CbusGolf Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 For driver fitting specifically, what’s the better option: indoors on a simulator or outdoors with a launch monitor? Advantage to indoors is you can use a new make/model of your ball of choice, but you don’t get “real weather” results. Outdoors, you are in the real world, but probably hitting old range balls. Anyone’s thoughts would be appreciated. tony@CIC 1 Quote Link to comment
cnosil Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Probably most important to hit gamer balls. Both will leverage launch monitors. Some people don't swing well indoors so outdoors would be better. Weather influenced results should be ignored. IMO, the only advantage to outdoors is you can see the actual ball flight. MIGregB, Swood1994, Golf Dawg and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
MattF Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Outdoors for me. I want to see the actual ball flight. tony@CIC and DiscipleofPenick 2 Quote In the bag: Driver: Darkspeed X 9° UST Mamiya LIN-Q M40X Blue 7F4 Fairway: Apex UW 19° & 21° Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Black 5.5 Irons: JPX 923 HMP 5-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Wedges: T-22 Denim Copper 48°, 52° & 56° UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Putter Sycamore 005 Wide Blade Bag: Fairway 14 stand bag Balls: Chrome Tour Cart: CaddyLite ONE Ver. 8 God Bless America, God save the King, God defend New Zealand and thank Christ for Australia! Link to comment
GolfSpy_APH Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Always prefer outdoor when possible! tony@CIC and Swood1994 2 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment
AusGreg Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Indoor fitting using trackman to narrow down shaft choices, the field testing the two favourites. tony@CIC and CFreddie 2 Quote Paradym Driver 9 set to 8 degrees Paradym 4-AW NS Pro stiff 950 shafts Callaway Jaws wedges 52,56,60 Scotty Putter Titleist Pro V1 Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Individual preference. Some have issues swing indoors and change their swing, others don’t. Some want to see ball flight others don’t. Indoors is controlled environment. MIGregB and tdroma98 2 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
Nunfa0 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 For Driver I don't mind, I seem to go better in a bay at a range though. For irons I much prefer outdoors on grass. Franc38 and MIGregB 2 Quote In my cart Bag: Driver: King F9 9° - LH - Atmos Blue TS 6 Stiff Woods: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue 7 Reg Z U85 2 Iron Irons: T200 4 Iron AMT White S300 T100S - LH - 3-48* - AMT White S300 Wedges: Indi FLX- LH - 52° 56° 60° - True Temper Spinner Wedge shafts Putter: 2 Bar Hybrid Ball: Pro V1x Testing: Haywood CB/MB Combo Iron Set, 4-7 Cavity backs, 8-PW Muscle Backs, Nippon Modus Tour 115 Stiff, 2 Degrees stronger lofts. Tracked By: Follow me on Twitter @ham12_hampton and on Instagram @Nunfa0 Link to comment
MIGregB Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Yep, outdoors with your gamer would be my favorite. It's just tougher to accomplish, even if your gamer is one of the big 3 or 4 balls; Prov 1, TP5, ChromeSoft, etc. vs. Snell, MaxFli, etc. But I had a chance to directly compare my MaxFli & Snell of choice against Prov's so I have a decent handle on how they compare for me. But if I could actually blindly tell the difference, I guarantee that the handicap mentioned to the left wouldn't be double digit!! Dweed and tony@CIC 2 Quote Dark Speed X Driver w/ Motore X F35R shaft, ZX 5 Wood & 7 Wood w/Evenflow Riptide 5.5 shaft, Fli-Hi 24 deg Hybrid Iron, JPX919 Hot Metal 5-GW w/Project X LZ 5.5 shafts, SM9 54.12D & 58.08M deg wedges, Sabertooth White Ice, -Pro V1X (preferred) or Tour X ball, X5 Watch, Nikon Laser 500 range finder. My 2024 Titleist SM10 Wedge Review: https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/64494-vokey-sm10-wedges-2024-forum-review/?do=findComment&comment=1065367 Link to comment
John Marchetto Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 For driver definitely indoors because you can use gamer balls and know distances. However, I like to fit my irons outside so I can see targets. 6 or 7 iron I can track to the 150 target flag and actually see it. Yeager and tony@CIC 2 Quote Take it back and let it go Link to comment
ChuckZ Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 I use both, all depending on availability of my fitters and how big of a hurry I am to get a new club. My outdoor fitter is about an hour and a half away and my indoor fitter is about five minutes from the house. Both are certified, very qualified and experienced. Neither has ever failed me in a fitting. Beakbryce, Jason Costain, Yeager and 1 other 4 Quote Driver - TSi3 10.75* - Fujikura Speeder 661 TR Fairway - TSi2 14.25* - Fujikura Motore Speeder VC 6.1 Fairway - TSR1 17.0* - Fujikura Vista Pro 65S Hybrid - TSR1 19.0* - Fujikura Atmos Red Tour 75 Hybrid - TSR1 23.0* - Fujikura Atmos Red Tour 75 Irons - T350 (2023) - 5-48W - True Temper AMT Red 95g-107g Wedges - Vokey SM9 - 52.08F, 56.10S, 58.08M ** GolfPride MCC +4 Midsize Grips (all woods/irons/wedges) Putter - 2023 Scotty Cameron Super Select Squareback 2 35" ** Superstroke 1.0 Pistol Grip Golf Ball - TITLEIST - Prov1 (2023) Golf Bags - TITLEIST - Cart 14 (black), Mid Size Tour (black/white) Golf Glove - FootJoy (StaSof), Shoes, Apparel and Outerwear Rangefinder - Bushnell Pro XE Link to comment
B_R_A_D_Y Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Got fit couple days ago at our club’s fitting day when club manufactures set up. BUT we were hitting directly into 30-40 mph winds with 55 mph gusts … eventually blew their awnings over. AND as if that wasn’t enough, the lower portion of the range was flooded I couldn’t see the landing and runout. So while they calibrated the launch monitor and I could see comparison stats between my club & the new one I was considering, I still wish I could have seen a more realistic representation of hitting the driver on the course. I haven’t pulled the trigger because I don’t kno if I trust their calibration. I’d buy it if I could return it. I miss demo clubs. tony@CIC 1 Quote TSi3 #1-3-5 all with Tensi Blue S-flex 2019 Apex Pro black 3 & 4H Catalyst 70 or TSi3 #2-3 depending on how I’m playing. Tensi Blue 2019 Calloway Apex Pro black, 5-PW, Catalyst 100 - 6.0, Super Stroker Jumbo 2020 RadSpeed OL 4H, 5-GW … won’t get to actually use till warmer weather 2019 PM-grind, 56° & 60°, KBS steel, Green Cap Blue Spider EX Pro V1X Link to comment
thewaggs Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) The biggest problem with indoor simulators and launch monitors is that the “course” conditions can be manipulated for carry, rollout, temperature, etc. I KNOW how I hit my clubs and the few times I went to an indoor facility to try out some new equipment, when I hit my clubs to establish a baseline for the fitter, the numbers were off by a considerable amount! Then when I hit the “new” and improved clubs, they were ALWAYS significantly better! At least outside I can watch the ball flight and even use my rangefinder to check for accuracy on distance in some cases. Edited March 27, 2023 by thewaggs tony@CIC and B_R_A_D_Y 2 Quote Link to comment
Chadillac15 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 I am very much in agreement with most here. For a driver I much prefer the indoor space. I really want to see my spin with each driver I am testing and prefer hitting a prov1. For irons though, being able to get divots/hit off real grass see the ball flight, and aim at different targets/distances is exactly what I’m looking for in new irons. Quote “It was a great f$&kin bet.” - Tiger Woods WITB - SIM 9Deg, SIM 3W, TS 5W, AP2 4-AW, 54&58 SM7, Scotty Phantom X 5.5. Link to comment
Genes Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Over the past number of years I have gone from getting fitted by the pga store golf galaxy club champion and lastly true spec golf. whenever I got fitted it would always be inside. I live in northern New York which makes things difficult to hit outside in the winter. This being said, I visit Orlando about every other month for the job. I did some research and found a place that does outside fittings. True spec in Orlando does this. It’s a huge benefit as you can imagine. Especially when it comes to a wedge fitting. In my opinion wedge fittings should be done outside. Furthermore, having an outside in clubs in general should always be a preferred method. Some people might disagree and I respect that. My experience showed me that outside makes all the difference in my fitting. many clubs will fit out doors as well. Hitting off a mat just doesn’t do the fitting justice. B_R_A_D_Y and tony@CIC 2 Quote Witb= Rogue max LS driver 3wood 5 wood and 7 wood all first gen stealth. 22 degree pxg hybrid 25 degree pxg hybrid 6-pw Srixon zx5 mkII irons traded in pxg 0211 from 4 years ago 50-54-58 edel wedges with moveable weights labgolf putter with upgraded shaft thats 15 clubs needless to say not all come to the course with me Link to comment
Laker_Long Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 For driver, I would choose indoor, ideally with your ball. I was fit on Trackman indoors with a Titleist RCT ball. For irons, I would do the opposite (assuming decent balls outside). I have read a few articles online that said many range mats will product a higher launch angle and lower spin than what you would get hitting off grass. I like the suggestion of getting fit indoor and then testing the finalist(s) outside after if that is an option. tony@CIC 1 Quote Jamie Laker Current Favorite Equipment- Pro V1x Left Dash Link to comment
Tim W Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Test outside for sure. Critical to see the ball flight with launch monitors outside. Compare shafts as well as driver heads. Test my existing shaft with different heads if possible. I want to test recommended shafts and heads against my gamer. Test balls after a decision on the driver. Test balls on my home course with irons and driver. Make sure you do a second test on your new driver. It should match or exceed your first test with the club. B_R_A_D_Y and tony@CIC 2 Quote M4 Driver 8.5 D Fujikura Red 6S M4 3 Wood 15 D Fujikura Red 6S Stealth 3 Hybrid 19 D Fujikura Red 7S P790 Irons 4 - A Dynamic Gold 95 R Sand Wedge 56 D Dynamic Gold WedgeFlex Lob Wedge 60 D Dynamic Gold WedgeFlex Putter White Hot #7 OG Stroke Lab Link to comment
dinomack99 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 I recently got MIS-FIT for a PXG Gen 5 driver. It was about two weeks before Christmas, and I drove 1.5 hours to Pinehurst to fitting van. It was wet and cold that day and I was wearing three layers of clothing. My driver swing was not on, and my slice came out big time. The fitter put me into a XS shaft (my swing speed is 98mph) and 7.5-degree head turned up to 9 degrees to close the face. I was basically fitted into an anti-slice driver when I knew that my driver was relatively straight (sometimes even a baby draw). I shouldn't have pulled the trigger, but I did, thinking that I could always fine-tune later on with a simulator. 2 months later, and I went for a free "tech check" (should have been within 30 days, but weather was a problem). I was fit into a mid-spin stiff driver with a 9-degree head dialed up to 10. BIG DIFFERENCE. All this to say that I would like to be fit outside, but indoors with your gamer is the way to go. I would even say the same for irons. Just test your old irons first to establish a baseline, then swing the new stuff. I don't want to be hitting range balls and making a decision based on that. tony@CIC and B_R_A_D_Y 2 Quote DR: PXG 0311 Gen 5 with Tensei White Extra Stiff 3W: PXG 0211 with Tensei White Extra Stiff 3H: Tour Exotics EX221 with HZRDUS Smoke Black Stiff IRN: 2021 PXG 0211 with MMT Mitsubishi Stiff 54/58: Cleveland CBX P: Wilson Infinite Buckingham Link to comment
dlm Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Who plays indoors? I would prefer outdoor everytime. tony@CIC 1 Quote Dave Mueller Link to comment
GooRoo Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Everything else being equal, I would prefer outdoors. I did a driver fitting Friday, indoors, and the results were completely off base. Teeing the ball on a mat means teeing the ball higher than what I would outside. As a result, I was hitting everything substantially higher (and shorter), than normal. All the club/shaft recommendations were out of what. Now, I'm having to look at doing it again somewhere else... tony@CIC 1 Quote “If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you do not have integrity, nothing else matters.” Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 hours ago, John Marchetto said: For driver definitely indoors because you can use gamer balls and know distances. However, I like to fit my irons outside so I can see targets. 6 or 7 iron I can track to the 150 target flag and actually see it. Are you saying you can’t get distance outside or that you can’t use gamers outside? Curious if that is knock against indoor driver fittings why wouldn’t it be one for irons especially when iron distance is potentially more important than driver distance? tony@CIC and Beakbryce 2 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
dinomack99 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 16 minutes ago, GooRoo said: Everything else being equal, I would prefer outdoors. I did a driver fitting Friday, indoors, and the results were completely off base. Teeing the ball on a mat means teeing the ball higher than what I would outside. As a result, I was hitting everything substantially higher (and shorter), than normal. All the club/shaft recommendations were out of what. Now, I'm having to look at doing it again somewhere else... I wouldn't have done the fitting. I would have asked them to cut down the tee (assuming it's rubber). I will spend 15 min at a driving range getting the tee height I prefer, and not the 2" poles they have in most every bay. tony@CIC 1 Quote DR: PXG 0311 Gen 5 with Tensei White Extra Stiff 3W: PXG 0211 with Tensei White Extra Stiff 3H: Tour Exotics EX221 with HZRDUS Smoke Black Stiff IRN: 2021 PXG 0211 with MMT Mitsubishi Stiff 54/58: Cleveland CBX P: Wilson Infinite Buckingham Link to comment
KNH Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Outdoor!! Ball flight is key along with the numbers tony@CIC 1 Quote Link to comment
ajlacombe Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 This is a great discussion topic! I think the key is the club/turf interactions, With irons this is huge because no matter how good the mat is, the interaction will not be the same. For woods, I have a simulator and pretty much everyone has a different indoor swing, AND the tee issue is hard to overcome. Hitting from the plastic castles will not give you the same results, and even if you can peg a normal tee in your mat, it never seems to be the same either. You can do fittings inside and you can compare A to B easily, but if you want results that are going to more closely match your on-course results, you have to go outside so that everything will the same as when you play. There are exceptions to every rule/comment, but in general I have found that outdoor is king. If you are hitting range balls versus your ball, then that is another story - the balls need to be decent and close to your ball as well. tony@CIC 1 Quote Link to comment
Bosox04 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 I prefer outdoor, but I recently had an indoor lesson. It was very good, and interesting to see the Trackman numbers. If I was being fit by someone I trusted, I wouldn’t hesitate to get fit indoors. tony@CIC 1 Quote Link to comment
KC Golf Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 I think the fitter and the equipment utilized for the fitting are more important than indoor or outdoor. I think GC Quad is the best LM for fittings. That being said, I do think irons and wedges are definitely only good outdoors, since turf interaction is key and feel and look (in the sunlight) as well. tony@CIC 1 Quote TSR 3 9.0 Autoflex 405x (MGS Tester ‘24) / GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff TSi 3 15.0 GD Tour AD - DI 6S Stiff Utility 2 Iron 18.0 - Nippon NS Pro 650GH Stiff / TS3 21 Hybrid Tensei AV Blue 65 HY Stiff 5 - 9 101T Irons - KBS Tour Lite Stiff - Official Tester 2023 Vokey SM9 46 F - 10 BV105 Vokey SM9 52 F - 12 Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Vokey Forged 56 M - 10 DG S200 MG3 60 - 12 - Nippon NS Modus3 Tour 105 Stiff Scotty Special Select - Squareback 2 - 35” / Super Stroke Slim 3.0 Z-Star Diamond Players 4 bag Official Tester - 2021 & Current MCC Plus 4 Sensor / Club Sensor User Link to comment
Franc38 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Outdoors, as much as possible. Alternating shots with my gamers and the new equipment being tested, looking at the numbers and not saying what I want before hands, and then making my decision based on the info of the fitter AND my needs/knowledge/discussions with my pro. For irons it's a no brainer as hitting from mats does change A LOT compared to grass. Less spin, more speed, turf interaction being very very different. For woods and drivers there's a bit more of a debate but hitting to an actual target, that I "depth perceive" with wind, and so on makes me adapt a bit. Obviously it's good taking that into account, but it's also good taking these variables out of the equation. So both could do. Actually, I even think that a proper fitting for a driver should be done first in the simulator, then validated on the course, then re-adjusted on sim in required. tony@CIC 1 Quote Aim small... pray to miss small My bag: Ping hoofer lite. My driver: Nike Vapor Pro. 4w: Inesis 500. Hybrid: Nike Vapor Flex. Irons (4-PW): Takomo 301 combo on KBS tour X. Wedges: Vokey SM7 52° and 58°. Putter: Cleveland Classic HB1. Balls: Inesis Tour900 yellow. Link to comment
GolfSpy_KFT Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 I have done both with driver, and in the optimal world would choose outdoor with my gamer ball. When I did an outdoor fitting a couple years ago with TM, it was at my local club and we used range balls and the results from the trackman didn't seem to add up for what really good swings were producing. The big plus, though, was seeing the ball flight. I did an indoor fitting later that year in the fall and was able to use my gamer ball and saw numbers that correlated better. That was the driver I ended up going with as well. I think as others have mentioned, if you're someone who's swing is affected by being in the enclosed simulator type space, go with an outdoor fitting so you aren't having any swing thoughts, intentional or unintentional, that may impact your results of the fitting. tony@CIC 1 Quote Driver: DARKSPEED X 9* Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 6X Fairways: Aerojet Max 3W & 7W MCA Kai'Li White 60 Stiff Hybrid: King TEC 3H MCA MMT 85g Stiff Irons: Aerojet 6-GW KBS $-taper Lite Stiff Wedges: Snakebite Black 52/56/60 Hi-Rev 2.0 Black Stiff Putter: Super Select Newport 2.0 Ball: Tour X & ProV1x #LeftyGang Cobra 50th Anniversary Member Special Challenge (link here) Cobra Darkspeed X Driver Unofficial Review (link here) Link to comment
Ernie111 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 I did indoor because I wanted to get new shafts for my golf clubs. I prefer outdoor. tony@CIC 1 Quote Hit em long Link to comment
Mrs Golf Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 I had my first iron fitting about a 2 weeks ago and I specifically chose outdoors. A LPGA golfer said that you get more percussion and pound on your hands using a indoor turf. Outdoors give you the true feel and the soft soil gives you a better feel tony@CIC 1 Quote Mrs. Golf Link to comment
tony@CIC Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 My best fitting (driver and irons) was at Windmill in Macedonia, Oh. Their 'fitting room' has a garage door that opens up onto the range. And for fittings they use new or relatively new Bridgestone practice balls. That combined with the Trackman was the best of both worlds. Even on a cold or breezy Ohio day you didn't have to layer up and you could see actual ball flight. My worst fitting was at PGASS here in Sarasota, indoor with a questionable fitter. MattF and DiscipleofPenick 2 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment
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