TBS Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Did anyone else see this on r/golf over the weekend? Here is what the face of the Stealth looked like after the PGA show. Here is a link to the full post with more pics. I know that it took a ton of shots but any markings on the face concern me. There were a number of comments of people who had fittings with them already that were surprised with the number of markings. Is this something to be concerned about? I know carbon fiber can be very strong but I also know that if there is any damage to it, it becomes extremely weak and compromised. CanadaMike, GolfSpy_APH, SMUGamer and 5 others 6 2 M6 12* Oban Kiyoshi Purple 65g stiff TS2 16.5* HL Oban Kiyoshi Purple 75g stiff G410 Hybrid 19* Tour stiff i210 KBS tour stiff 4-GW 54* RTX Zipcore 58* glide 3.0 TP Black Copper Juno 34in Oncore elixr or Snell MTBx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pakman92 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 That's actually the polyurethane cover (nanotexture cover, TM calls it) over the carbon fiber. So the 'damage' you see is on the cover and not the carbon fiber itself. None of the less, if the picture is really showing damage to the cover, that's concerning, because that nanotexture cover is supposed to fine tune the spin and launch characteristics in wet(?) conditions. It's hard to tell in the picture. I have to assume TM has done enough testing on the cover material, but who knows. fixyurdivot, SMUGamer, Rich Noggins and 3 others 5 1 Epic Max LS 11.5° (10.5°+1) w/ Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 6 stiff Epic Flash 3 Wood 17° (15°+2) w/ Project X Even Flow Green 60 stiff Super Hybrid 21° (20°+1) w/ Mitsubishi Tensei CK Orange 80 stiff Rogue Hybrid 5 (24°) w/ Aldila Synergy 60 HYB Graphite stiff 2021 P790 Irons 5-AW (1° flat, weakened lofts) w/ Aerotech Steelfiber i95 cw regular CBX2 Wedges 54°, 58° w/ True Temper DG 115 Wedge flex Odyssey White Hot OG #1 Stroke Lab, 33 in Pro V1 Bushnell Launch Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 hours ago, TBS said: Did anyone else see this on r/golf over the weekend? Here is what the face of the Stealth looked like after the PGA show. Here is a link to the full post with more pics. I know that it took a ton of shots but any markings on the face concern me. There were a number of comments of people who had fittings with them already that were surprised with the number of markings. Is this something to be concerned about? I know carbon fiber can be very strong but I also know that if there is any damage to it, it becomes extremely weak and compromised. Very interesting. I know metal faces get marks in the mas well, but thats mainly wear of paint. I guess for TM what really matters is their microgrooves they have in the cover (I can recall some of the reviews call the feel a bit soft so these marks aren't too surprising). If these microgrooves make a big impact on launch and spin conditions then yeah I for sure could see this being a question for performance as it's use goes on. Or is this more like a regular driver that gets that discolouration after so many hits? Regardless will be interesting to see follow along with. I may be going in to do a fitting today for a driver and stealth is on my list to hit... I wonder how their demo will look? JohnSmalls, GolfSpy_BOS, SMUGamer and 2 others 5 as of Oct 5, 2024 (Past WITB) Driver: GT2 with Graphite Design AD CQ - check out the Driver Shootout! Wood: GT2 with Graphite Design AD CQ shaft (still love my Cobra F7's) Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,57 or SM10 45,49,53,57 degree wedges Putter: LINK! Full putter shootout incoming Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Golf Bag: Ghost Anyday 5.0 Golf bag - Maverick colorway with MGS Logo Other: Vortex Anarch Rangefinder, searching for electric cart, Red Rooster The Root Glove and more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 7 hours ago, pakman92 said: I have to assume TM has done enough testing on the cover material, but who knows. Agreed. This thing has been in development most likely for years and that face material has seen hundreds of thousands of shots. If marking was a concern leading to failure they would have worked that out long ago. GolfSpy_BOS, CanadaMike and Golfspy_CG2 3 In my Big Max hybrid bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Halo XL 5i-DW CBX 54* & 58* ER5 Tour S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 They’ve been working on this for 20 years and they along with everyone else put their faces thru thousands of shots. What I want to see is all the beads that were at the demo day and not just one head. As of now this isn’t a concern imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 I’ll have to look at the ones at HQ to see if there is any noticeable damage. I also reached out to ask Phillip if he was seeing the same thing. Wonder which OEM was using stealth drivers; TM wasn’t at the PGA show. JohnSmalls, tony@CIC and PMookie 3 Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Heard back from Phillip and he isn’t seeing any marks; other than sky marks , on the ones in most wanted testing. He did mention that they do have issues with the fiducials coming off the face. GolfSpy_BOS and Rich Noggins 1 1 Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, cnosil said: Heard back from Phillip and he isn’t seeing any marks; other than sky marks , on the ones in most wanted testing. He did mention that they do have issues with the fiducials coming off the face. What types of tees are used at the test center? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, jlukes said: What types of tees are used at the test center? I used epoch since the tees are too high for my liking. Don’t know if this is the specific brand but these look right; yes they are softer than the epoch tees. https://www.realfeelgolfmats.com/product/adjustable-practice-mat-tee-combo/ Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, cnosil said: Wonder which OEM was using stealth drivers; TM wasn’t at the PGA show. Now that's interesting. Competitor staff using a scarred ball in an attempt to slow down this years marketing phenom? TBS, tony@CIC and PMookie 3 G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisag Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 4 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: Now that's interesting. Competitor staff using a scarred ball in an attempt to slow down this years marketing phenom? ... One of the "tricks" at the pga show when TM was an exhibitor was finding a shaft company that used their new driver (among others) to showcase their shafts. Since they used a LM for every hitting station, TM could have as much as a 2-3 hour wait to hit their clubs and you could often step right up and hit them at a shaft OEM tent. MGoBlue100, Hobert, cnosil and 1 other 4 Driver: Qi10 10.5* ... AutoFlex Dream 7 SF405 Fairway: Qi10 5 wood ... Kai'Li Blue 70r Hybrids: G430 Hybrid 22*... Alta Hy70r Irons: P770 5-pw ... Steelfiber i80r TP UDi 4 ... Steelfiber i80r Wedges: MG3 46*/50*/54* MG4 58* ... Steelfiber i95r Putter: Custom 5.1 (no alignment) 33" Ball: '24 TP5x/Maxfli Tour X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 5 hours ago, cnosil said: I’ll have to look at the ones at HQ to see if there is any noticeable damage. I also reached out to ask Phillip if he was seeing the same thing. Wonder which OEM was using stealth drivers; TM wasn’t at the PGA show. 4 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: Now that's interesting. Competitor staff using a scarred ball in an attempt to slow down this years marketing phenom? No it's most likely oneof the shaft companies, llike Fujikura. The use all the OEM heads int their booths to demo their shafts. Kind of tough to demo a shaft without a head As a longtime visitor of the show, it's one of the little secrets, instead of waiting an hour in the TM booth to demo the new line, just go to Fuji, or UST or Graphite Design, they all have them! 3 minutes ago, chisag said: ... One of the "tricks" at the pga show when TM was an exhibitor was finding a shaft company that used their new driver (among others) to showcase their shafts. Since they used a LM for every hitting station, TM could have as much as a 2-3 hour wait to hit their clubs and you could often step right up and hit them at a shaft OEM tent. LOL!! Chi! We must have been typing the same thing at the same time You know what they say about great minds daviddvm, Nolan220, GolfSpy_BOS and 6 others 6 3 G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 But back to the original point. As @RickyBobby_PR and @cnosil have eluded to. TM has hit I'm sure tens of thousands of shots with this material. What is a typical player going to hit ove rthe course of the life of a driver. Several hundred maybe? I'm confident as well it won't be an issue. Also it was a demo day, clubs get treated worse there than a disgruntled O'hara international baggage handler. Have you ever seen the demo clubs in a bin a Golf Galaxy or PGA Superstore, they have been trough the ringer getting banged around and topped by weekend warriors. NM01, russtopherb, Kanoito and 3 others 3 3 G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manavs Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 I was with the person who took these photos, and have done extensive testing of gears with the stealth. The face does not pass the fingernail test as defined by the usga. Tees leave a mark as does your finger. I have no idea how tm got away with this. Side note. Carbon doesn't spin, so the "jelly" face is adding spin to make the carbon usable as a face material. SMUGamer, d.lama, russtopherb and 4 others 4 3 Staffer Staffer www.MANAVIANGolf.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcoz Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: No it's most likely oneof the shaft companies, llike Fujikura. The use all the OEM heads int their booths to demo their shafts. Kind of tough to demo a shaft without a head As a longtime visitor of the show, it's one of the little secrets, instead of waiting an hour in the TM booth to demo the new line, just go to Fuji, or UST or Graphite Design, they all have them! LOL!! Chi! We must have been typing the same thing at the same time You know what they say about great minds FYI, Fujikura wasn't at the show either along with all of the Big OEMs. They were debuting new product in a new release Launch. Not sure what high end shaft companies were there. I didn't go this year myself. Golfspy_CG2 1 In the bag: Playing --- TaylorMade STEALTH Plus 9.0 driver w/Fujikura Ventus TR Blue 6S. 3wd TM SIM (set @ 16*) with Fuji Atmos Blue Tour Spec 7S. 5 wd TM SIM w/Fujikura Speeder 857TR-S (Japan made) (set @18.5*). HyBrids-Cleveland Hi-Bore #1 (16* plays like 2-Iron) W/Fuji-S Tipped 1/2"., SIM-2 Max #3* with Ventus HB Velocore 8-S, SIM Max #4 (set @ 21.5* w/ Fuji Atmos HB Black Tour Spec 9S, Irons TM P770 4-8i, TM P7MC 9i & PW all w/Fuji Pro 95i-S. SW Cleveland RTX-4 52/10 bent to-to 53/11* w/Dynamic Gold TOUR Issue S-400, LW- TM Hi-Toe 58 Modified-grind bent to 59* w/Black Dynamic Gold 105 S300, Putter-- BOBBY GRACE Night&Day-Custom, "M.Coz-Bandsaw Prototype". Ball TaylorMade 2021 TP5X. Alternates in the 5wd, Hybrids depending on what part of the country, course, climate, and conditions.e M.Coz variation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manavs Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Graphite Design had some as did the GEARs booth on the etc range MGoBlue100 1 Staffer Staffer www.MANAVIANGolf.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBS Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 34 minutes ago, Manavs said: I was with the person who took these photos, and have done extensive testing of gears with the stealth. The face does not pass the fingernail test as defined by the usga. Tees leave a mark as does your finger. I have no idea how tm got away with this. Side note. Carbon doesn't spin, so the "jelly" face is adding spin to make the carbon usable as a face material. Interesting thought, if true. Anybody else have perspective on this? M6 12* Oban Kiyoshi Purple 65g stiff TS2 16.5* HL Oban Kiyoshi Purple 75g stiff G410 Hybrid 19* Tour stiff i210 KBS tour stiff 4-GW 54* RTX Zipcore 58* glide 3.0 TP Black Copper Juno 34in Oncore elixr or Snell MTBx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaMike Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Interesting topic! My first thought was I wonder how this will affect the used market of these clubs. So many people buy clubs that are 1-6 years old and if the face is all scratched up they might look at a different model. Avid recreational golfer with a 9 handicap, looking to make major equipment upgrades this year Cobra Speed Pro X 10.5° with Aldila VS Proto 65g shaft Cobra S2 3-Wood 15° with Fujikura Regular flex 65g shaft Founders Club Hybrids (3 & 4) and Irons (5-PW) with Regular shaft 50° and 56° CG14 with Zip Groves and 8° & 11° bounce with Wedge Flex shaft 60° REG.588 Tour Action with Wedge Flex shaft TaylorMade Ghost TM 110 Putter 34" Undecided on what Golf Ball to use this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 hours ago, mcoz said: FYI, Fujikura wasn't at the show either along with all of the Big OEMs. They were debuting new product in a new release Launch. Not sure what high end shaft companies were there. I didn't go this year myself. Gotcha. Not being there I was just guessing. Perhaps Graphite Design? I saw @McGolf do an interview with them. Which was very good by the way. Jim. Can you tell us whst shaft companies were there. tony@CIC 1 G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dweed Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 He did mention that they do have issues with the fiducials coming off the face. Please help us with less capable golf vocab to understand the above please. Thanks tony@CIC and Headhammer 2 D- Ping G 400 SFT 16*- Adams Tight Lie 19*- Adams Tight Lie 4H- Ping G 400 5-U- Ping G 400 SW- Nike 56*- Ping Glide 2 P- Sub70 004 Mallet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Manavs said: I was with the person who took these photos, and have done extensive testing of gears with the stealth. The face does not pass the fingernail test as defined by the usga. Tees leave a mark as does your finger. I have no idea how tm got away with this. Side note. Carbon doesn't spin, so the "jelly" face is adding spin to make the carbon usable as a face material. At this point, we don't know how that head was treated prior to the photos. Looks pretty beat up in ways more than just hitting balls. Why not post a video showing that the club doesn't pass the fingernail test; would be interesting to see. 10 minutes ago, Dweed said: He did mention that they do have issues with the fiducials coming off the face. Please help us with less capable golf vocab to understand the above please. Thanks The stickers put on the face of the clubs to measure club data on GC Quad and Trackman. Headhammer, fixyurdivot, NM01 and 3 others 6 Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Place me squarely in the skeptic pile to think that TM overlooked a basic conformance/design requirement such as noted above. But if they did, this will go down as the biggest bust in golf product launch history . GPS111, tony@CIC, Manavs and 3 others 5 1 G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manavs Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Correction - YOU don't know how the driver was treated. I on the other hand, took my fingernail, and left a mark in the face. It wasn't my head, now was I planning on sharing any of this info at the time I saw the head at the pga show - never mind posting it here on mgs. I just happened to come across this thread in an email today and thought some of those who weren't there would like to hear some additional data on one person's experience from the actual show. Take my $0.02 for what it's worth. I highly recommend everyone who sees one in person check two things - 1) try to put a mark in the face using your fingernail 2) check the seam between the crown and body for uniformity around the edges. The stealth, and stealth plus (for the 6 heads I've personally seen), have varying degrees of uniformity. Some places the crown is higher than the body, other times the body is higher. SMUGamer 1 Staffer Staffer www.MANAVIANGolf.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, Manavs said: Correction - YOU don't know how the driver was treated. I on the other hand, took my fingernail, and left a mark in the face. It wasn't my head, now was I planning on sharing any of this info at the time I saw the head at the pga show - never mind posting it here on mgs. I just happened to come across this thread in an email today and thought some of those who weren't there would like to hear some additional data on one person's experience from the actual show. Take my $0.02 for what it's worth. I highly recommend everyone who sees one in person check two things - 1) try to put a mark in the face using your fingernail 2) check the seam between the crown and body for uniformity around the edges. The stealth, and stealth plus (for the 6 heads I've personally seen), have varying degrees of uniformity. Some places the crown is higher than the body, other times the body is higher. It is great that you saw and experienced this. Why wouldn't you have posted it here? What booth had this head at the show? Until I see the fingernail leave a mark or someone that I know shows me a head I will have doubts. All I have seen is a few photos of a head that looks like it has been abused. I checked some of the heads at MGS and none of them have marks; no I didn't try to put a fingernail into the face but I will reach out to them and get them to try tomorrow. NM01, Golfspy_CG2, GolfSpy_APH and 3 others 6 Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: Paradym AI Smoke Max HL 16.5* w/MCA TENSEI AV Series Blue Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Render w/VA Composites Baddazz Backup Putters: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe, Milled Collection RSX 2 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manavs Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, cnosil said: It is great that you saw and experienced this. Why wouldn't you have posted it here? What booth had this head at the show? Until I see the fingernail leave a mark or someone that I know shows me a head I will have doubts. All I have seen is a few photos of a head that looks like it has been abused. I checked some of the heads at MGS and none of them have marks; no I didn't try to put a fingernail into the face but I will reach out to them and get them to try tomorrow. As I mentioned earlier, the graphite design booth had some heads, as did the GEARs booth. The GEARs booth head was the one in the reddit photo. Why wouldn't I post it here? or anywhere for that matter - I'm not the guy to be the messenger on this one. I simply wanted to add some color from my observations. I don't have the patience to keep up with posts in public forums. My friend Bill Presse posted the original pic on his fb - i'll post the link below. This driver was treated the best as it was calibrated for use with GEARs - meaning the driver wasnt just thrown around. Bag rattle sans headcover, plastic tees are going to be problematic. The original Japanese Gloire reserve version has a problem with sharpie ink permanently embossing into the face that wouldnt come off even with acetone. That doesnt seem to be the case with this one. https://www.facebook.com/bill.presse/posts/7221563874535473 cnosil and fixyurdivot 2 Staffer Staffer www.MANAVIANGolf.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarkWGriswoldIII Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 I've learned a lesson over the years to not immediately jump into the new thing and to let the new technology prove itself on a widespread basis before jumping in. I'd certainly trust TM to have done the proper testing and don't question those who are buying, but my nature would guide me to wait and see on something like this. SMUGamer, Manavs and d.lama 3 Aerojet LS driver G425 Max 5-wood G425 Max 7-wood Hot Metal 921, 5-GW, UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Graphite (currently testing New Level 480DB) CBX ZipCore Chrome 52* 56* 60* Wedges HB SOFT 2 Putter – Model 8C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NM01 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 28 minutes ago, ClarkWGriswoldIII said: I've learned a lesson over the years to not immediately jump into the new thing and to let the new technology prove itself on a widespread basis before jumping in. I'd certainly trust TM to have done the proper testing and don't question those who are buying, but my nature would guide me to wait and see on something like this. It may be new release but TaylorMade has been working on this for 20 years and finalizing it over the last year. Jailbreak was a 5 year project and everyone jumped all over that. Even praised Callaway for being innovative. they the jumped all in on the Callaway AI. Nothing coming to the market is new, it’s all being worked on over the years. russtopherb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nike7227 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, mcoz said: FYI, Fujikura wasn't at the show either along with all of the Big OEMs. They were debuting new product in a new release Launch. Not sure what high end shaft companies were there. I didn't go this year myself. Having went to the show, I can tell you that yes new product was available to hit from Taylormade (Stealth line), Cobra (LTDx line) and Callaway (Rogue ST line). But they were located at the Graphite Design, Nippon, Flightscope, Garmin and Trackman booths...Tour Spec Golf was there with all different shafts and heads as well... Plus, the PGA section had Cubs to hit. I was actually able to hit more new product during the show than the golf stores had in demo product at the time of the show. As a result, I'm only needing to try 1 or 2 more shafts out before pulling the trigger on a Rogue ST. The tees used at the show were your standard plastic tees. During the inside part of the show, the driving range was covered in them the 1st 15 yds or so onto the turf since the tees don't stay in place. Edited February 1, 2022 by nike7227 Golfspy_CG2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfzilla70 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Just my two cents' worth: i see markings there for sure, but that carbon face will outlast their super-thin titanium faces, over the life of the driver. And that's primarily because they get right to the very limit on the thin face so a golfer can get that rebound. But 90% of golfers rarely hit the driver so often that they'll see such a breakdown before they're buying a new driver anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarkWGriswoldIII Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 10 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said: It may be new release but TaylorMade has been working on this for 20 years and finalizing it over the last year. Jailbreak was a 5 year project and everyone jumped all over that. Even praised Callaway for being innovative. they the jumped all in on the Callaway AI. Nothing coming to the market is new, it’s all being worked on over the years. Agreed, that's why I said "I'd certainly trust TM to have done the proper testing." It's just my nature to wait and see on materials changes and let others venture in first. Maybe that's why I have a 5 year old driver! Aerojet LS driver G425 Max 5-wood G425 Max 7-wood Hot Metal 921, 5-GW, UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Graphite (currently testing New Level 480DB) CBX ZipCore Chrome 52* 56* 60* Wedges HB SOFT 2 Putter – Model 8C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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