was substantially different from the H4, and my range finder seemed to validate the 18 birdies more than the H4.  Other times things have been pretty accurate.
• GPS accuracy for putting - I'm sure I don't understand all the tech behind of making an accurate GPS, but if there is any way to improve this for the shot capture that would be awesome.  For shots from the fairway, tee, rough, etc., it seems close enough.  After all, +/- 1-3 yards probably doesn't throw your data off that much.  However, when it comes to putting, 1-3 yards has a huge impact on your putt distance and whether you miss right, left, long, short.  I think my putting data (other than number of putts) is likely not all that reliable.
• Step counter - ok this one is totally unnecessary, but it would be nice!
• Ability to edit data mid-round on the app - so many times I've forgotten to log my punch shot, or forgot to collect the pin, or didn't tag my drive.  I know I can edit the data after the round, but sometimes I have a hard time remembering if I'm missing a shot or not.  It'd be so nice if I could just add the shot on the app mid round.
• More powerful magnet - I guess I've never had the device fall off my belt or fall of a cart, but the magnet doesn't feel all that strong.  A more powerful magnet would simply put my mind at ease.
• Handicap - I'm thinking something like what 8 birdies does.  If Shot Scope could calculate an unofficial handicap they could maybe give insights on how you played compared to your exact handicap instead of the 0, 5, 10 benchmarks.

 

Overall, I don't regret buying the H4 at all and plan to use it for a long time.  I'm excited to build out the data for my game - it should be interesting to see what it all looks like after 20-30 rounds logged on it. 

Nice review! I’ve had the V3, X5, and currently loving my new V5. From everything I’ve read, the +\- 3 yards for GPS is not going to change anytime soon. We all just need to get really good at remembering those putting distances and pin placements if we want accurate putting stats.

[DaveNC]

I just got my new H4 last night and have it set up just fine (based on what I know). I have a couple of 'getting started questions' that I might well be able to answer myself if I was on a golf course instead of my living room.  

1) I noticed that the device (after I hit "PLAY") chose what is probably the closest course to my home. I was expecting to be able to choose a course. I play a number of clubs and in a couple of cases the first tees of two different courses are quite close together and the area where you would typically 'mill around' waiting to start your round is not clearly closest to one or the other. If I start the device before I get on the first tee and it picks the wrong course, it looks like I must end the round and start again (this time closer to my selected tee/course). Is that right? 

2) My putting methodology is going to be to keep my own putting stats on the score card. GPS (IMHO) simply is not accurate enough to do this well. So I am thinking that I will just mark my first putt via my putter tag, hit the # of putts when I am done, mark the pin, and move on. The difference between auto and manual putting is not clear to me. Which mode should I be in? Should I be doing something else here? 

3) I have a second set of clubs that I leave at my brother's house (a plane trip away) so that I don't have to drag clubs around when I visit him.  How do I deal with this inside ShotScope? Does every single (for example) 7i tag have a unique RFID code? If so I guess I missed a step when I set up my bag as I don't recall tagging my clubs in that process. 

Thanks for the help. BTW, this forum would seem to be a very valuable resource. 

dave

[cnosil]

9 minutes ago, DaveNC said:

I just got my new H4 last night and have it set up just fine (based on what I know). I have a couple of 'getting started questions' that I might well be able to answer myself if I was on a golf course instead of my living room.  

1) I noticed that the device (after I hit "PLAY") chose what is probably the closest course to my home. I was expecting to be able to choose a course. I play a number of clubs and in a couple of cases the first tees of two different courses are quite close together and the area where you would typically 'mill around' waiting to start your round is not clearly closest to one or the other. If I start the device before I get on the first tee and it picks the wrong course, it looks like I must end the round and start again (this time closer to my selected tee/course). Is that right? 

2) My putting methodology is going to be to keep my own putting stats on the score card. GPS (IMHO) simply is not accurate enough to do this well. So I am thinking that I will just mark my first putt via my putter tag, hit the # of putts when I am done, mark the pin, and move on. The difference between auto and manual putting is not clear to me. Which mode should I be in? Should I be doing something else here? 

3) I have a second set of clubs that I leave at my brother's house (a plane trip away) so that I don't have to drag clubs around when I visit him.  How do I deal with this inside ShotScope? Does every single (for example) 7i tag have a unique RFID code? If so I guess I missed a step when I set up my bag as I don't recall tagging my clubs in that process. 

Thanks for the help. BTW, this forum would seem to be a very valuable resource. 

dave

1:  The h4 will list the courses that you are close to.  You just have to use the buttons to scroll to the course you are playing.  It does not chose the course automatically.

2. The  h4 is a little different than the other devices.  If auto putting you tap the putter tag to the device.  In manual putting you press a button on the H4 to mark the putt location.   Manual is good for people that have putter grips that don't accomodate the tag like superstroke.  I use auto mode, tag each putt, and then adjust the putt and pin location via the dashboard.  it does help to mark down the distances.

3: In the dashboard you setup the club that has each tag.  If you have a second set,  you will need to change the active clubs via the dashboard so it marks the data to the correct set.   They do not have unique RFID codes.  

[DaveNC]

9 hours ago, cnosil said:

1:  The h4 will list the courses that you are close to.  You just have to use the buttons to scroll to the course you are playing.  It does not chose the course automatically.

2. The  h4 is a little different than the other devices.  If auto putting you tap the putter tag to the device.  In manual putting you press a button on the H4 to mark the putt location.   Manual is good for people that have putter grips that don't accomodate the tag like superstroke.  I use auto mode, tag each putt, and then adjust the putt and pin location via the dashboard.  it does help to mark down the distances.

3: In the dashboard you setup the club that has each tag.  If you have a second set,  you will need to change the active clubs via the dashboard so it marks the data to the correct set.   They do not have unique RFID codes.  

Thanks. That is helpful.  dave

[tony@CIC]

22 minutes ago, DaveNC said:

Thanks. That is helpful.  dave

Dave,

 

In the app there is a selection for courses - you can select the courses you want downloaded to the app but equally important is to see if there are any updates to the courses. If there are you'll want to sync the updates to the device. 

[DaveNC]

1 hour ago, tony@CIC said:

Dave,

 

In the app there is a selection for courses - you can select the courses you want downloaded to the app but equally important is to see if there are any updates to the courses. If there are you'll want to sync the updates to the device. 

Thanks - I assume that is what I did when I 'JOINED' several of the courses that I play regularly. Is that right? 

dave

[cnosil]

8 minutes ago, DaveNC said:

Thanks - I assume that is what I did when I 'JOINED' several of the courses that I play regularly. Is that right? 

dave

Don’t know what you mean by “joined”.   When you are in the dashboard, go to the courses option and find your local courses and “subscribe” to them.  When there are updates it will tell you that they are ready to sync.    
 

uodate: no, it isnt joined, that is the course hub feature not the course update feature. 

Edited June 12 by cnosil

[DaveNC]

17 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Don’t know what you mean by “joined”.   When you are in the dashboard, go to the courses option and find your local courses and “subscribe” to them.  When there are updates it will tell you that they are ready to sync.    
 

uodate: no, it isnt joined, that is the course hub feature not the course update feature. 

Got it - thanks. dave

[DaveNC]

2 hours ago, cnosil said:

Don’t know what you mean by “joined”.   When you are in the dashboard, go to the courses option and find your local courses and “subscribe” to them.  When there are updates it will tell you that they are ready to sync.    
 

uodate: no, it isnt joined, that is the course hub feature not the course update feature. 

"Join" is whatever this is - note the 'Join' and 'Leave' options. I get here from the Course Hub option on my ShotScope app on Android. dave

 

[cnosil]

35 minutes ago, DaveNC said:

"Join" is whatever this is - note the 'Join' and 'Leave' options. I get here from the Course Hub option on my ShotScope app on Android. dave

 

Yep, found it after I responded,  it is a feature  don’t use. 

[DaveNC]

1 hour ago, cnosil said:

Yep, found it after I responded,  it is a feature  don’t use. 

You seem to be pretty deep into this device. So if you don't know - I think that says something. Thanks for the help. 

dave

[DaveNC]

Here is an 'interesting' tale as to how I got into ShotScope and my H4. I was looking for an alternative to manual recording of shot data and I did not want to add another device to my wrist. So I rejected ShotScope because I was unaware of the H4. 

I have a SkyCaddie SX400 and with a few keystrokes I could log shot information. That was not great but potentially acceptable. Then I ran into an interesting issue. My practice was to just record shots until I got to the green. Putting was recorded manually. Per SkyGolf if you don't enter any putts (or 0 in the case of a hole out yielding no putts) then the round is unfinished. And they won't sync unfinished rounds. 

That unfinished round thing was not a big deal - just finish it off the course and sync it. HOWEVER, if you mistakenly try to sync an unfinished round the round does not sync (even though it tells you that it was sync'ed). Unfortunately it gets recorded on your device as having been synced and so the data is unavailable to you on the device and unavailable on your dashboard. In a nutshell they destroyed your data (verified with SkyGolf CS). And they did not view this as a bug but a 'user error'. So that was the end of my SkyGolf relationship. 

Garmin has some interesting options (as I could combine their golf tracking capabilities into a watch that met my fitness tracking requirements). But the data that they record does NOT include how far you are from the green/pin. It only saves the location of each shot. So much for Garmin. 

I rejected ARCCOS simply because I read too many stories about shot detection problems and the entry cost is quite high considering that there are also (relatively steep) annual fees. 

So here I am at ShotScope and probably would have stopped here first had I just know about the H4. 

dave