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  1. 1. What's your Putter Swing Type?

    • SBST (Not fitted)
      75
    • Slight Arc (Not fitted)
      124
    • Strong Arc (Not fitted)
      11
    • SBST (fitted)
      28
    • Slight Arc (fitted)
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    • Strong Arc (fitted)
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I've just discovered this is a thing. I jsut got put into a face balanced and Oh lord it feels so much better.  I had no confidence before and felt like i was battling my slight arc putter.  Where is everyone now on a check up?

Going to leave the poll open to see how many we get.

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I did the PING on-line evaluation and it said I had a slight arc.  They offer free putter fittings and next winter while we're in AZ, I intend to schedule one. 

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No one actually has a SBST stroke, it would be bio mechanically very awkward, but that's been discussed in other threads, and I'm not trying to hijack the thread. I know I have an arc stroke, just don't know if it would be considered slight or strong, and I'm happy with my 25° toe down putter.

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I know a lot of people talk about arc, which translates to the path and how much a putter comes off the target line during the back and forward strokes. The other critical thing, that may have more impact on putter selection is rotation. Ping app measures rotation, but labels it arc.

It is possible to have a “strong” arc stroke with little rotation and a “SBST” stroke with lots of rotation.

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What do I choose if my path goes outside the line on the backstroke and cuts across the ball?

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This is a finely tuned stroke that is a common result from insisting on going "SBST." That said, it works for me. In terms of putter fitting, I've found that mallets with toe hang work well; a bit of toe weighting slows the closure rate, which helps hold off the pulls that are the characteristic miss for my stroke.

EDIT: also, it's not quite as extreme as it looks here. I'm using a device that clips to the putter shaft. What it can't know is that I also mis-aim my putter about 2° open to the target line and correct it before impact. The device has to assume my initial aim is the target, so it has to plot everything as a pull relative to my initial aim.

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I like a face balanced or close to face balanced putter. I generally putt with a very slight arc.

I have noticed that if I mess around with a putter with a ton of toe hang, my stroke adjusts and has more arc. But I don't like the thought of a lot of arc because in my mind it seems like it takes more effort to square up.

Overall, with putting, I like everything to be as square as possible, I play a Squareback with a square grip lol

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I have never tried a putter fitting, but I do feel my stroke has some open and close to it. I try to do that to some extent. I have two different anser style putters. One is a long neck almost 100% face balanced. The other your standard anser style with a bit more toe hang. I swap them in and out depending on how I am feeling. 

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On 6/8/2020 at 1:04 PM, GolfSpy MPR said:

What do I choose if my path goes outside the line on the backstroke and cuts across the ball?

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This is a finely tuned stroke that is a common result from insisting on going "SBST." That said, it works for me. In terms of putter fitting, I've found that mallets with toe hang work well; a bit of toe weighting slows the closure rate, which helps hold off the pulls that are the characteristic miss for my stroke.

EDIT: also, it's not quite as extreme as it looks here. I'm using a device that clips to the putter shaft. What it can't know is that I also mis-aim my putter about 2° open to the target line and correct it before impact. The device has to assume my initial aim is the target, so it has to plot everything as a pull relative to my initial aim.

 

Exactly this. And I don't see it talked about much. This was a revelation I made about two months ago as well. I have been fitted for a SBST stroke. I already knew I had a SBST stroke. Anyone who watched me putt could tell that. But I would ocassionally pull putts to the left. I tried several face balanced mallets, trying to eliminate any movement. Seems like more toe hang is only going to slam the door more left, especially since I tend to put the ball forward a bit in my stance. But I finely came to the realization that my stroke needed more arc, not less. Found 20 degrees of toe hang or so to be ideal for me. Helps open up the club coming back, and slowing closure on the way through. Picked up an Evnroll ER3 about two months ago and my putting has never been better. I used to really struggle with 5-10 foot putts. Those are all in or sniffing the cup now. Just have a lot of confidence that I can roll my line. 

 

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I know a lot of people talk about arc, which translates to the path and how much a putter comes off the target line during the back and forward strokes. The other critical thing, that may have more impact on putter selection is rotation. Ping app measures rotation, but labels it arc.

It is possible to have a “strong” arc stroke with little rotation and a “SBST” stroke with lots of rotation.
IMO, Yes to both your questions. I am strong arc and have learned a lot from SAM putter fittings. There are people that are less arc, think SBST but "wristy" during stroke and conversely strong arc with good quiet hands through impact (ball position/ alignment is key with timing of arc stroke).
A side note, One area I think these newer "stability" shafts can possibly help is with golfers that have lots (too much) of face rotation through impact (possibly reducing degrees open/closed which contributes to offline putts).

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21 hours ago, aerospace_ray said:


A side note, One area I think these newer "stability" shafts can possibly help is with golfers that have lots (too much) of face rotation through impact (possibly reducing degrees open/closed which contributes to offline putts).

 

Stability shaft isn't going to help with face rotation.  It is designed to minimize flexing of the shaft with the heavier head putters.    Also,  there really isn't anything that defines too much face rotation;  some people don't have much and other have a lot.  

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Love the responses so far.  My slight arc putter was always pulling left as I was trying to swing SBST, and that caused it to pull left with the to hang as I would swing wide to try to make the putter go SBST.  Needless to say my putting until now is woefully inconsistent on all aspects of everything, distance, angle, alignment. but with the SAM fitting I was dunking 9.5/10 from 8-12+ feet at multiple areas around their test green.  and prior I would be lucky to get 3-4 and then hopefully leave it close.  

 

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I have very strong arc: I posted the results of my putter fitting in unofficial reviews if you wanna check it out. Interesting thing for me was, my face stays square relative to path. I was already playing a blade, but my new fitted putter has 30 degrees of toe hang compared to my old putter that had 90.


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Strong arc. Get the ping app to get started before you go further as a place to start.

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I naturally cut my putts.  I’m not sure how that would fit in.  
Over the years I worked on developing an arc stroke. 
I’m not sure SBST is natural. 

It would still fit one of those types, yours would be tilted to the left if you are a right handed golfer.

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I was always an extreme Arc putter which was natural for me. In fact a lot of the old timers back in the day my old man included said I had a "flaw" in my stroke. But I was one heck of a putter. I had sorta gotten away from that messing with SBST with Super Stroke grips etc. Got to rolling the ball decent but had a knack for pushing right of target. I did a lot of putting during my recovery and for once in my life did some in depth analysis. figured it out with my plumb bob and alignment sticks which is really deep for me. Found out that I was stuck between two methods and in short leaving the face open at impact and fanning it open. Went back to my basics with an old Iron Master putter with a stock wrap grip. Found out something for me I always thought I rotated the face closed with my hands found out actually my wrists rotated. So now I am using one of my old Iron Master putters with stock wrap grip. Now with my hands I am using a claw grip because it does relax my hands but rotate my wrists. Seems to be working well.

Going back to the open face thing. I had spotted the problem right off with the sticks but do not trust my eyes any more. Had a friend watch. Also taped an ordinary pencil to the toe of an Ironmaster type with a SS grip. When I got through the stroke I had him pull  a string and mark with a tee the path of the toe and center. Yep I was fanning it open. Did the same experiment with a regular gripped Ironmaster and my SS gripped Santa Fe. Found out I was keeping it flared open. The way I found out I rotated the wrists was took a sharpie and marked my wrists and looked at the position after I struck the ball. Found out also that if I gripped the putter conventional style I guess my nerves and meds cause me to move the face all over the place. Because I rotate my wrists I can use the claw grip with my hands. I have been using the claw on and off for 2 years now and it feels absolutely comfortable to me. In conclusion the wrist rotation thing is natural for me and come under the heading of some things can not be taught.  My golf game has always been based on doing what comes natural to me.  I have had folks ask me over the years to teach me stuff and it is hard to do when you really don't know the nuts or bolts of it yourself. 

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Looking at the data so far it appears that most people are a slight arch but not fitted. This interests me, how many really are slight arch and not a SBST or even a cut? This would be a great study. Take 10-100 of the people that vote that they're a slight arch and not fitted. Get them fit for a putter to see how accurate their perception of their stroke is. 

 

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Looking at the data so far it appears that most people are a slight arch but not fitted. This interests me, how many really are slight arch and not a SBST or even a cut? This would be a great study. Take 10-100 of the people that vote that they're a slight arch and not fitted. Get them fit for a putter to see how accurate their perception of their stroke is. 

 

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People who say they are SBST most likely have a slight arc since SBST is almost impossible without manipulation. I have a left biased stroke (what you call a “cut”) and it has an arc. You can also be biased to the right.

 

Additionally I would bet that some of those not fitted follow the mentality that the are “feel” players and that a fitting would mess them up.

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People who say they are SBST most likely have a slight arc since SBST is almost impossible without manipulation. I have a left biased stroke (what you call a “cut”) and it has an arc. You can also be biased to the right.

 

Additionally I would bet that some of those not fitted follow the mentality that the are “feel” players and that a fitting would mess them up.

My intention is to see how many are paying for putters that are not designed for their swing type. I have the same stroke path as you, out to in with a slight arc. However, at point of impact my clubface is open at 0.1 degrees. So in my case I was fit for either a blade or mallet with a slight toe hang. I'm sure the "feel" guys will feel a lot happier when they sink more putts. 

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My intention is to see how many are paying for putters that are not designed for their swing type. I have the same stroke path as you, out to in with a slight arc. However, at point of impact my clubface is open at 0.1 degrees. So in my case I was fit for either a blade or mallet with a slight toe hang. I'm sure the "feel" guys will feel a lot happier when they sink more putts. 

Probably a lot.  putter fitting is a strange thing and people get really tied to putters.   They will agree that full swing and wedges need fitting but disagree with the putter.  I just like you have the face a bit open at impact.    Some great putters are feel players and knowing the details of their stroke would mess with their head.   Ben Crenshaw never wanted to be fit for a putter or know his "numbers"  and he was a decent putter.  

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Probably a lot.  putter fitting is a strange thing and people get really tied to putters.   They will agree that full swing and wedges need fitting but disagree with the putter.  I just like you have the face a bit open at impact.    Some great putters are feel players and knowing the details of their stroke would mess with their head.   Ben Crenshaw never wanted to be fit for a putter or know his "numbers"  and he was a decent putter.  

I could agree that a professional may know exactly what feels right to them. For the average amateur I think their is great reward for getting fit.


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This is a tough one,,,,, I used the PING fitting app and it said I have an "ARC" and the recommendation was a plumbers Anser2, which is what I have used 75% of my golfing life. But 9 years ago I went to a heel shafted putter and have never putted better.

If I had to vote, it would "inconsistent" since it goes from arc to slight to straight back, sometimes all three in one round!

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This is a tough one,,,,, I used the PING fitting app and it said I have an "ARC"

And this is another issue...terminology. The ping app doesn’t measure the path on which the putter travels which is the normal definition for arc. The ping app measures putter head rotation.

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Ok... So putting is one reason I joined.  I had ideas, and thoughts, and wanted to vent, and get feedback and other POV. 

Here is my thing on this:

I got fit at Club Champion last summer.  Did the SAM thing.  Slight arc going back, then straightening out past the ball.  stroke was really consistent.  Then SAM spat out it's data about what putter type and balance I should be using.  Face Balanced Blade.  Not many of those exist.  Bettinardi makes one, kind of an Anser style with a long neck.  Carbon Putters makes one.  Beyond that, all the "face balanced 'blade'" are largish variations of the classic head. 

They bent my Ping Vault Voss to match what the computer said.  1 Degree Flat, and 5 deg loft.  Never could figure how to hit it after that.  I'm going to have them bend it back.

My issue is, I putt better with an school blade putter.  Think Phil or Wilson 8802.  When I forward press with a standard plumbers neck or face balanced putter, face shuts, and I can't hit a trash can.  These blade putters are for a strong arc, which I don't have.  But I can control the head and have better stroke.  I still don't make more or less, but I'm not stressed out over a putt.

So I have decided to abandon the fitting info, and go to what "feels good". 

But now I have the computer info, and my own feelings, and they don't match.  I'm in a dark putting place.  Grrr....

 

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Ok... So putting is one reason I joined.  I had ideas, and thoughts, and wanted to vent, and get feedback and other POV. 
Here is my thing on this:
I got fit at Club Champion last summer.  Did the SAM thing.  Slight arc going back, then straightening out past the ball.  stroke was really consistent.  Then SAM spat out it's data about what putter type and balance I should be using.  Face Balanced Blade.  Not many of those exist.  Bettinardi makes one, kind of an Anser style with a long neck.  Carbon Putters makes one.  Beyond that, all the "face balanced 'blade'" are largish variations of the classic head. 
They bent my Ping Vault Voss to match what the computer said.  1 Degree Flat, and 5 deg loft.  Never could figure how to hit it after that.  I'm going to have them bend it back.
My issue is, I putt better with an school blade putter.  Think Phil or Wilson 8802.  When I forward press with a standard plumbers neck or face balanced putter, face shuts, and I can't hit a trash can.  These blade putters are for a strong arc, which I don't have.  But I can control the head and have better stroke.  I still don't make more or less, but I'm not stressed out over a putt.
So I have decided to abandon the fitting info, and go to what "feels good". 
But now I have the computer info, and my own feelings, and they don't match.  I'm in a dark putting place.  Grrr....
 

Start a thread and you will get a bit more feedback.

Several ways to do a putter fitting. Puttlab and the like capture great data, but is the recommendation good? It
Is an algorithm and if you switch putters you may not get the same recommendation. I prefer an understanding of the core data and then having a knowledgeable fitter review the data and make recommendations. There are a few face balanced blades out there; some with double bend and some with longer flow or plumbers necks.

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I voted slight arc not fitted. I used the Ping App and went through their putt analysis. It indicated i had a slight arc and that I would benefit from a putter with a 69° lie angle and 4° of loft. I'm curious if anyone has any experience with the accuracy of the app.

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I voted slight arc not fitted. I used the Ping App and went through their putt analysis. It indicated i had a slight arc and that I would benefit from a putter with a 69° lie angle and 4° of loft. I'm curious if anyone has any experience with the accuracy of the app.

Accuracy in what way? It measures rotation, tempo, and shaft info and provides a recommendation based on the programmed algorithm. Assuming that you set it up correctly it is accurate for what it provides.

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Wedge:  :titleist-small: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite
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