Kenny B Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 32 minutes ago, dlow206 said: I am sort of in this weird mental space. Golf swing vs. what works better on-course. One thing I noticed yesterday was that my eyes wander off the ball when I start my backswing, and that wandering of the eyes makes my ball contact inconsistent. Now, when I properly keep my eyes focused on the ball, contact is a million times better, but on video, I look less shallow in transition. I need to stop chasing what looks nice on video and focus on what works well plus what my instructor wants me to work on. Monte pointed out that I follow the club back with my eyes, turning my head which is why I'm inconsistent. That's a difficult fix for me; I wasn't aware that I did that. My comment on your latest swings is also something Monte pointed out to me: I don't let my left knee turn much in my backswing to let my left heel come up; helps rotation and pressure shift. That is a holdover from my single-plane swing days. Also, have you seen the latest post on Monte's Instagram page with Justin Rose on staying closed on the downswing? Justin Rose also shows that with his "feel vs real" on YouTube. Looking at your video at the very top of your backswing, the first noticeable movement in the downswing is with your upper body. If you keep your back to the target as long as possible as the arms drop, you are in a much more powerful position at impact. I've been doing that with good results. It all happens in a fraction of a second, and the timing is something that takes getting used to. If it doesn't work, forget it. After attending Monte's clinic, I now understand that I don't know what I doing, and I didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night!! sirchunksalot, dlow206, Vegan_Golfer_PNW and 1 other 4 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 16, 2021 Author Share Posted April 16, 2021 On 4/12/2021 at 10:16 AM, Kenny B said: Monte pointed out that I follow the club back with my eyes, turning my head which is why I'm inconsistent. That's a difficult fix for me; I wasn't aware that I did that. My comment on your latest swings is also something Monte pointed out to me: I don't let my left knee turn much in my backswing to let my left heel come up; helps rotation and pressure shift. That is a holdover from my single-plane swing days. Also, have you seen the latest post on Monte's Instagram page with Justin Rose on staying closed on the downswing? Justin Rose also shows that with his "feel vs real" on YouTube. Looking at your video at the very top of your backswing, the first noticeable movement in the downswing is with your upper body. If you keep your back to the target as long as possible as the arms drop, you are in a much more powerful position at impact. I've been doing that with good results. It all happens in a fraction of a second, and the timing is something that takes getting used to. If it doesn't work, forget it. After attending Monte's clinic, I now understand that I don't know what I doing, and I didn't sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night!! Worked on cleaning up my sequencing a bit. Not exactly the way you mentioned but its related to what you mentioned. Looks better now. Shapotomous, sirchunksalot, RollingGreens and 1 other 4 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 18, 2021 Author Share Posted April 18, 2021 Had an enlightening moment regarding my driver setup today after my round, on the range. Had been hitting some big push fades, push slices, which I hate. I believe much of the issue is setup. First problem is ball placement being too far toward the middle of my stance vs. being more forward toward the front foot. Its not literally in the middle of my stance but its too much in that direction. However, changing that in isolation doesn't fix my issue. The second big piece is shoulder alignment. Even when my feet are square and the clubface is setup square, my shoulders aim to the right. Its sort of like my shoulders are pointing towards the target rather than setup parallel to the target. After setting up my shoulders more square and ball more forward, i started to hit the ball much more on-line and farther than normal. Ball was traveling either straight or small left to right fade. Even when I hit the ball off the line i intended, it wasn't a massive miss. Kenny B, Tom the Golf Nut, Shapotomous and 1 other 4 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shapotomous Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 14 hours ago, dlow206 said: .... The second big piece is shoulder alignment. Even when my feet are square and the clubface is setup square, my shoulders aim to the right. Its sort of like my shoulders are pointing towards the target rather than setup parallel to the target. After setting up my shoulders more square and ball more forward, i started to hit the ball much more on-line and farther than normal. Ball was traveling either straight or small left to right fade. Even when I hit the ball off the line i intended, it wasn't a massive miss. I always looked at 4 points of alignment in a setup position....feet, knees, hips and shoulders. Ideally each should be aligned toward your target. RollingGreens 1 Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Mavrik 18* 5w; JPX 919 HM Pro 4i; JPX 900 Forged 5 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I always looked at 4 points of alignment in a setup position....feet, knees, hips and shoulders. Ideally each should be aligned toward your target.Nitpicking wording. Not sure aligned toward target is correct. People will try to be parallel toTarget line. Aligning toward target would be a closed setup. People may also want to setup open to promote a fade. Not going to get into the target vs where you are aiming. NM01 and Vegan_Golfer_PNW 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shapotomous Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, cnosil said: Nitpicking wording. Not sure aligned toward target is correct. People will try to be parallel to Target line. Aligning toward target would be a closed setup. People may also want to setup open to promote a fade. Not going to get into the target vs where you are aiming. Yeah....probably poor or incomplete two sentence wording on my description. I see what you mean by 'parallel' and that is a more accurate term. I can demonstrate with an alignment stick better than writing it down that's for sure. I always felt the 4 points of alignment should be aimed consistently for most people, you don't want feet open, hips closed, shoulders & knees square for example. Once they determine their most consistent ball flight with a 'square' set up then they can adjust the setup alignment to promote, compensate or manipulate ball flight as they want. cnosil 1 Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Mavrik 18* 5w; JPX 919 HM Pro 4i; JPX 900 Forged 5 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollingGreens Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 16 hours ago, dlow206 said: Had an enlightening moment regarding my driver setup today after my round, on the range. Had been hitting some big push fades, push slices, which I hate. I believe much of the issue is setup. First problem is ball placement being too far toward the middle of my stance vs. being more forward toward the front foot. Its not literally in the middle of my stance but its too much in that direction. However, changing that in isolation doesn't fix my issue. The second big piece is shoulder alignment. Even when my feet are square and the clubface is setup square, my shoulders aim to the right. Its sort of like my shoulders are pointing towards the target rather than setup parallel to the target. After setting up my shoulders more square and ball more forward, i started to hit the ball much more on-line and farther than normal. Ball was traveling either straight or small left to right fade. Even when I hit the ball off the line i intended, it wasn't a massive miss. Using the alignment sticks to at least make sure your body is set up to the intended target is helpful. Takes one of the variables out of the equation to let you cross check the other areas Quote Stealth 2 Plus 9deg Kai' li Red Stealth 2 13deg Aldilla Rogue Silver Stealth 2 15deg Aldilla Rogue Silver JPX 921 Hot Metal 4-PW Nippon Modus 120s SM8 54 and 58deg Dynamic Gold Wedge Flex Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Titleist ProV1 Hoofer Stand Bag Stewart Q Follow Electric Caddie 300 PRO Rangefinder Official Nippon Regio B+ Driver Shaft Review Official Stewart Q Follow Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, cnosil said: Nitpicking wording. Not sure aligned toward target is correct. People will try to be parallel to Target line. Aligning toward target would be a closed setup. People may also want to setup open to promote a fade. Not going to get into the target vs where you are aiming. GG dives into alignment in his course and talks about it both as a stock setup and also that the shorter the club the more open one should be, but he also gets into matchups like you mention for hitting different types of shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 18 hours ago, dlow206 said: Had an enlightening moment regarding my driver setup today after my round, on the range. Had been hitting some big push fades, push slices, which I hate. I believe much of the issue is setup. First problem is ball placement being too far toward the middle of my stance vs. being more forward toward the front foot. Its not literally in the middle of my stance but its too much in that direction. However, changing that in isolation doesn't fix my issue. The second big piece is shoulder alignment. Even when my feet are square and the clubface is setup square, my shoulders aim to the right. Its sort of like my shoulders are pointing towards the target rather than setup parallel to the target. After setting up my shoulders more square and ball more forward, i started to hit the ball much more on-line and farther than normal. Ball was traveling either straight or small left to right fade. Even when I hit the ball off the line i intended, it wasn't a massive miss. It's easy to misalign your feet using your toes, especially if you flare your feet like I do. Better to use an alignment stick on your heels. When I flare my toes, I tend to align to the right... and so do my shoulders. Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, Kenny B said: It's easy to misalign your feet using your toes, especially if you flare your feet like I do. Better to use an alignment stick on your heels. When I flare my toes, I tend to align to the right... and so do my shoulders. So much this. GG talks about this in the alignment section of his swing module. I’ve seen other instructors talk about it in videos too. Kenny B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 19, 2021 Author Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said: GG dives into alignment in his course and talks about it both as a stock setup and also that the shorter the club the more open one should be, but he also gets into matchups like you mention for hitting different types of shots. I get myself in trouble with doing this correctly, because when i start to open up my stance slightly, then I start to point the clubface left along with it, instead of pointing the clubface towards the target which I am intending to do. Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, dlow206 said: I get myself in trouble with doing this correctly, because when i start to open up my stance slightly, then I start to point the clubface left along with it, instead of pointing the clubface towards the target which I am intending to do. You can put a club or alignment stick perpendicular to the target line and place the face of the club on it so that it stays square the the target as you open or close your stance. dlow206 and cnosil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 You can put a club or alignment stick perpendicular to the target line and place the face of the club on it so that it stays square the the target as you open or close your stance. Also can Put a tee on the target line. You can aim the face at the tee or a grass spot when playing Shawn Clement also talks about this a lot in his videos and is more what you see on the course. Martin Chuck always advocates aLine across the feet and one forBall position like you mention. NM01 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, cnosil said: Also can Put a tee on the target line. You can aim the face at the tee or a grass spot when playing Shawn Clement also talks about this a lot in his videos. Lots of ways to skin that cat. Seen some use a 2x4 that can also be into and impact drill at the same time RollingGreens and cnosil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jerabek Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Stick to your lessons on a regular basis. Then practice with a purpose. Vegan_Golfer_PNW 1 Quote Driver Titleist Tsi 3 9.75* Fairway Titleist 5, 7 woods Hybrd Titleist TSR 2 21* or Utility iron Mizuno HiFly 4 Irons Mizuno Pro 245 5-P Wedges Vokey SM9 48*, 54*, and 58* Putter Scotty Cameron Newport super select Ball Titleist ProV 1X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 So I know it seems like I have ADHD in terms of which coach i am working with at any point in time. I decided to work with Monte again and stick with it. He recently identified some very specific items in my backswing that hadn't been identified by other coaches. While my swing had been looking pretty decent to date, the two main items that Monte had called out have made a significant difference in low point control, getting my arms and pivot more in sync, etc. The two things called out were: - I was getting pressure on to my left side much too early in the backswing. i was essentially never getting pressure to the right side. i think that stemmed from me previously having a sway and trying to make a centered pivot and trying to get to my left side earlier. i basically then ingrained over doing it. this made my swing feel very unathletic - My arms were getting jammed near the top of my backswing at the point where my body stopped rotating, so my arms reacted by continuing to move to get more space. This action caused my arms and pivot get out of sync, which just made it harder for me to make a good, proper downswing. I could do it okay at times, but Monte was saying i was making it really hard on myself. I think i now know best how to work with Monte going forward, what his communication style is like, how he likes to best work with students, etc. I have a better understanding on how to use his Improvement Plan, its not for identifying new issues or addressing my random questions, its for making sure i am not screwing up what i was prescribed to do between lessons. I had sent him the videos below today just to make sure I wasn't screwing up what he told me to work on, and i got back probably the most positive comment ever from Monte, "brilliant". Swing is looking and feeling great. I know that we often one day feel great and then all of a sudden lose it all. I have taken notes on my phone on what exact feelings I need to have to make the swing I want to, and will go back to that when things go awry. sirchunksalot, cnosil, Kenny B and 1 other 4 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah T Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 I am sort of in this weird mental space. Golf swing vs. what works better on-course. One thing I noticed yesterday was that my eyes wander off the ball when I start my backswing, and that wandering of the eyes makes my ball contact inconsistent. Now, when I properly keep my eyes focused on the ball, contact is a million times better, but on video, I look less shallow in transition. I need to stop chasing what looks nice on video and focus on what works well plus what my instructor wants me to work on. I dealt with the “wandering eyes” for over a season; I was working on shortening my back swing while still completely turning, while adding a bit of wrist flexion. I couldn’t stop looking back at my hands when I got to the top! Eventually I just accepted that what I was working on would become habit if I just kept grinding on it. 2 years later it isn’t an issue. I like to just swing whatever swing I brought to the course while I’m playing, and worry about technique during lessons/practice.Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Kenny B and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Driver - Cobra LtDxLS 3 Wood - Ping g410 LST 2iron - Titleist U505 Irons - Ping i59 Wedges - Vokey Sm9 Putter - Mizuno Mcraft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 28, 2021 Author Share Posted April 28, 2021 One of the things I have learned from Monte is how to look at my own swing and identify when things are going wrong. Everyone has unique tendencies, so its essentially understanding and being able to spot my own tendencies on video. I think that is helpful for being able to correct things before the wrong things get ingrained. Shapotomous and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 Had my next big breakthrough with my swing over the last few days. Had been hitting the ball like trash for a while, and I went back to my online lesson with Monte, as well as what he mentioned in the past. One of the common themes was arm overswing. My arm overswing is a problem for me because it also comes with: flat hip/shoulder turn, arms keep going back even when the body stop turning in the backswing, etc. My arms and pivot get out of sync in the downswing, and its all timing to hit the ball decently. I spent some time watching some older videos about how to know your backswing and turn is long enough for you personally. It had to do with getting in golf posture, holding a shaft or long stick across your chest, and making a rotation. When your body stops moving during that drill (without standing up and losing posture), thats the max turn you should have in your swing. What I found was that my max turn coincides with my left arm touching my chin in the backswing. So i worked on that and it has really made a difference in my swing. While my swing doesn't really look that much shorter, i used to make all sorts of inefficient movement previously, and most of that is gone now. Now I am less likely to EE as much, less stuck, not backing out of the shot to make room for my arms, etc. Monte likes the changes and how my swing is looking and just mentioned I am a little to bent over at setup, which I will fix. sirchunksalot, Kenny B, Nolan220 and 1 other 4 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted May 13, 2021 Author Share Posted May 13, 2021 I just video taped my driver swing. doesn't even look like a swing from the same person lol. It so different than my iron swing and i see why i am so hot and cold with my driver. Time to rebuild driver swing. Not ready to post any videos yet, its too crappy for right now. Kenny B, Vegan_Golfer_PNW and sirchunksalot 2 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 I've always had a struggle with my arms moving from impact to finish position. My arms tend to get narrow instead of extended, and I could never figure out why. I figured out that if I let my head release a bit sooner post impact, and have that intent in mind, everything moves a little bit better (arms, pivot, etc.). So was working on that today. Was also working on setting up with a very slight hip bump towards the target. That helps me get some pressure onto the right side during the backswing, otherwise I tend to stay too much on my left side. The net of course limits the ability to see ball light, but the ball was coming off the face much stronger, with less effort. Sent a video for a quick check-in with Monte and he said swing is looking good, just need a little bit more knee bend at setup. Vegan_Golfer_PNW and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 So I have realized, and its taken me a long time to realize, and I need to document it here. Anytime I struggle to make good swings (based on video), I need to check my grip. I don't mean everytime I hit bad shots, that part is expected. But if my swing starts getting too steep, I feel like its a lot of effort to make a good swing on camera, etc., I need to check my grip. Whenever one or both of my hands get too strong, it makes golf really hard for me. I can't play very well with too strong of a grip. I need to be closer to neutral. Vegan_Golfer_PNW, sirchunksalot, Kenny B and 1 other 4 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan_Golfer_PNW Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 So @dlow206, how have your recent rounds been? Any improvements? Broken into the 80s yet? I am wondering if you may have a little paralysis by analysis, kinda like me and equipment. twyatt700, Kenny B, sirchunksalot and 1 other 2 2 Quote Follow my journey to enjoying golf and going low Driver: Epic Max LS TD Cat 4 60g 3wHL: Rogue ST LS 75x Tensei AV Blue w/ xlink 7w: Apex UW 21* MMT 80S DI: Caley 01X 18* with PGH Stiff plus 95g 4-AW: 0211 with Tour Stiff 2.5* up 3/4" long, Soft stepped, MOI matched Wedges Zipcore Putter:Directed Force 2.1 69*/35" in blue Ball: Prime 4.0 Shot Tracking: Bag: Vessel VLX 2.0 Grip: Lamkin Sonar + Midsize Glove: My Reviews: Caley 01X Driving Iron Review 2023 Max Swing Speed Training and Speed Progress: Current Speed 120 in the MGS Speed Challenge (updated 3/15/23) TAIII #2 Review here: TAIII Impact #2 Putter ) Zipcore Tour Rack 54/full and 58/mid (review here) 0211 2019 Unofficial Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said: So @dlow206, how have your recent rounds been? Any improvements? Broken into the 80s yet? I am wondering if you may have a little paralysis by analysis, kinda like me and equipment. Have had ups and downs recently, haven't had any sort of reliability with pitch and chips, that has hurt me a lot lately. Most of my swing faults are accentuated when my grip is off. Not saying that my scores will automatically improve from fixing my grip, my a faulty grip makes golf a lot harder for me. Kenny B, sirchunksalot and Vegan_Golfer_PNW 3 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlH Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 @dlow206 Has anyone ever looked at your posture? In some of the videos of yours that I've seen, your shoulders and back are very rounded. Don't know how old the videos that I saw were or if you're actually as hunched as you appear to be in the setup or not, but that can restrict your turn considerably. Just an observation. I'm not a swing coach, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once sirchunksalot and Chip Strokes 2 Quote Driver: Black Ops 12* with Cypher 50 5.0 Fairway: Black Ops 3 wood with Cypher 50 5.0 Hybrids: Black Ops 19* and 22* with Cypher 50 5.0 Irons: Gen6 6, 7, 8, 9, W, G with Cypher 50 5.0 Wedges: Sugar Daddy II 52* and 56* with Cypher 50 5.0 Putter: DF 2.1 -- BGT Stability shaft @ 34" Ball: Tour, Chrome Tour, Pro V1 Other: C10 Bag, glove My Photography can be seen at Smugmug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 13 minutes ago, CarlH said: @dlow206 Has anyone ever looked at your posture? In some of the videos of yours that I've seen, your shoulders and back are very rounded. Don't know how old the videos that I saw were or if you're actually as hunched as you appear to be in the setup or not, but that can restrict your turn considerably. Just an observation. I'm not a swing coach, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once Hunched shoulders don’t really restrict the swing. Bad posture in golf is better than good posture. If it causes balance points to be off then that will have an impact on ability to turn. In the videos I’ve seen of his the ability to turn isn’t an issue. It’s more of what Monte has pointed out in his recent lessons of where pressure is during the swing Kenny B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 41 minutes ago, CarlH said: @dlow206 Has anyone ever looked at your posture? In some of the videos of yours that I've seen, your shoulders and back are very rounded. Don't know how old the videos that I saw were or if you're actually as hunched as you appear to be in the setup or not, but that can restrict your turn considerably. Just an observation. I'm not a swing coach, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once 26 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: Hunched shoulders don’t really restrict the swing. Bad posture in golf is better than good posture. If it causes balance points to be off then that will have an impact on ability to turn. In the videos I’ve seen of his the ability to turn isn’t an issue. It’s more of what Monte has pointed out in his recent lessons of where pressure is during the swing As @RickyBobby_PR mentioned, a lot of the recent golf instruction talks a lot about the bad posture being good golf posture, like George Gankas and others. For me, I naturally have bad posture, so my natural posture aligns with what new age instruction is saying, so I just setup with my naturally crappy posture. The only thing Monte said specifically about my posture is sometimes I need a little more knee bend. The main issues that Monte has pointed out are not getting pressure to the right side to start the swing, and then also overrun of arms at the top of the swing because my arms get jammed up to my chest. My other main issue from my own observation as I mentioned a few posts up is when my grip starts getting sloppy (too strong), I start making weird manipulations in the backswing, get steeper than I would like in the downswing at times, stall hips on the downswing, flip, and all sorts of other problems. Having a more neutral grip, not too strong, not too weak, helps me swing better. Kenny B, NM01 and sirchunksalot 3 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 1 hour ago, dlow206 said: a lot of the recent golf instruction talks a lot about the bad posture being good golf posture, like George Gankas and others. For me, I naturally have bad posture, so my natural posture aligns with what new age instruction is saying, so I just setup with my naturally crappy posture. It’s more of instructors going back to what the best players used to do. Sam Snead, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus, Greg Norman just to name a few that don’t have the late 90s/early 2000 type swing of straight backs and the restricted hip turn for power type swing. Even Monte uses the bad posture setup. He talks about tucking the hips like GG does in either his fundamental video or driver for dough Kenny B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMart519 Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 4 hours ago, dlow206 said: As @RickyBobby_PR mentioned, a lot of the recent golf instruction talks a lot about the bad posture being good golf posture, like George Gankas and others. For me, I naturally have bad posture, so my natural posture aligns with what new age instruction is saying, so I just setup with my naturally crappy posture. The only thing Monte said specifically about my posture is sometimes I need a little more knee bend. The main issues that Monte has pointed out are not getting pressure to the right side to start the swing, and then also overrun of arms at the top of the swing because my arms get jammed up to my chest. My other main issue from my own observation as I mentioned a few posts up is when my grip starts getting sloppy (too strong), I start making weird manipulations in the backswing, get steeper than I would like in the downswing at times, stall hips on the downswing, flip, and all sorts of other problems. Having a more neutral grip, not too strong, not too weak, helps me swing better. Why does a stronger grip require you to pivot stall and flip to close the face if the strong grip promotes a shut face? Vegan_Golfer_PNW 1 Quote G425 MAX Driver & 5W Baffler Rail-H 3H-4H 699 Pro Utility V2 - 4i APEX CF19 6-AW INDI Wedges 52, 56, 60 EAS 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted May 22, 2021 Author Share Posted May 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, BMart519 said: Why does a stronger grip require you to pivot stall and flip to close the face if the strong grip promotes a shut face? I am basically this player from the article: "Finally, if the stronger top-hand grip does succeed in creating a closed club face, it often creates a “blocking action” at the bottom of the swing. Golfers do this to keep shots from going left, and use a hanging-back motion to give the club face some loft so they can hit it higher. This is the classic move of a “shut-to-open” player, who usually suffers severe toe hits in the process." https://www.golfwrx.com/317096/the-problem-with-a-strong-grip/ My clubface with a strong left hand is completely closed at the top of the backswing. Sort of like DJ but not quite that much and for me its closed with a flat wrist, im not bowing. Also, I am a "slow hips" player, and to make that strong grip with closed clubface at the top work, i need to have good rotation and get more open at impact. When I try to get more open at impact on purpose, I tend to start hip spinning which is not good. I used to hit everything low and left with the closed clubface. After improving some aspects of my swing, i would try to hold on, and then flip the clubface a bit to add some loft or else the ball is not getting much air. Also, the quote above, is me to a tee, severe toe hits. Also, not everyone is the same, its just the way my body reacts to what is happening in my swing. sirchunksalot 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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