Cart bag with built in 3 wheel cart. (hidden inside). Coming soon.

[GolfSpy_APH]

3 minutes ago, ParadaxGolf.com said:

My apologies, I am just an inventor/product developer with a cool concept and prototype. I didn't know how the site works. Product won't be available for probably a year so I just wanted to put some feelers out to get some feedback.

I will definitely send out samples to your forum members when I build the first 100.

Thanks.

 

As mentioned its on the fence, but I get where you are coming from which is why we kept the thread open and no message was sent. We want proper golf discussion and so far that is whats happening here so we can continue on. 

[mynerds]

Hey man, first off all the support in the world for trying to create something new. New product development is fraught with challenges and is not for the faint of heart. I wish you all the best in your endeavors here!

Based on the photos you sent, it seems like you're doing well in the early stages of the prototyping process. My product development experience is in a different market, but to my untrained eye it looks like you've been working on retrofitting existing collapsible push cart parts to a Mizuno BR-D4C cart bag. I think this is a great way to start playing with your ideas and seeing what works/what doesn't work. You have a few things going for you in that approach. For one, it helps you understand how the product can actually work, as opposed to what can be rendered quickly and cheaply by graphic artists. For another, it can help you play with specific parts and materials you'll need to source later. Those three-spoked rear wheels are common in the white-labeled drop-shipped carts on amazon (which may have been where they were pulled from), so sourcing similar parts should be easier than custom injection-molded wheels, for example.

If you've worked in product development before, I'll be preaching to the choir in saying that tooling for your product will likely be your biggest challenge. If you're not fully outsourcing the product development, you're looking at a wide range of materials and likely will need multiple manufacturing partners (your fabric, plastic, and metal components may not be produced under one roof) plus assembly and likely sub-assembly partners to get this out the door at scale. Much of this is going to come out of the APAC region, and you'll need to plan your work hours and travel accordingly. Coming up with a novel idea is hard, prototyping is harder, but your mettle is tested most in tooling IMO. If you haven't already, I would highly, highly, highly recommend looking into that process more particularly before pursuing kickstarter funding. Many kickstarters have failed because they underestimated the challenges in manufacturing at scale. Check out the posts for the Gravity Caddy project and see the (ongoing) challenges the project has had in the tooling phase for nearly two years for a mechanically simpler product.

(Not a lawyer, this is not legal advice) As for the patents pending worldwide, I would encourage you to wait until you are done prototyping before pursing the patent route. At first glance, there are a few existing patents which may be substantially similar to your product in functionality. Making sure your product is substantially different can help avoid legal problems down the road and expedite your application process. FWIW, I wasn't able to find any golf related applications or patents out of Fresno. If you haven't applied yet, then that makes sense. If you think you have, you may want to make sure whoever is filing on your behalf remembered to include you on the application.

Again, best of luck! It's a long and challenging road but ultimately a fulfilling one.

[Tom the Golf Nut]

6 hours ago, ParadaxGolf.com said:

If you mean separate 'tubes' for each club, all the way to the bottom? Probably not. There will most likely be fabric dividers for each row however. Trying to keep it as light as possible. 

Let me ask you a question? What is with the concern (not from you specifically) about having enough storage in a golf bag? In our bag you will be able to store a dozen balls, rain gear, gloves, tees, beverages, even 2 wheels in pockets if not in use, so why are people so concerned about storage? Do they live out of their bags? Extra pockets are easy to design in. The thing that no one has been able to do in 100 years of patents and designs, is create a bag that looks completely indistinguishable from a standard cart bag when wheels are not deployed and completely normal when all 3 wheels are out. And without sacrificing strength, stability or quality. The only thing you're giving up is the extra space required to store and haul the 2 separate pieces. 

Glad you said  " not from you specifically " I got more air in the pockets on my golf bag than stuff. The only exception is when I travel. Then I add rain gear (pants, jacket,  gloves and hat)

 Normally a dozen balls, three gloves, rainhood for the bag, advil, finger tape, lazer range finder, divot tool, sharpie, ball marking cup, mini first aid pouch, and a pocket knife. The towels and tee bag hang on the outside ring.

[BIG STU]

On 7/21/2022 at 12:54 AM, ParadaxGolf.com said:

Just curious how often you take your clubs and all other crap out of pockets from one bag and transfer them to another bag for a trip to the range?

I have never done that. If you are a high school boy and you always walk you will have a carry bag with 2 straps and a kickstand. If you're older and you always walk you will lug around a 20 lb collapsable cart and a cart bag, etc etc. 

Not for everyone but if you ever walk or sometimes walk 9 and ride 9, this system is for you.

If you decide to ride one day, leave the cart tucked away and no one will know you have anything but a standard cart bag. Open it up in 20 seconds if you decide to walk.  

Before I was hurt and used a Mini staff bag I had a Moonlight type bag set up for the range etc. Kept like 5 balls tees and gloves in it. All I had to do was put in what clubs I wanted to practice with. Nowdys I just use my Jones Classic period. I do not carry a lot of stuff anyhow SOP and that works out well for me. On my vintage stuff it is in a similar sized Vagabond nylon bag with balls tees etc ready to go. I have plenty of room in my car so I keep both sets in there. Depending on who I am playing with that day I can grab and go. But your system looks good especially for one dedicated and able to walk

[BIG STU]

On 7/21/2022 at 11:30 AM, Middler said:

I wish you the best of luck, honest. I am sure there will be some buyers, some people who always play golf with a push cart anyway - I'm sure you've done your market research to determine the size of that segment. 

But any small or medium SUV, wagon or hatchback with fold down rear seats can easily accommodate two players, two preferred golf bags and two preferred push carts - you certainly don't need a "huge SUV."

Be sure to thank MGS for the free self promotion.

Your model is clearly better than the discontinued  Dunlop® Golf Bag with Built-in Pull Cart

HMMMM That one looks cheap built and unstable as heck especially if you load it up. Looks like a good candidate for a roll over if you ask me plus the small diameter wheels. Maybe that was why it was discontinued

[ParadaxGolf.com]

On 7/22/2022 at 10:47 AM, mynerds said:

Hey man, first off all the support in the world for trying to create something new. New product development is fraught with challenges and is not for the faint of heart. I wish you all the best in your endeavors here!

Based on the photos you sent, it seems like you're doing well in the early stages of the prototyping process. My product development experience is in a different market, but to my untrained eye it looks like you've been working on retrofitting existing collapsible push cart parts to a Mizuno BR-D4C cart bag. I think this is a great way to start playing with your ideas and seeing what works/what doesn't work. You have a few things going for you in that approach. For one, it helps you understand how the product can actually work, as opposed to what can be rendered quickly and cheaply by graphic artists. For another, it can help you play with specific parts and materials you'll need to source later. Those three-spoked rear wheels are common in the white-labeled drop-shipped carts on amazon (which may have been where they were pulled from), so sourcing similar parts should be easier than custom injection-molded wheels, for example.

If you've worked in product development before, I'll be preaching to the choir in saying that tooling for your product will likely be your biggest challenge. If you're not fully outsourcing the product development, you're looking at a wide range of materials and likely will need multiple manufacturing partners (your fabric, plastic, and metal components may not be produced under one roof) plus assembly and likely sub-assembly partners to get this out the door at scale. Much of this is going to come out of the APAC region, and you'll need to plan your work hours and travel accordingly. Coming up with a novel idea is hard, prototyping is harder, but your mettle is tested most in tooling IMO. If you haven't already, I would highly, highly, highly recommend looking into that process more particularly before pursuing kickstarter funding. Many kickstarters have failed because they underestimated the challenges in manufacturing at scale. Check out the posts for the Gravity Caddy project and see the (ongoing) challenges the project has had in the tooling phase for nearly two years for a mechanically simpler product.

(Not a lawyer, this is not legal advice) As for the patents pending worldwide, I would encourage you to wait until you are done prototyping before pursing the patent route. At first glance, there are a few existing patents which may be substantially similar to your product in functionality. Making sure your product is substantially different can help avoid legal problems down the road and expedite your application process. FWIW, I wasn't able to find any golf related applications or patents out of Fresno. If you haven't applied yet, then that makes sense. If you think you have, you may want to make sure whoever is filing on your behalf remembered to include you on the application.

Again, best of luck! It's a long and challenging road but ultimately a fulfilling one.

Thanks for your great advice and positive feedback! I appreciate it a lot.

I submitted a provisional patent in the US about 17 most ago and a non provisional patent application 1 year after that. 

I will look up the patent app number soon but most are not listed or easy to find until they are granted.

We are a lot farther along than the few images I sent you, with tech packs out to sourcing companies in Vietnam and the Philippines as we speak, primarily for the 'soft goods' bag stitching, etc, but also for some new shorts and shirt designs we are working on as well.

I built the first prototype myself to prove my sketches, and then hired experts in the lightweight wheelchair market and then the golf bag/cart engineers for the finishing touches.

Second prototype is 2 or 3 weeks away from my sweaty hands.  Will keep you posted and I'll send a video of the system in action once I receive it.

[11iron]

I would be very interested in this product.  I walk every round I play, with a push cart, and getting the cart out of my vehicle would be good thing.  Plus when I travel with my clubs, this would be very nice.  

Here are some thoughts for your consideration based on what I've seen thus far:

- kudos on a great idea and product!

- make sure the handle is wide enough for two hands.  The pic (with the guy's hand) looks like it is not.  This is vital for a walker. 

- many walkers use an umbrella for shade.  I wouldn't even consider a cart that didn't have this feature.  This should be integrated in the build.

- make sure your finished product fits in a hard-shell travel case.

- you ask "so why are people so concerned about storage?"  Just the fact that they are should be enough for you as a product inventor.  But if that isn't enough, everyone has different items they need/want with them on the course, that you didn't mention: Laser rangefinder, personal launch monitor, jacket, medicine, snacks, rainhood, sunglasses case, hat, sunscreen, whatever.  Maximizing storage space should be a no-brainer objective.  In your pics, the side pockets could/should be larger - extend them upwards (where the logo is) and down if possible.  Or better yet, keep one wheel-sized pocket on each side (for -just- the wheels, when needed) and add another.  Move the logo onto the pocket.  Really maximize all pockets. 

- colors:  I know you want to advertise your brand with your logo.  But the bright logo colors may turn some off.  Definitely me, for one.  As a minimum, consider a "grayout" colorway with a subdued gray logo.  

- price:  $500 (even $450) seems too high for a widespread enthusiastic response.  $399 equals a premium $200 cart and $200 bag, $299 equals a budget setup.  For your consideration.  

- All of these are offered as suggestions.  I love your product and idea.  And side note, learn to ignore internet jerks who talk like they never would ftf.  Don't answer them defensively, you will tarnish your product's rep.  

Looking forward to your product!