StrokerAce Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 I understand that some people only watch the majors, but of those that watch golf regularly do you find it interesting when a lot of players go really low? The Travelers Championship is a great tournament; the fans are great, the host is great, the players seem to like it, but it used to be that shooting 62, 64, even 65 was impressive. Look at this scoreboard: Do you find it interesting when pro golfers completely dominate a golf course or is it like watching NBA players play on a 9 foot hoop with a high school 3 point line? What Say You? Rob Person and revkev 2 Quote Driver- Titleist TSR3 10* Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19* Irons- Titleist 718 AP2 (5i-50*) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Wilson Infinite Grant Park Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker60521 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Personally I just enjoy watching the game since the players are competing against each other. So I’m not as concerned about the course. That said, we’ve all seen some tournaments that seem to be designed to punish the player — even with good shots. That bothers me. Rob Person 1 Quote Driver: Stealth2 3W: Stealth2 4H: Stealth 2 Irons 4I-9I: T200 Wedges P, 48: T200 Wedges 54, 58: Vokey SM9 Putter: O Works #1 Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 I don't care to see events where birdies are as common as pars. I know it's just numbers, but these are the worlds best players and the course layout/set-up should challenge them accordingly. I prefer venues like the US Open where shooting par is a good round. Preeway and Rob Person 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamese Moose Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 I want to see both. For Majors I prefer scores close to par, but for the occasional regular event it can be cool to see way under par. With that said, I rarely watch anything but the majors. Rob Person and revkev 2 Quote Moose, my cat, is Siamese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) I don’t care about the score. I want good shots into greens rewarded. I want to see amazing golf and some excitement with lead changes or the chance for them down the stretch. I like seeing birdies and eagles and when hole locations are setup to create those chances it lead to excitement on Sunday on the leaderboard. These guys on tour are +6 or better handicaps. Shooting 8-10 under a round is fun to watch. Edited June 21 by RickyBobby_PR Rob Person 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 I didn’t watch today, so I can’t say why the scores were so low. I’m willing to guess that conditions were soft, fairways generous, and rough short and not penal. Good players will go low and as they say: “These guys are good." They just spent four grueling days at the US Open, and they probably welcome easier conditions. As most tournaments go, they get tougher on the weekend. Personally, I’d like to see a premium put on driving accuracy; shots from the rough should be difficult but not impossible to reach the green and a good shot is rewarded. I enjoy watching a player make shots, and difficult shots are more impressive. Scores don’t mean a lot to me; they are just a way… other than height ... to measure yourself against other golfers. Rob Person and rkj427 2 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Golf for me is simply something to have on for entertainment. Doesn't matter to me if the players shoot -10 or +10. Rob Person and bens197 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkj427 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Typically, I only watch the majors, where the pros have to be on their best to make the cut and play the weekend, more due to the conditions there being more challenging to them. As far as scoring, it doesn't matter, as course conditions and length of rough or the penalty of the hazards really impact just how low or high they may be in relation to par. Rob Person 1 Quote Driver & Fairway: Titleist GT2 8 degree - Ventus TR Red & TSR3 15 - Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Hybrid: TSR2 21 degree - Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Irons: Titleist T200 3G (4) & T150 - (5-G) - Modus 105 Wedges: Vokey SM9 54, and 58 Putter: Cameron Phantom X 5 Ball: Pro V1 & Maxfli Tour Link to Motocaddy M7 w/Remote Trolley & Bag Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 I don’t have a problem with it. I like variety. It’s interesting to see how guys compete under situations where par is king verses times when trees a birdie barrage. What kills he is I’ve played that course. It’s been remodel a few times since I did. Same thing was true of Brown Deer park in Milwaukee, another birdie fest. They aren’t as easy as these guys make them look. Also I’ve played TPC Sawgrass and shot a lower score there than on either of those two “easy” courses. Rob Person and bens197 2 Quote Driver: Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 R flex - 44.25 Fairways: Ping G410 5, 7, 9 wood Alta CB red 65 R flex Hybrid: Ping G410 26 degree Alta CB Red 70 R flex Irons: Ping G430 7-PW, 45, 50 Alta CB black 65 soft R flex Wedges: Ping 195 S54, E58 Wedges and irons are - 1/2” and one degree flat Putter: Sacks Parente Duke 32.5” Ball: Titleist Pro VI or Callaway Chrome Soft X ls While not at the same time I was fit for every club in my bag as well as the Pro VI ball. I use the chrome soft x ls on my league course. It has much softer softer greens than the club that I belong to. I’m on a mission to shoot my age - lifetime lowest round is 66 and I’m currently 67. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 5 hours ago, StrokerAce said: I understand that some people only watch the majors, but of those that watch golf regularly do you find it interesting when a lot of players go really low? The Travelers Championship is a great tournament; the fans are great, the host is great, the players seem to like it, but it used to be that shooting 62, 64, even 65 was impressive. ... What I miss is golf shots and for me score is almost irrelevant. All golf shots not just bomb and gouge. Watching 330+ yd drives and wedges followed by a putting contest to shoot in the low 60's just isn't very entertaining for me. One of the reasons I absolutely love The Open Championship as we get to see so many different golf shots, especially around the greens. Watching someone putt from 30yds off the green is mesmerizing. That is the reason I watch every televised LPGA event. Most of the Ladies can't just over power an older course flying what were strategic bunkers and hazards and they all play a variety of shots. I watched Brooke Henderson chip/putting with a hybrid up a huge bank then 20 feet to the hole and was a few inches away causing Morgan Pressel who thought it was a really bad decision to say "... and that's why she is playing and I am in the booth". cnosil, StrokerAce, Preeway and 1 other 3 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... AutoFlex Dream 7 SF405 Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'Li Blue 70r Hybrids: G430 Hybrid 22*... Alta Hy70r Irons: P770 5-pw ... Steelfiber i80r TP UDi 4 ... Steelfiber i80r Wedges: MG3 46*/50*/54* MG4 58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Custom 5.1 (no alignment) 33" Ball: '24 TP5x/Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSauer Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) I will say watching them struggle and only going 5 or 6 under for the week does make things entertaining. But, it really doesn’t matter to me if they’re 5 under or 20 under, as long as there isn’t a runaway winner all day on Sunday. I like it when it’s close and there are several people in contention and it comes down to the wire. Edited June 21 by TSauer Rob Person, Preeway and chisag 3 Quote Driver: Aerojet 9* | Hzrdus Black Gen 4 Fairway: G410 3W 13* | Alta CB 65 Hybrid: TS2 18* | Tensei AV Blue 70 S Hybrid: iCrossover 20* | Kai'li White 80 Irons: P790 5-PW | DG S300 Wedges: Vokey SM9 | 52, 56, 60 | DG S200 Putter: Link.1 | Accra x LAB --- LAB Golf Link.1 Review --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preeway Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 It isn’t the scores that make a tournament exciting or boring but rather how well the course does or doesn’t challenge the players. Today, the course didn’t appear to be very challenging. Rob Person 1 Quote Driver: Aerojet LS, Ventus Velocore+ Blue Shaft - 6S 4 Wood: Rogue ST Max 16.5, Tensei White Shaft - 7S Utility Iron: Fli Hi 3-iron, HAZARDOUS Smoke Black Shaft - S Irons: JPX 921 Tour 4-P, Project X Shafts - Stiff 125g Wedges: 52º, 56º, 60º Putter: Ai-One 7 T CH, 34" Preferred Ball: Z-Star Diamond Pushcart: Nitron Rangefinder: Pro X3+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goaliedad30 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Low score wins. Tee it up .... Rob Person and Logan Campbell 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Person Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 I love watching the players jockey for position on the board and be challenged at every shot. It's even more interesting to watch one player jump ahead by 5 or 6 strokes early in the tournament, and then fight to maintain the lead the rest of the rounds, or watch an underdog come out of nowhere and rise up the board! I tend to watch more LPGA and Senior tournaments lately too. It seems more competitive to me for some reason. Preeway and buckpillar 2 Quote WITB- Driver -Titleist 910D, 3w- Titleist 910F, 5hy/7hy- Titleist 910H, 6-PW - Stix , 52⁰, 56⁰, 60⁰ - Stix , Putter- AI-ONE DB / Lombardi Tour 34 custom Just an old newbie golfer, trying to learn and improve 1 club at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 What I don’t like is watching the. Best in the world be out to shame because some s*** decided the setup needed to be ridiculous. Theres nothing fun watching Nelly Korda and other top level golfers look bad, same on pga tour. nor different than watching a pitcher get rocked in the first inning and flounder like a fish out of water because the manager doesn’t want to go to the bullpen too early. Or a blowout in basketball, football or any other sport. That’s not even remotely close to entertaining. Golf courses don’t offer the same challenge to all golfers. The guy who drives it 200 is playing the course differently than the guy who hits it further even at 230 yards it’s a different course for that golfer than the 200 yard golfer. Good shots are rewarded with good results not a ball rolling off the green because they are baked out and hard. Rob Person 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetiredBoomer Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 46 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: What I don’t like is watching the. Best in the world be out to shame because some s*** decided the setup needed to be ridiculous. Theres nothing fun watching Nelly Korda and other top level golfers look bad, same on pga tour. nor different than watching a pitcher get rocked in the first inning and flounder like a fish out of water because the manager doesn’t want to go to the bullpen too early. Or a blowout in basketball, football or any other sport. That’s not even remotely close to entertaining. Golf courses don’t offer the same challenge to all golfers. The guy who drives it 200 is playing the course differently than the guy who hits it further even at 230 yards it’s a different course for that golfer than the 200 yard golfer. Good shots are rewarded with good results not a ball rolling off the green because they are baked out and hard. I admit to having a radical opinion about this. I think that all courses, including the ones in major championships, should be little over six thousand yards long and playable to the typical recreational player. Your club champion and your home pro should shoot seventy or thereabouts on it. The defending US Open champ should threaten to break sixty on it. That's how we'd really see how good the touring pros are. If we keep trying to defend par against them with brutal courses, we're not actually seeing the TRUE difference between us and them. Of course, I don't follow pro golf, so a real dedicated fan's opinion may be radically different. You all know what you want to watch more than I do. Rob Person 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 after thinking about this for a while and reading through the comments, in some way I wish that scores were always really low so that "scratch amateurs" would stop thinking that they would be able to compete against tour players - in any form or fashion. the "I'm a plus handicap and could beat a KFT player" comments need to stop... really. cnosil, RetiredBoomer and Rob Person 3 Quote Driver- Titleist TSR3 10* Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19* Irons- Titleist 718 AP2 (5i-50*) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Wilson Infinite Grant Park Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 41 minutes ago, StrokerAce said: after thinking about this for a while and reading through the comments, in some way I wish that scores were always really low so that "scratch amateurs" would stop thinking that they would be able to compete against tour players - in any form or fashion. the "I'm a plus handicap and could beat a KFT player" comments need to stop... really. Many have a misperception of how good a scratch golfer is. Yes they are good but not that good. There are 3-5 handicaps that think that is good golf. Its night and day between a scratch and a 3-5 handicap Rob Person 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 3 hours ago, StrokerAce said: after thinking about this for a while and reading through the comments, in some way I wish that scores were always really low so that "scratch amateurs" would stop thinking that they would be able to compete against tour players - in any form or fashion. the "I'm a plus handicap and could beat a KFT player" comments need to stop... really. ... I played with a mini tour winner practicing for the Phoenix Open qualifier at my home course. He shot 7 under on the front 9 playing from the tips at 7089 yds. He was averaging around 350 yds off the tee. That was impressive but even more so was his wedge control. One hop, a skip and backed up 1 foot. Every time and always dancing around the pin. He hit a drive on #18 that caught a slope and went in the water that is 410yds from the tee. He dropped and hit his wedge over the lake to a front pin tucked over a bunker about 2 feet past the hole and backed up a foot for an easy tap in. ... With that kind of off the chart talent, he missed the Monday qualifier by 1 stroke. That's how good the guys on tour are and a scratch player would have no chance chance competing against them. This is from a mini tour event in Des Moines that he won: "He moved to 16 under with a two-putt birdie on the par-5 14. He added to his lead on 16 after smoking his drive within five yards of the front edge on the 371-yard hole. His chip rolled within four feet, and he knocked in the birdie putt. “He obliterated that one on 16,” said Marek, a 36-year-old pro based in Berkeley, California, who said he’s probably played on every mini-tour in the U.S. “I thought it was a leaf when I drove up there, and it turns out it’s his ball. He’s got some clubhead speed, touch around the greens, and he’s a really good guy, too.” StrokerAce, Rob Person and TJ Hall 2 1 Quote Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... AutoFlex Dream 7 SF405 Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'Li Blue 70r Hybrids: G430 Hybrid 22*... Alta Hy70r Irons: P770 5-pw ... Steelfiber i80r TP UDi 4 ... Steelfiber i80r Wedges: MG3 46*/50*/54* MG4 58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Custom 5.1 (no alignment) 33" Ball: '24 TP5x/Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrokerAce Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 22 minutes ago, chisag said: ... I played with a mini tour winner practicing for the Phoenix Open qualifier at my home course. He shot 7 under on the front 9 playing from the tips at 7089 yds. He was averaging around 350 yds off the tee. That was impressive but even more so was his wedge control. One hop, a skip and backed up 1 foot. Every time and always dancing around the pin. He hit a drive on #18 that caught a slope and went in the water that is 410yds from the tee. He dropped and hit his wedge over the lake to a front pin tucked over a bunker about 2 feet past the hole and backed up a foot for an easy tap in. ... With that kind of off the chart talent, he missed the Monday qualifier by 1 stroke. That's how good the guys on tour are and a scratch player would have no chance chance competing against them. This is from a mini tour event in Des Moines that he won: "He moved to 16 under with a two-putt birdie on the par-5 14. He added to his lead on 16 after smoking his drive within five yards of the front edge on the 371-yard hole. His chip rolled within four feet, and he knocked in the birdie putt. “He obliterated that one on 16,” said Marek, a 36-year-old pro based in Berkeley, California, who said he’s probably played on every mini-tour in the U.S. “I thought it was a leaf when I drove up there, and it turns out it’s his ball. He’s got some clubhead speed, touch around the greens, and he’s a really good guy, too.” That's incredible! Rob Person and chisag 2 Quote Driver- Titleist TSR3 10* Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19* Irons- Titleist 718 AP2 (5i-50*) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Wilson Infinite Grant Park Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckpillar Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 I like a low score as long as there are several players battling for the lead, but one of the best rounds I watched was a British Open when Phil Michelsonand Henrique Stenson battled in the final round, that was fun to watch, shot for shot neither one blinked and play unbelievable golf. Rob Person 1 Quote Jeff "PUTSO" Pillar buckpillar@gmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckpillar Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 12 hours ago, Rob Person said: I love watching the players jockey for position on the board and be challenged at every shot. It's even more interesting to watch one player jump ahead by 5 or 6 strokes early in the tournament, and then fight to maintain the lead the rest of the rounds, or watch an underdog come out of nowhere and rise up the board! I tend to watch more LPGA and Senior tournaments lately too. It seems more competitive to me for some reason. The women are really great to watch, the competition is so good from top to bottom Rob Person and chisag 1 1 Quote Jeff "PUTSO" Pillar buckpillar@gmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyjudge Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 On 6/21/2024 at 9:15 AM, RetiredBoomer said: I admit to having a radical opinion about this. I think that all courses, including the ones in major championships, should be little over six thousand yards long and playable to the typical recreational player. Your club champion and your home pro should shoot seventy or thereabouts on it. The defending US Open champ should threaten to break sixty on it. That's how we'd really see how good the touring pros are. If we keep trying to defend par against them with brutal courses, we're not actually seeing the TRUE difference between us and them. Of course, I don't follow pro golf, so a real dedicated fan's opinion may be radically different. You all know what you want to watch more than I do. At those yardages and conditions that are very playable to the typical recreational golfer, the top pros would threaten 55-56 much of the time! I play on a tour with about 40 club professionals and NCAA college golf coaches, and two guys who used to play on what is now the Korn Ferry Tour (I think it was the Hogan or Nike Tour when these guys were playing it). These guys are all in the “Open” (e.g. - scratch) Division; I play in the Senior Net Division. However, I have been paired with both of the former professional tour golfers, who are now in their 60s, and I can assure you that 99.999% of amateur golfers would not be able to beat these guys, yet both of them still carry zero to plus handicap indexes. The guys playing on ANY of the professional golf tours are better than these two guys by a significant margin, so there’s no way that these so-called “plus-handicap amateurs” could compete with KFT or PGA Tour (or DP World Tour) players on anywhere near a consistent basis. Sure, lightning may strike once in a decade and these amateurs might shoot 66 or 67 on a difficult track, but to compete on the professional tours, you need to do that in about 75% or more of your rounds to be even somewhat competitive. cnosil, Rob Person and RetiredBoomer 3 Quote DR - Callaway Paradym AI Smoke Max, Newton Motion 4-Dot shaft 4W - Titleist TSR2, Newton Motion 4-Dot FW shaft HYB - Sub 70 949X 21*, original HZRDUS Black 85-S shaft 7W (if played) - Titleist TSR, ACCRA TZ6 7S Irons - Cobra King Forged Tec X, KBS TGI graphite shafts Wedges - Edison 2.0, 47* (bent to 48*), 53* and 57* (bent to 58*), KBS TGI 100 Tour S Putter - Evnroll ER10 ""Outback” Mallet Ball - Maxfli Tour-X CG (2023) or Vice Pro Plus Bags - Vessel / Ghost stand bags Cart - MotoCaddy M7 Remote (without the remote) Spoiler Lots of short game practice has made this a strength; now the driver is causing problems! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 33 minutes ago, funkyjudge said: At those yardages and conditions that are very playable to the typical recreational golfer, the top pros would threaten 55-56 much of the time! I play on a tour with about 40 club professionals and NCAA college golf coaches, and two guys who used to play on what is now the Korn Ferry Tour (I think it was the Hogan or Nike Tour when these guys were playing it). These guys are all in the “Open” (e.g. - scratch) Division; I play in the Senior Net Division. However, I have been paired with both of the former professional tour golfers, who are now in their 60s, and I can assure you that 99.999% of amateur golfers would not be able to beat these guys, yet both of them still carry zero to plus handicap indexes. The guys playing on ANY of the professional golf tours are better than these two guys by a significant margin, so there’s no way that these so-called “plus-handicap amateurs” could compete with KFT or PGA Tour (or DP World Tour) players on anywhere near a consistent basis. Sure, lightning may strike once in a decade and these amateurs might shoot 66 or 67 on a difficult track, but to compete on the professional tours, you need to do that in about 75% or more of your rounds to be even somewhat competitive. They couldn’t compete with mid of the road lpga golfers. I have friends who play with some on a periodic basis. In stays between -1 to +1 and gets beat by 10 shots from the same tees and he’s 300+ off the tee Rob Person and funkyjudge 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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