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Dude, that is totally going to jack up the fung shui of your signature.

Yeah, I'm sure he would use a :ping-small:  PONG ball if he could get the distance.

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Hybrids     :mizuno-small:  CLK 22 & 25 (set to 20° & 23°) on Fujikura SPEEDER

Irons:     :mizuno-small:  MP5 5-P on True Temper Dynamic Gold

Wedges: :mizuno-small: MP-T5 52*, 56* & 60* on True Temper Dynamic Gold Wedge

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I don't really think about it as groove 4 swings with each club. It's really just 4 swings, and then do it sometime with each club to determine the distance for each club. Since the swing is really the same as the full swing, as far as acceleration goes, you just stop your backswing at these points and go from there.

 

But I really don't know the knee high swing distances anymore. I do the other 3 but knee high not so much.

Would it help to have One length clubs so you don't need 16 swings for different lengths and swing heights? Would it helps for each swing to be the same?

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Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff

Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff

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Would it help to have One length clubs so you don't need 16 swings for different lengths and swing heights? Would it helps for each swing to be the same?

 

The swings are the same, the rate of acceleration is the same, the length of the backswing is shorter, and thus the clubhead speed at impact is reduced because you have not built up as much speed with the shorter backswing. These are termed as different swings, but the only difference is the length of the swing.

 

The purpose of the One Length club is so that set up is the same and no variance in ball position.

 

I am not a believer in One Length clubs as a good thing because the wedges are so long among other reasons. But that's a different thread, and I know my experiment with them failed miserably.

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Driver:      :mizuno-small:  ST190G on Fujikura ATMOS Black

Fairway:   :mizuno-small:  ST190TS 15° on Fujikura ATMOS Black

Hybrids     :mizuno-small:  CLK 22 & 25 (set to 20° & 23°) on Fujikura SPEEDER

Irons:     :mizuno-small:  MP5 5-P on True Temper Dynamic Gold

Wedges: :mizuno-small: MP-T5 52*, 56* & 60* on True Temper Dynamic Gold Wedge

Putter:    :cameron-small: 2018 Select Newport 2

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The swings are the same, the rate of acceleration is the same, the length of the backswing is shorter, and thus the clubhead speed at impact is reduced because you have not built up as much speed with the shorter backswing. These are termed as different swings, but the only difference is the length of the swing.

 

The purpose of the One Length club is so that set up is the same and no variance in ball position.

 

I am not a believer in One Length clubs as a good thing because the wedges are so long among other reasons. But that's a different thread, and I know my experiment with them failed miserably.

Okay, thank you for all of the great information(and for putting up with the endless badgering). I don't care for One length clubs myself but was just wondering if those would help with this.


Wilson Staff C300 9.0* Fujikura Pro 58 stiff

Callaway Rogue 3W Mitsubishi Diamana D+ LTD 80 stiff

Mizuno MP-18 MMC FLI-HI 2 iron UST Mamiya Recoil 95 stiff

Ping I200's 4-W Aerotech Steelfiber I110 CW stiff

Ping Glide 52* and 58* stiff

Bettinardi Studio Stock #38 Armlock

 

 

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Would it help to have One length clubs so you don't need 16 swings for different lengths and swing heights? Would it helps for each swing to be the same?

It isn't 16 swings.  It is only 4 swings.  Aren't all the wedges usually almost the same length anyways? 

 

If you get this down with one club, it doesn't take much to get it clicking for other clubs.  I explained in another similar thread yesterday that I made a chart like RoverRick that goes up to my 4 iron.  I haven't practiced any of these partial swings with most of my irons, but I have gotten some punches from under trees pretty darn close by just referring to the chart quickly before the shot.  As I play more, I learn more.  I had a 3/4 8 iron a month or so ago to hit some mid-gap distance and I executed it well, but didn't factor in that I was hitting downhill, so it went several yards long.  Now that shot haunts me and I won't make the same mistake again.

 

I think to really nail this, some accurate stepping in an open field or a rangefinder getting exact distances is necessary.  Pelz talked about either his son or Tom Kite's son out in the field with a baseball glove calling out the exact yardage on a walkie talkie.  Both Pelz and Tom could call the yardage of the shot out within a yard by seeing the length of backswing after hitting so many balls


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It isn't 16 swings. It is only 4 swings. Aren't all the wedges usually almost the same length anyways?

 

If you get this down with one club, it doesn't take much to get it clicking for other clubs. I explained in another similar thread yesterday that I made a chart like RoverRick that goes up to my 4 iron. I haven't practiced any of these partial swings with most of my irons, but I have gotten some punches from under trees pretty darn close by just referring to the chart quickly before the shot. As I play more, I learn more. I had a 3/4 8 iron a month or so ago to hit some mid-gap distance and I executed it well, but didn't factor in that I was hitting downhill, so it went several yards long. Now that shot haunts me and I won't make the same mistake again.

 

I think to really nail this, some accurate stepping in an open field or a rangefinder getting exact distances is necessary. Pelz talked about either his son or Tom Kite's son out in the field with a baseball glove calling out the exact yardage on a walkie talkie. Both Pelz and Tom could call the yardage of the shot out within a yard by seeing the length of backswing after hitting so many balls

Yes. All wedges are usually the same length or within a 1/2 inch.

 

I am a big user of the 3/4 shot on approaches and par 3's inside 140 yards. My PW is like 126ish meaning 122-130 but a 3/4 8 is 125 period. The GW can be 115 but the 3/4 9 IS 115. Although I was only healthy for 5 golf days after 15 months no golf. So distances on full shots are spotty.

 

I got word today that the Precision Pro NX7 PRO is in the mail so it may be here tomorrow. If so I will be out tomorrow night dialing getting my distances down. I have lost some of my estimating distance prowess. I can't tell you how many times these last couple of weeks I have judged it to be x yards away and hit that shot and felt it was perfect only to be 10 yards short or long. Then I reestimate and realize I hit it x yards, but it was z yards away.

 

So not only do you have to hit the shot you have to know the actual yards also.

 

 

 

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Fairway:   :mizuno-small:  ST190TS 15° on Fujikura ATMOS Black

Hybrids     :mizuno-small:  CLK 22 & 25 (set to 20° & 23°) on Fujikura SPEEDER

Irons:     :mizuno-small:  MP5 5-P on True Temper Dynamic Gold

Wedges: :mizuno-small: MP-T5 52*, 56* & 60* on True Temper Dynamic Gold Wedge

Putter:    :cameron-small: 2018 Select Newport 2

Balls:      :titelist-small: Pro V1X

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Range Finder: Precision Pro  NX7 Pro

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Okay, thank you for all of the great information(and for putting up with the endless badgering). I don't care for One length clubs myself but was just wondering if those would help with this.

Your welcome and these discussions help me also. I can't tell you all the times I have been in a situation on the course and harken back to something I read or said here and it's helped me.

 

This week after a ball position discussion I moved closer with my iron address and suddenly cured my hook I developed.

 

 

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Driver:      :mizuno-small:  ST190G on Fujikura ATMOS Black

Fairway:   :mizuno-small:  ST190TS 15° on Fujikura ATMOS Black

Hybrids     :mizuno-small:  CLK 22 & 25 (set to 20° & 23°) on Fujikura SPEEDER

Irons:     :mizuno-small:  MP5 5-P on True Temper Dynamic Gold

Wedges: :mizuno-small: MP-T5 52*, 56* & 60* on True Temper Dynamic Gold Wedge

Putter:    :cameron-small: 2018 Select Newport 2

Balls:      :titelist-small: Pro V1X

Shoes:     :footjoy-small:

Range Finder: Precision Pro  NX7 Pro

All grips are BestGrips Micro-Perforated

 

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I carry 5 - PW (44), 48,52,56,60. The 60 is indispensable on the course I play and even more so this time of year with the thick rough.

 

I suppose it really matters what the conditions are at the course you normally play. Current wisdom says carry more wedges and drop something up top.

 

There's logic to that too. Touring pros don't hit 50 percent of their greens from over 200 yards. For most amateurs its around 10 percent. It's okay to have a larger gap at that end of the bag.

 

If you get a more lofted wedge be sure to practice with it. Also be mindful of its bounce - if your 56 is high bounce go low bounce with the 60. Better still consider Hogan wedges, that way you have three different bounces on each wedge. :)

 

Good luck

 

 

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Don't carry a 60, but a 58 PM Grind Callaway. Usually inside 60 yds, green side and flops. Like the higher bounce 56/13 PM grind in bunkers and 70-80 yds and a pair of Mizuno T7s (46 and 50) further out just because they stop so well.  

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