Scottie's 2024 Wins -- Do they flatter to decieve?

[netBogey]

Scottie has only won limited field events (4 signature events and the Masters [only ~80 players]) in 2024. 

One way of looking at this is to say, well, those are suppose to be very strong fields with the best players; therefore, more impressive. But, in my view, we have not had a lot of consistency out of the best players this season. Moreover, beating 150 players means defeating maybe not only the "best" players in the field but those 2-3 guys that are super hot that week (for example, Scottie couldn't get by Stephan Jaeger in the full-field Texas Open).  The full field events that he's played in, also, have been pretty strong. 

I've never played competitively at a high level so I don't know, but it seems to me that the bigger the field the mores impressive the win. 

So, what I'm asking you is are Scottie's wins a little flattering? (this isn't to say he hasn't been the best male player in the world this year). 

Outside of Scottie, the conversation around the tour tends to treat a signature event win as more impressive but are they?   
 

 

Edited June 21 by netBogey

[RickyBobby_PR]

The consistency in how Scottie performs is what makes him good, so it doesn’t matter if the other top pros aren’t consistent which btw happens every year for the top pros. They have ups and downs.

also the players has a lot more than 80 players. So it’s a full field event with a strong field.

Then let’s add in that someone of Scottie’s standing on the tour gets to pick his tournaments that meet his schedule so he’s only going to play in the majors, the elevated events and a few others. You’re not going to see him at smaller tournaments. 
 

Winning on the of a tour any week is hard to do, all wins are flattering and what Scottie is doing is on a level not seen very often on tour

[jolter1]

Some wins might be more impressive than others but a win is a win and he deserves all the accolades.

[netBogey]

I got thinking about this when I was watching the TSN+ coverage yesterday morning and one of the announcers said something about how the fact that Scottie's wins were at signature events is "more impressive." 

I'm not trying to say that Scottie doesn't deserve the praise that he's gotten.  He's far and away the best player of the year (no one is close).  What I'm saying is that I'm personally not more impressed with beating 70 people than 150.  That's what I've always thought the Masters was the least impressive of the majors. 

I think if the 4 events he played were full field he probably wouldn't have won all of them.

 

[cnosil]

21 minutes ago, netBogey said:

I got thinking about this when I was watching the TSN+ coverage yesterday morning and one of the announcers said something about how the fact that Scottie's wins were at signature events is "more impressive." 

I'm not trying to say that Scottie doesn't deserve the praise that he's gotten.  He's far and away the best player of the year (no one is close).  What I'm saying is that I'm personally not more impressed with beating 70 people than 150.  That's what I've always thought the Masters was the least impressive of the majors. 

I think if the 4 events he played were full field he probably wouldn't have won all of them.

 

You'd have to do a field assessment to calculate strength of field.   Signature events will probably have a tougher field since the higher ranked players basically have to play.   The non signature events don't always have top players since they can choose what events to play.    

Obviously you are entitled to your opinion and I understand what you are saying,  but unless you do some kind of objective strength of field comparison we can't say definitively.  

[RickyBobby_PR]

2 hours ago, netBogey said:

I got thinking about this when I was watching the TSN+ coverage yesterday morning and one of the announcers said something about how the fact that Scottie's wins were at signature events is "more impressive." 

I'm not trying to say that Scottie doesn't deserve the praise that he's gotten.  He's far and away the best player of the year (no one is close).  What I'm saying is that I'm personally not more impressed with beating 70 people than 150.  That's what I've always thought the Masters was the least impressive of the majors. 

I think if the 4 events he played were full field he probably wouldn't have won all of them.

 

You’re diminishing how good Scottie is. The guy finishes in the top 10 about 55% of the events he has made the cut in. He rarely misses a cut and has multiple wins per season since the 2022-2022 season.

The guy is a winner and it’s far more impressive when you are beating the best players in an elevated event over a full field that may have less higher ranked players. Even if those events were full field he wins those still. A full field event is filled with guys ranked farther outside the top 50, Monday qualifiers. Sponsor exemptions. A full field event isn’t more impressive than an elevated event

[GolfSpy_BNG]

There needs to be context to this topic and what you are saying. 
 

Are you saying any full field event is more impressive than The Masters/Elevated event?  By your words so far it sounds like you’d agree the John Deere win this year would be more impressive than the Masters/Memorial. That’s simply ridiculous imo. I’d be willing to bet that half of the added players to make a full field event have zero chance of winning. 
 

We are seeing something I haven’t seen since Tiger.   

[Jeffjackson1130]

Winning on the tour is impressive - full stop. The “Elevated” events to me are just a way to bring in more TV revenue by putting the most recognizable names out there. However, how he wins in any event is what really captivates me. He’s like a machine, the way he seemingly can just pick apart a course. 

[DownEast]

Scottie would be killing them on any tour with any size field right now. 

Look at his strokes per round compared to the rest of the tour.

 

https://www.pgatour.com/stats/detail/120

[RickyBobby_PR]

3 hours ago, DownEast said:

Scottie would be killing them on any tour with any size field right now. 

Look at his strokes per round compared to the rest of the tour.

 

https://www.pgatour.com/stats/detail/120

It’s not just that stat. He’s leading all the important ones and is top 10 in others except putting.

Scottie is the best player on tour at the moment