furu 209 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Terrible round. He's still going to end up in the top 20 though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave 1,597 Posted December 5, 2014 SPY VIP Share Posted December 5, 2014 I was very happy to see Tiger return today, but I was hoping for super human Tiger, not human Tiger. I bet he will get it together soon, but those chips, and some of the putts, were painful to watch. Quote Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @golfspy_dave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_Theoo 3,177 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I was very happy to see Tiger return today, but I was hoping for super human Tiger, not human Tiger. I bet he will get it together soon, but those chips, and some of the putts, were painful to watch. I think this could be a really good year for him. Even though yesterday was abysmal the swing looked great and he found the fairway with the driver a lot. 1 Quote Driver: Epic 10.5 set to 9.5 w/ Tour AD-DI 44.5 FW: F6 baffler set at 16º Hybrid: NONEIrons: 3i 2014 TP CB 4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400 Wedges: 52º 56º 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped Putter: Sigma G Tyne 34 inches Gold dot Link to post Share on other sites
fozcycle 12,432 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Now, Tiger has an opportunity......to dig out of the hole he encountered yesterday and return to respectability. I'll be there on Sunday to watch....Hopefully, he put on a better show than yesterday. Quote Driver: Tour Edge Exotics EXS w/Mitsubishi ck Blue regular shaft BACKUP DRIVER: Cobra F8 w/Mitsubishi ck Blue regular shaft Fairways: Cobra King F8 3W(14.5*) & 5W(18.5*) w/Mitsubishi ck Blue regular shaft Hybrids: Tour Edge CBX 119 4H(22*) with Project X Evenflo regular shaft Irons: Wilson Staff D7 5 - PW w/Recoil 460 regular shafts Wedges: Wilson D7 GW(50*) & SW(54*) w/Recoil 460 regular shafts; Cleveland RTX Zipcore(58*) w/True Temper Spinner Wedge steel shaft Putter: 33" Slotline SSi 693 mid mallet Bag: Cobra Ultralite Cart Bag(Peacoat Blue). Link to post Share on other sites
TheHacker 3 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 For all of Tiger's detractors who says he has lost it.... I would gladly give one of my kidneys to be able to play like him in his worse form. Hell... I'll throw in half my liver if I could put like him as well Quote Now in my bag: TM SLDR 10.5 Deg with Matrix Ozik 6Q3 S flex TM VSteel 15 deg 3 wood Cleveland Launcher Hybrid 18 deg Diamana Red Board Stiff Titleist ZB Forged Iron 3-PW DG S200 Steel Shaft Cleveland CG15 46, 52, 56, 60 Wedges Scotty Cameron California Del Mar Link to post Share on other sites
TheHacker 3 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 I think this could be a really good year for him. Even though yesterday was abysmal the swing looked great and he found the fairway with the driver a lot. His full swing looks great! His short game... hmmm... seem to flub his chips / pitch a bit. But I doubt that's something that will trouble him for long. Quote Now in my bag: TM SLDR 10.5 Deg with Matrix Ozik 6Q3 S flex TM VSteel 15 deg 3 wood Cleveland Launcher Hybrid 18 deg Diamana Red Board Stiff Titleist ZB Forged Iron 3-PW DG S200 Steel Shaft Cleveland CG15 46, 52, 56, 60 Wedges Scotty Cameron California Del Mar Link to post Share on other sites
revkev 22,870 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Gotta admit I've kinda developed a soft spot for Tiger and his past troubles over the years. It seems that post accident/scandal he's kind of lost his hubris, which is what made him behave the way he did, but also gave him that aura of invincibility on the course. He's still a great player - now one of many. Think his struggles at the majors are health related or head related? I've been trying this for the past five years with very few takers/converts so I will try it here again....... It's about the putter! It happened to Snead, Palmer and Watson in their early to mid 30's. After that they all could compete and even win regular tour events for quite some time but not majors. it's like that for Tiger and it started before the personal issues or coach changes or comebacks or anything else. Check out the stats, he was not hitting the ball particularly well towards the end of his tenure with Hank and his body was a mess. He won a US Open on a broken leg because he holed the putts that he needed to hole to win. Since that time though it's all changed. In his comeback Masters he was on a roll until a short miss of an Eagle putt on 13 stopped the run. That was a putt that he had never used to miss. He's constantly struggling with his speed in majors, blowing it by, leaving it short and that leads to short game issues (if I don't get this tight I'm making bogey) to approach shot issues (dunk it or settle for par) to driving issues although it's been a long time since he was a good driver. After his first return he was striking the ball great, winning regular tour events, even World Golf events, heck he returned to World number 1, but he could not win majors. For Tiger it's all about the putter. Of course his legacy is greater even than Snead, Palmer and Watson but I don't see any more majors or certainly not enough to threaten Jack unless the putter changes. Even when Watson had that incredible run at the Open it was the putter that did him in. That's where Tiger is at. It's not physical, it's not ball striking and it's not mental unless that's what is causing him to miss putts. It's all about the putter for him. He should take care of his swing himself and go see Dave Stockton. 1 Quote Ping G410 - turned down to11.25 degrees, neutral setting - Fujikura Motore X R flex Ping G410 5-9 wood Wilson D7 forged 6-GW - Mamiya recoil 460 R flex SCOR 52,60 EVNRoll ER 5 Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them Currently testing Edison wedges to replace SCORS that are wearing out. Also auditions for the 14th spot in the bag. Current possibilities are a Ping 26 degree hybrid - duplicates the 9 wood or 5 iron but would be used almost exclusively for chipping or Tour Exotics 3 wood simply because you can carry 14 clubs and I might occasionally hit it in certain unusual wind conditions once every four or five rounds. Link to post Share on other sites
wbealsd 1,063 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Revkev, I tend to agree with your take on this, if for no other reason that I think as we get older we lose some of the "instinct" or natural coordination of vision and muscles we were able to rely on when we were younger. When I was a kid, even though I didn't play golf, I did play Putt-Putt courses and was pretty good at it. Even though I didn't start to play golf until I was 50, I could putt better than I do now, without really having to think about it. I could, more or less, instinctively see the line and strike the ball well enough to make the putt or get close enough to tap in. Once that natural ability declines, we start to "think" about our putting and the brain gets in the way. Quote What's In The Bag Driver Titleist 913 D2 10.5* (set to 9.75* / Neutral) 46" Paderson KINETIXX Kevlar Green - R Fairway Wood Tom Wishon 949 MC 16.5* Fujikura Speeder 569-A Hybrid Hibore 22* Aldila VS Proto Blue Irons G series 5-P Wedges Glide 54* SS / 60* TS - SCOR 53* Putter Nike Method 001 / P2 Reflex grip 35" Ball Master Grip Tour C4 Bag Datrek DG Lite Link to post Share on other sites
revkev 22,870 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Revkev, I tend to agree with your take on this, if for no other reason that I think as we get older we lose some of the "instinct" or natural coordination of vision and muscles we were able to rely on when we were younger. When I was a kid, even though I didn't play golf, I did play Putt-Putt courses and was pretty good at it. Even though I didn't start to play golf until I was 50, I could putt better than I do now, without really having to think about it. I could, more or less, instinctively see the line and strike the ball well enough to make the putt or get close enough to tap in. Once that natural ability declines, we start to "think" about our putting and the brain gets in the way. Perhaps it gets better as dime tai kicks in and we start to forget the misses. It's strange age effects people differently. I've gotten to be a better putter with age. Some no all of that is a matter of confidence and clearly I'm not doing it for a living, under pressure, day after day. Clearly there are those who loose their stroke earlier than others. Quote Ping G410 - turned down to11.25 degrees, neutral setting - Fujikura Motore X R flex Ping G410 5-9 wood Wilson D7 forged 6-GW - Mamiya recoil 460 R flex SCOR 52,60 EVNRoll ER 5 Titleist Pro VIx optic yellow with revkev stamped on them Currently testing Edison wedges to replace SCORS that are wearing out. Also auditions for the 14th spot in the bag. Current possibilities are a Ping 26 degree hybrid - duplicates the 9 wood or 5 iron but would be used almost exclusively for chipping or Tour Exotics 3 wood simply because you can carry 14 clubs and I might occasionally hit it in certain unusual wind conditions once every four or five rounds. Link to post Share on other sites
wbealsd 1,063 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Perhaps it gets better as dime tai kicks in and we start to forget the misses. It's strange age effects people differently. I've gotten to be a better putter with age. Some no all of that is a matter of confidence and clearly I'm not doing it for a living, under pressure, day after day. Clearly there are those who loose their stroke earlier than others. I play better, in all aspects of the game, the less I think about it. Maybe I'm just forgetting the misses - lol Quote What's In The Bag Driver Titleist 913 D2 10.5* (set to 9.75* / Neutral) 46" Paderson KINETIXX Kevlar Green - R Fairway Wood Tom Wishon 949 MC 16.5* Fujikura Speeder 569-A Hybrid Hibore 22* Aldila VS Proto Blue Irons G series 5-P Wedges Glide 54* SS / 60* TS - SCOR 53* Putter Nike Method 001 / P2 Reflex grip 35" Ball Master Grip Tour C4 Bag Datrek DG Lite Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny B 25,000 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 I've been trying this for the past five years with very few takers/converts so I will try it here again....... It's about the putter! It's not physical, it's not ball striking and it's not mental unless that's what is causing him to miss putts. It's all about the putter for him. He should take care of his swing himself and go see Dave Stockton. Totally agree about the putter. He doesn't seem to have he same confidence he used to have. Stockton would be a good choice, but I would also add that since he is going back to his early swing, Tiger should also dig his old putter out of the closet. 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to post Share on other sites
TheCommonHacker 32 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 I feel like we are witnessing a legend become human. I find it interesting about age and putter. Then again I find that stat a little scary since I am closing in on that age. But it can't make my putting much worse. The Tiger of days past have gone. He is a normal PGA player. He will have good weeks and bad weeks. We need to start watching the young guys begin to carry the work load and carry the future of the PGA to another new level. Quote What's in the Bag Bag- Sun Mountian Driver - Callaway Rouge 9.5* HZRDUS Smoke Yellow Fairway wood - Ping G15 3 wood Hybrid - Tour Edge Exotics XCG6 19* Irons - Callaway XR 5-PW Wedges - Cleveland 588-RTX 52* 56* 60* Putter - Scotty Cameron Select Newport 3 - SuperStroke Wrist lock Grip Link to post Share on other sites
Mr_Theoo 3,177 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 I feel like we are witnessing a legend become human. I find it interesting about age and putter. Then again I find that stat a little scary since I am closing in on that age. But it can't make my putting much worse. The Tiger of days past have gone. He is a normal PGA player. He will have good weeks and bad weeks. We need to start watching the young guys begin to carry the work load and carry the future of the PGA to another new level. I doubt Tiger sees himself as a regular PGA player now. He is going to have to figure a new way to score low, similar to how Michael Jordan had to figure out how to score when he could no longer jump over everyone, so he went to the fadeaway. Wonder what is going to be Tiger's fadeaway? Quote Driver: Epic 10.5 set to 9.5 w/ Tour AD-DI 44.5 FW: F6 baffler set at 16º Hybrid: NONEIrons: 3i 2014 TP CB 4-PW 2011 TP MC w/ TT S400 Wedges: 52º 56º 60 º w/ KBS C-Taper XS Soft-stepped Putter: Sigma G Tyne 34 inches Gold dot Link to post Share on other sites
TheCommonHacker 32 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Great point Theoo. And maybe Tiger switching his gear is like MJ going to 45. Quote What's in the Bag Bag- Sun Mountian Driver - Callaway Rouge 9.5* HZRDUS Smoke Yellow Fairway wood - Ping G15 3 wood Hybrid - Tour Edge Exotics XCG6 19* Irons - Callaway XR 5-PW Wedges - Cleveland 588-RTX 52* 56* 60* Putter - Scotty Cameron Select Newport 3 - SuperStroke Wrist lock Grip Link to post Share on other sites
markb 243 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Great point Theo, the legends always find a new trick to get them over the next challenge and remain great. I remember when the Mailman started taking mid-range jumpers and I thought, "What are you doing, take it to the hole!" Then he started hitting them and uh-oh, he had another weapon. I think there is a difference in the MJ and Tiger analogy, however. MJ never stopped thinking he was MJ. It seems to me that Tiger may think he's human now. Quote bag - SunMountain Synch with Ogio Synergy X4 cartdriver - Optiforce 440, Paderson Kevlar Green stiff 46.5"fwoods - Jetspeed, 3HL regularirons - Speedblades 3-8, 85g stiff steel, 2 upwedges - Scor 40, 45, 50, 54, 58putter - Ketsch 35" slight arc, SuperStroke 2.0 mid-slimball - ProV1x Link to post Share on other sites
mbrodeur86 379 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 It's what makes great players great. Like some of the guys said, his full swing looked really good. We all know short game and the putter comes down to feel. He must have really taken the time he needed off and not touched any clubs while he was out. With all that has happened to him though, I still wish him the best and hope to see him give Rory a run for his money. Quote DRIVER: ST190, 10.5*, Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 65g, Stiff flex, Golf Pride CP2 Wrap, midsize HYBRIDS: Pro 2 hybrid 16*, Aldila Tour Red 75g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip JPX 850 hybrid 19*, UST Proforce V2 85g, Stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grip IRONS: King Forged Tour 4i-pw, KBS FLT, shafts, stiff, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips WEDGES: 50, 55, 60 degree wedges with Genius 12 stiff flex, Superstroke TX1 Midsize grips PUTTER: O-Works Marksman 33.5", Superstroke 1.0 Flatso grip w/ 50g counter core BALL: Tour B X BAG: Cirrus Golf Bag Shoes: Skechers Hexgo Control Shoes Link to post Share on other sites
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