Headhammer Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Another Atlanta area golf course has fallen victim to developers as The Oaks course will be turned into a mixed used live/work community. This was one of the last reasonably priced muni's in the Atlanta metro area. It was on the short side, but the layout was fun and I always enjoyed my rounds there. Cheap Atlanta area golf is getting harder and harder to find. This is the 3rd Atlanta area course to close and become a housing development since I moved to Georgia. . Rickp, MattF, sirchunksalot and 4 others 7 Quote Driver: Speed Zone 9* HZRDUS Smoke Yellow Shaft 3 Wood: King Speedzone 13.5* HZRDUS Smoke Black Shaft 2 & 3 Hybrids: Speedzone Recoil 480 ESX Shaft Irons: Speedzone 5-GW Recoil 460 ESX Shafts Wedges: PM Grind 54* & 58* Putter: Dual Force Rossi II Ball: Whatever I find in the woods HCP:18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnomeOfZurich Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) I played my first round of golf at The Oaks Course in 1996. Edited January 17, 2022 by GnomeOfZurich fixyurdivot, tony@CIC and Headhammer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuka44 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 9:10 AM, Headhammer said: Another Atlanta area golf course has fallen victim to developers No, no, its a good thing. If you listen to the "experts", "only" around 100 courses were expected to close in 2021. Its demand for golf, leveling with the supply of courses. RIGHT!! But its inexpensive Muni's that comprise almost all of the closures. The article I read actually tried to put a positive spin on "only 100 courses were going to close" It wasn't 164 like the year before, so that is good right. I don't live in the area but travel there to golf, Farmstead in North Myrtle area closed also. Maybe in 2022, ONLY 95 INEXPENSIVE MUNI'S WILL CLOSE! Everyone hurts, and probably not in my time, but 30 years from now, probably have to be a member somewhere, in order to play. I sure hope the golf experts are right about their seeming indifference to course closures. fixyurdivot 1 Quote Driver: Cobra King Speedzone Irons: Mavrik 4-GW Wedges: CG-14 56 & RTX 52 Hybrid: Callaway Apex Pro 2H Woods: Gigagolf 3W, Putter: Ping Scottsdale Wolverine Ball: Srixon Z-Star XV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 It's a bummer reading about these closures and trend; particularly if most are city/county owned courses under their parks & recreation umbrella. This is certainly NOT making golf more accessible (as in affordable) to a good many. This is really bad since so much effort (i.e. First Tee, etc.) has gone into getting more kids, many from lower income households, into golf. Headhammer, tony@CIC, WFWP91 and 1 other 4 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaDawg Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Atlanta is not a place someone wants to plan a golf trip to. Terrible public golf, traffic is the worst and crime is right up there with Chicago. Just my opinion. tony@CIC, TheOther1, Tyler86 and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: TSI3 - 10*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Driver: Qi10 - 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.0 Stiff 3 Wood: Qi10 - 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD DJ5 Stiff 5 Wood: Qi10 - Ventus TR Reg Irons: 5 - PW T150, with Nippon Zelos 7 Reg, 4 iron - U505 with Project X HZRDUS Black Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM 9 - 50*, 60* Standard Wedge Shafts Wedge: Milled Grind 3 MG3 56* S200 shaft Putter: Studio Select Newport 1.5 Putter: Phantom X 5.5 Ball: Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headhammer Posted February 21, 2022 Author Share Posted February 21, 2022 10 hours ago, GaDawg said: Atlanta is not a place someone wants to plan a golf trip to. Terrible public golf, traffic is the worst and crime is right up there with Chicago. Just my opinion. I don't think anyone "plans" a golf trip to ATL, but having the busiest airport in the world people flying in/out a look for a place to play while in town. Additionally, during Masters week thousands of golfers are looking for places to play between the airport and Augusta. I don't disagree that the unbearable traffic & increased crime make it less desirable, and if I have to go west of Conyers I go kicking and screaming. GaDawg and tony@CIC 2 Quote Driver: Speed Zone 9* HZRDUS Smoke Yellow Shaft 3 Wood: King Speedzone 13.5* HZRDUS Smoke Black Shaft 2 & 3 Hybrids: Speedzone Recoil 480 ESX Shaft Irons: Speedzone 5-GW Recoil 460 ESX Shafts Wedges: PM Grind 54* & 58* Putter: Dual Force Rossi II Ball: Whatever I find in the woods HCP:18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscipleofPenick Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just for comparisons sake, Cleveland Ohio had our 'armageddon' back in 2018. That year we lost about 20 public courses and 1 or 2 clubs. This off-season, we lost two courses. One was a Stanley Thompson design that is becoming an Amazon warehouse. That one stings. The other is a 36 hole course that is rerouting their old course and changing to 27 holes. There was a huge quality difference between the old and the new. Their new course is one of the nicest conditions around, but the old course they let go into a hack around with serious drainage issues close to a decade ago. tony@CIC and Headhammer 2 Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaDawg Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Headhammer said: I don't think anyone "plans" a golf trip to ATL, but having the busiest airport in the world people flying in/out a look for a place to play while in town. Additionally, during Masters week thousands of golfers are looking for places to play between the airport and Augusta. I don't disagree that the unbearable traffic & increased crime make it less desirable, and if I have to go west of Conyers I go kicking and screaming. Most people that come in for the Masters, schedule golf northeast or east of Atlanta. Lake Oconee @ Reynolds (4-5 courses), Cuscowilla on Lake Oconee, Athens area, etc. Headhammer and tony@CIC 2 Quote Driver: TSI3 - 10*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Driver: Qi10 - 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.0 Stiff 3 Wood: Qi10 - 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD DJ5 Stiff 5 Wood: Qi10 - Ventus TR Reg Irons: 5 - PW T150, with Nippon Zelos 7 Reg, 4 iron - U505 with Project X HZRDUS Black Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM 9 - 50*, 60* Standard Wedge Shafts Wedge: Milled Grind 3 MG3 56* S200 shaft Putter: Studio Select Newport 1.5 Putter: Phantom X 5.5 Ball: Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headhammer Posted February 21, 2022 Author Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 hours ago, GaDawg said: Most people that come in for the Masters, schedule golf northeast or east of Atlanta. Lake Oconee @ Reynolds (4-5 courses), Cuscowilla on Lake Oconee, Athens area, etc. First time I came to the Masters, when I lived in DC, we played White Columns and Heritage Golf Club before heading to Augusta. tony@CIC, TheOther1 and GnomeOfZurich 3 Quote Driver: Speed Zone 9* HZRDUS Smoke Yellow Shaft 3 Wood: King Speedzone 13.5* HZRDUS Smoke Black Shaft 2 & 3 Hybrids: Speedzone Recoil 480 ESX Shaft Irons: Speedzone 5-GW Recoil 460 ESX Shafts Wedges: PM Grind 54* & 58* Putter: Dual Force Rossi II Ball: Whatever I find in the woods HCP:18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Locally, we've lost four that I can recall over the past three years and another is closing soon. Two closed up right before COVID, one closed during 2020 and another closed after the 2020 season. Another just sold out this past offseason and 2022 will be its last season. I believe all five have been or will be developed into subdivisions. Michigan obviously has/had a glut of courses compared to many areas, but the "affordable" and beginner-friendly ones are getting tougher to find. One of those that closed before 2020 was a favorite of my college roommate and mine. It was something like $12 for nine holes with a cart, and each time you went around they'd charge you less and less. I think we did 27 or 36 holes once, by the last time we went around they charged us like $2. It wasn't a nice course by any means but golf is golf! Another was a well-maintained par 60 executive that was great for people learning the game. It takes a ton of work to maintain these courses and most of these closures are just from people who were tired of the hours and scraping by financially, unfortunately. The one that is closing soon has been doing great business but the owners want to retire and no one in their family wants to run it as a course. Naturally, it's worth a ton more as developable land than as a course. I worry about my course. Thankfully the owner is mid-30s and seems to love what he does. It is also not particularly valuable land (literal farmland not that close to anything huge) at the moment, but that can change as more people seem to be building mansions in the middle of no where around here. It's getting tougher to swallow watching these courses close because many rounds around here are now $50+ with a cart. A course I grew up near (and has now unfortunately been featured multiple times by the friggin' Fried Egg) is up to $48 to walk on a peak season weekend. tony@CIC and Headhammer 2 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 3.6 / Anti-Cap: 9.9 (Last Updated Sept. 1, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdennish Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Love my private course up in Cartersville, Cartersville Country Club. Some of the best greens in the state. 2 of Golf Digest top teachers in the Nation are out of CCC. You always see PGA, LPGA and Korn Ferry players out at the course. Hidden gem, I have been a member for almost 25 years. tony@CIC, fozcycle, Headhammer and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 Driver with ACCURA Senior flex, 42.5 grams Ping G415 3 Wood Callaway Epic 5 Wood Ping G415 22* Hybrid Sub70 699 irons Aerotech Steel Fiber I70 graphite shafts an NO1 50 grips Sub70 286 Forged wedges 54* and 60* Scotty Cameron Phantom X putter with oversized Sweet Rollz grip True Pro Lux and True Links Knit shoes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGolfHacker Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 It's tough to see courses go, especially if you have an emotional attachment to them. We've had our fair share of courses close in Maryland. Hopefully we won't lose any more. MDGolfHacker Headhammer and tony@CIC 2 Quote What's In This Lefty's Bag? Driver: TSR2 11° Project X HZRDUS Black 4G 60g 5.5 Flex Fairway Woods: F8 3W Project X Even Flow Blue 75g shaft Fairway Woods: Hybrid: TSR2 18° Graphite Design Tour AD DI-85 Shaft Irons: 2021 T200's 4-GW AMT RED shafts Regular Flex Wedge: Tour Satin RTX 4 Wedges in 52° and 56° 2 Dot Putter: Gray Matter TDP 2.2 32.75" Bag: Three 5 Ball: PRO V1x / Z*Star RangeFinder: Titan Elite Social Media: Facebook: MD Golfhacker Twitter: @mdgolfhacker Instagram: mdgolfhacker Current MyGolfSpy Review - Precision Pro Titan Elite Rangefinder: https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/64979-testers-announced-precision-pro-titan-elite/?do=findComment&comment=1082733 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bears1 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, edingc said: Locally, we've lost four that I can recall over the past three years and another is closing soon. Two closed up right before COVID, one closed during 2020 and another closed after the 2020 season. Another just sold out this past offseason and 2022 will be its last season. I believe all five have been or will be developed into subdivisions. Michigan obviously has/had a glut of courses compared to many areas, but the "affordable" and beginner-friendly ones are getting tougher to find. One of those that closed before 2020 was a favorite of my college roommate and mine. It was something like $12 for nine holes with a cart, and each time you went around they'd charge you less and less. I think we did 27 or 36 holes once, by the last time we went around they charged us like $2. It wasn't a nice course by any means but golf is golf! Another was a well-maintained par 60 executive that was great for people learning the game. It takes a ton of work to maintain these courses and most of these closures are just from people who were tired of the hours and scraping by financially, unfortunately. The one that is closing soon has been doing great business but the owners want to retire and no one in their family wants to run it as a course. Naturally, it's worth a ton more as developable land than as a course. I worry about my course. Thankfully the owner is mid-30s and seems to love what he does. It is also not particularly valuable land (literal farmland not that close to anything huge) at the moment, but that can change as more people seem to be building mansions in the middle of no where around here. It's getting tougher to swallow watching these courses close because many rounds around here are now $50+ with a cart. A course I grew up near (and has now unfortunately been featured multiple times by the friggin' Fried Egg) is up to $48 to walk on a peak season weekend. You hit it right on the head. It's all economics. One application of fertilizer on an average course is somewhere around $16k. Course are not cheap to run and people don't want to pay greens fees that will support all the expenses and a reasonable profit for the owners. I worked at a course in north Georgia that was barely breaking even for those exact reasons. It had been owned by the same two individuals for many years. When they finally decided to sell, golf course management companies were offerring them pennies on the dollar compared to real estate developers for the property. They would have loved to sell it so that it stayed as a golf course, but financially it didn't make sense. Developers had the land cleared within weeks of the closing. Edited February 21, 2022 by Bears1 spelling tony@CIC, GaDawg and Headhammer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaDawg Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 4 hours ago, jdennish said: Love my private course up in Cartersville, Cartersville Country Club. Some of the best greens in the state. 2 of Golf Digest top teachers in the Nation are out of CCC. You always see PGA, LPGA and Korn Ferry players out at the course. Hidden gem, I have been a member for almost 25 years. I have heard a lot of great things about your course. I lived in Marietta for 12 years, but never had the opportunity to play it. tony@CIC and Headhammer 2 Quote Driver: TSI3 - 10*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Driver: Qi10 - 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.0 Stiff 3 Wood: Qi10 - 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD DJ5 Stiff 5 Wood: Qi10 - Ventus TR Reg Irons: 5 - PW T150, with Nippon Zelos 7 Reg, 4 iron - U505 with Project X HZRDUS Black Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM 9 - 50*, 60* Standard Wedge Shafts Wedge: Milled Grind 3 MG3 56* S200 shaft Putter: Studio Select Newport 1.5 Putter: Phantom X 5.5 Ball: Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaMike Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 On 1/19/2022 at 2:12 PM, stuka44 said: ... probably not in my time, but 30 years from now, probably have to be a member somewhere, in order to play. I sure hope the golf experts are right about their seeming indifference to course closures. I totally agree, I think it will go full circle. Courses will start to become members only because financially it makes sense. Then when prices get too high someone will see the opportunity to open a more affordable course, see profits and others will follow suite. The same trend is occurring in Canada as valuable land is being converted from golf courses to mixed use developments, most of our cities are in support of it because it reduces urban sprawl. Headhammer and tony@CIC 2 Quote Avid recreational golfer with a 9 handicap, looking to make major equipment upgrades this year Cobra Speed Pro X 10.5° with Aldila VS Proto 65g shaft Cobra S2 3-Wood 15° with Fujikura Regular flex 65g shaft Founders Club Hybrids (3 & 4) and Irons (5-PW) with Regular shaft 50° and 56° CG14 with Zip Groves and 8° & 11° bounce with Wedge Flex shaft 60° REG.588 Tour Action with Wedge Flex shaft TaylorMade Ghost TM 110 Putter 34" Undecided on what Golf Ball to use this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandyland Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Not to totally derail this topic but I think as land continues to get more valuable, courses need to figure out how they can preserve or increase their margins without over pricing the golf course. Labor costs are currently skyrocketing in every industry so golf courses will need to figure out how to maintain a course with less people. CAVEAT: I have never worked in golf course maintenance or management. However, to me, it seems like a lot of time, effort and money go into bunkering. And specifically fairway bunkers with large lips and tons of sand. To me, most courses should just have waste areas where there is just sand pack (especially under trees where grass cannot typically grow anyway). Keeping bunkers pristine and full of sand takes a ton of work and when the bunkers go downhill it's very noticeable and leads to tons of bad reviews for your golf course. Here in Nashville, most of the public golf courses are built in heavy flood zones so they aren't taking up developable land. Yes, it leads to soggy conditions but it's how we are able to have 4 pretty decent municipals (we have other municipal golf courses that are quite poor). Most of those courses do not have complicated bunkering but many of the traps around the greens have fallen into some disrepair. I would be good with letting them grass in some of them or just play the bunkers as waste areas where you can ground your club but knowing they will not be full of sand. The risk there is that, since the courses are in flood plains, the waste sand turns to mud. Just a thought but a golf course ultimately has to make money and to do that they have to maintain or increase their margin. I would think that most affordable golf courses that are at risk of getting developed should simplify their layouts. If you want to go play a course with deep bunkers everywhere go play a resort course that is propped up by huge greens fees and a large hospitality corporation. Just my opinion. WiTerp50 1 Quote STZ 230 9.5* / Pro Fli-Hi 21* MALTBY TS1-IM 5-GW Equalizer II 54* / Carnoustie 60* L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 HackMotion Official Review -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I read a news article about a month ago (Golf Digest?), that last year there was a much lower percentage of golf course turnover to development than in pervious years. But it wasn't but a week later that I also read that the California legislature want to push conversion of munis to housing. Headhammer, fixyurdivot and GaDawg 2 1 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 43 minutes ago, tony@CIC said: I read a news article about a month ago (Golf Digest?), that last year there was a much lower percentage of golf course turnover to development than in pervious years. But it wasn't but a week later that I also read that the California legislature want to push conversion of munis to housing. So basically golf in CA moving towards private courses which, following the supply & demand model, will yield to higher prices and less opportunity for those living on more limited incomes. How does that square with growing the game and getting minorities more involved? I doubt the carbon footprint of all those houses will be less than the golf courses, so there must be some other motivation? Like baseball fields, tennis and basketball courts, playgrounds, dog parks, picnic areas, etc., that make up a city or counties parks & recreation holdings, it seems like golf is just getting the short end of the stick when it comes to these decisions. tony@CIC and DiscipleofPenick 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 16 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: So basically golf in CA moving towards private courses which, following the supply & demand model, will yield to higher prices and less opportunity for those living on more limited incomes. How does that square with growing the game and getting minorities more involved? I doubt the carbon footprint of all those houses will be less than the golf courses, so there must be some other motivation? Like baseball fields, tennis and basketball courts, playgrounds, dog parks, picnic areas, etc., that make up a city or counties parks & recreation holdings, it seems like golf is just getting the short end of the stick when it comes to these decisions. A lot of nuance in here but they are wanting the land for houses. There is a housing shortage but taking golf is not the way to go about it. It was shot down before it made its way through but it will be back and it will be a fight for sure. fixyurdivot 1 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 30 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said: A lot of nuance in here but they are wanting the land for houses. There is a housing shortage but taking golf is not the way to go about it. It was shot down before it made its way through but it will be back and it will be a fight for sure. I'll bet they're looking at RE tax potential - most likely more $$ from houses then golf course land. Bears1 1 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 28 minutes ago, tony@CIC said: I'll bet they're looking at RE tax potential - most likely more $$ from houses then golf course land. Of course it's all about the dollar. And even if it passes not all muni's will be gone, they are just removing their carve out and allow development of the land. I am not going to pretend that there isn't a housing shortage however like most things the powers that be are not attacking the correct way. Hell if they keep going with the water they way they are and the drought continues there will be so much land available to build on it will make your head spin. With that scenario everyone in the world will be paying outrageous prices for food so there will be no money for golf anyway. tony@CIC 1 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Having lived in CA in the 70's and early 80', with absolutely no interest in doing so again, I'm not sure why this interests me save for the fact that I love golf and don't like the trend. That a bill aimed at "all" public owned golf courses was even drafted for consideration is lunacy. We're not talking about a particular course where the trade study pencils out and clearly justifies a closure, but rather a carte-blanche, they serve no purpose/value decision. Bill proposes all California municipal golf courses convert to housing (usatoday.com) Headhammer and tony@CIC 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 5 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: Having lived in CA in the 70's and early 80', with absolutely no interest in doing so again, I'm not sure why this interests me save for the fact that I love golf and don't like the trend. That a bill aimed at "all" public owned golf courses was even drafted for consideration is lunacy. We're not talking about a particular course where the trade study pencils out and clearly justifies a closure, but rather a carte-blanche, they serve no purpose/value decision. Bill proposes all California municipal golf courses convert to housing (usatoday.com) That was last year. Do we know what the current status is? tony@CIC 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidLPS Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 11 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: Having lived in CA in the 70's and early 80', with absolutely no interest in doing so again, I'm not sure why this interests me save for the fact that I love golf and don't like the trend. That a bill aimed at "all" public owned golf courses was even drafted for consideration is lunacy. We're not talking about a particular course where the trade study pencils out and clearly justifies a closure, but rather a carte-blanche, they serve no purpose/value decision. Bill proposes all California municipal golf courses convert to housing (usatoday.com) I live in Los Angeles and it is practically impossible to secure a tee time (even for a single) on any of the decent LA municipal courses. It is all about the $$$. City “leaders” want to convert to homeless housing. Imagine historic Rancho Park GC, formerly site of the LA Open prior to it being move to Riviera CC converted to a homeless shelter full of drug-addicted, mentally ill people, with feces everywhere. LA is a joke and spiraling downward which at this point is hard to do. fixyurdivot and tony@CIC 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 15 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: Having lived in CA in the 70's and early 80', with absolutely no interest in doing so again, I'm not sure why this interests me save for the fact that I love golf and don't like the trend. That a bill aimed at "all" public owned golf courses was even drafted for consideration is lunacy. We're not talking about a particular course where the trade study pencils out and clearly justifies a closure, but rather a carte-blanche, they serve no purpose/value decision. Bill proposes all California municipal golf courses convert to housing (usatoday.com) Probably based on the inaccurate perception that golf is an elitist activity and the muni's serve only the 'well to do' Bears1, fixyurdivot and THEZIPR23 3 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 11 hours ago, Kenny B said: That was last year. Do we know what the current status is? @THEZIPR23responded above that the bill never got traction but that it's likely to resurface. I'd bet money on the latter. THEZIPR23 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 54 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said: @THEZIPR23responded above that the bill never got traction but that it's likely to resurface. I'd bet money on the latter. Found this article... https://www.desertsun.com/story/sports/golf/2022/01/29/california-bill-ab-672-convert-municipal-golf-courses-affordable-housing-could-re-filed/9241307002/ I just don't see Torrey Pines or anything in the Palm Springs area that brings in tourists being turned into affordable housing. THEZIPR23 and fixyurdivot 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, Kenny B said: Found this article... https://www.desertsun.com/story/sports/golf/2022/01/29/california-bill-ab-672-convert-municipal-golf-courses-affordable-housing-could-re-filed/9241307002/ I just don't see Torrey Pines or anything in the Palm Springs area that brings in tourists being turned into affordable housing. Well, that may be great for the Palm Springs area but what about the average Joe living near the major city areas? I mean if it's about providing low income housing, why not Palm Springs (rhetorical)? This is the inconsistency (and overt hypocrisy) in these type arguments that bother me. Anyway, don't want to head down the politics path so I'll just say that I hope course closures anywhere around the country are few and far between. Kenny B 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GivMeADouble Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 On 2/21/2022 at 3:28 PM, jdennish said: Love my private course up in Cartersville, Cartersville Country Club. Some of the best greens in the state. 2 of Golf Digest top teachers in the Nation are out of CCC. You always see PGA, LPGA and Korn Ferry players out at the course. Hidden gem, I have been a member for almost 25 years. How much does that membership cost? Nothing us regular folk can pay. Quote Callaway Epic Flash 10.5 project x LZ 60 6.0 handcrafted shaft CallawayEpic Flash 3 wood Callaway Big Bertha 3H Titleist 818H2 4H Callaway Big Bertha 19' irons 4-AW Titleist SM7 Jet black with TT onyx black s400 shaft 50° Callaway MD4 black 54° sand wedge Callaway PM19 60° tour grey Odyssey Toulon San Diego putter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kocher Clamp Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Some people did parents did better than others. I grew up poor never been to a country club never played the game until I got out of the marine corps. I all ways though,that country club people always had somebody do their dirty work for them. Quote Ping G 400 Max 10.5 willwood irons 4 to pitching wedge Edisonwedges 49 53 57 taylormade big toe 60 Toulon design Las Vegas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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