revkev Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 I realize guys prefer and dislike certain announcers and that’s fine here but mine are different. I have 2 big ones, here they are. 1. Player stats - strokes gained are nice but I would also like to know not only the tour average for a putt but the player’s average. Could you imagine Acuna batting in a Braves game and the listed .BA is .257? It’s misleading. 8 feet is 50/50 on your - I’d like to know what it is for the guy putting. 56 percent? 47 percent? What about this guy? 2. Shot tracking - no reason not to have it in every shot for the leaders. We have little portable LMs that cost $400 that do it with reasonable accuracy - it’s really not asking too much. what would you like to see changed? Kansas King, tony@CIC, silver & black and 1 other 4 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixcat Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 Commentary seems to have gone off the rails. The guys in the booth (looking at you Nantz and Faldo) seem to think viewers tune in to hear them. Shut up and show more golf! Edit to add; guys like Curt Byrum and Jerry Foltz are outstanding. Don’t have over-inflated egos. Don’t seek attention throughout a broadcast. Just present the action in a clear and concise manner without the garbage. Get rid of the puffed up chests and give the reigns to those guys. MattF, Kansas King, TR1PTIK and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 I absolutely hate when FORMER player commentators (looking primarily at Faldo) comment about how they would play a shot; especially when a player doesn't pull something off - as if he could've just stepped up to the plate and done it first try. There's so much that can't be seen from the booth and so much about the professional game that has changed from when these men and women played. Moreover, every player has their own individual strengths, weaknesses, and preferences when it comes to course strategy. Thankfully I don't have to hear him on every broadcast, but Nicklaus is equally as bad as Faldo. MattF, GolfSpy_SHARK, tony@CIC and 3 others 5 1 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, TR1PTIK said: I absolutely hate when FORMER player commentators (looking primarily at Faldo) comment about how they would play a shot; especially when a player doesn't pull something off - as if he could've just stepped up to the plate and done it first try. There's so much that can't be seen from the booth and so much about the professional game that has changed from when these men and women played. Moreover, every player has their own individual strengths, weaknesses, and preferences when it comes to course strategy. Thankfully I don't have to hear him on every broadcast, but Nicklaus is equally as bad as Faldo. Not to worry, it will be much better when Phil takes on his spot . To be honest, I don't have much to pick on with the current format and commentators. I watch quite a bit of golf, as most other programs makes my eye and ears bleed, and that includes most all of the tours. Sure, some of the personnel (Faldo already mentioned) can be a bit too reminiscent but by and large they do a good job IMO. I agree that adding shot tracer for all tee shots should be an absolute minimum and on all shots thereafter for featured groups... not much of a stretch in budget or technology. revkev, GolfSpy_SHARK, TR1PTIK and 1 other 4 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParFore74x Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 I agree that the shot tracer would be a welcome addition for the tee shots and featured groups. There are definitely some announcers that talk too much but I tend to tune it out for the most part. I’d probably say that the biggest annoyance is all of the commercials. It seems like they show a couple of quick shots, talk too much, and then go back to enough commercials that I end up walking away and finding other things to do. Maybe it’s because the coverage of the Masters is so amazing that I think that all of the coverage should be more like that. revkev, silver & black, Headhammer and 2 others 5 Quote TSi3 10° w/ Mitsubishi Tensei 1K Black 65g TS2 15° 3W w/ Project X HZRDUS Smoke Black 6.0 70g 818 H1 21° Hybrid w/ Mitsubishi Tensei CK Blue 70g MP-18 MMC 2 iron w/ KBS Tour C-Taper S 120g JPX 921 HM 5-GW w/ Project X LZ 5.5 115g JB Forged 54° & 58° w/ Project X LZ 6.0 120g EV5.3 Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Peaksy68 Posted June 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2021 My personal bugbear is showing players walking, or showing lots of big names when they aren’t in contention. It bewilders me when you don’t see a single shot from a player 3 off the lead, and the big name 10 off the pace is shown repeatedly. Too many putts, not enough average shots or lowlights, show it when someone hosels it. tony@CIC, MattF, GolfSpy_SHARK and 7 others 10 Quote 849 Pro Evenflow Riptide 6.0 F8 3 & 5 Woods Project X Evenflow Blue 6.0 TS2 7 Wood Project X Evenflow Blue 6.0 MP18 MMC - Project X LZ 5.5 Zipcore Wedges 50,54,58 - Project X LZ 5.5 MLA Tour Mallet 33" Z Star Pioneer bag buggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MattF Posted June 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2021 When there's a playoff and the network switches programming...I'm sorry, but I don't give a tinker's cuss for gymnastics. Nassau, tony@CIC, Headhammer and 7 others 4 1 5 Quote In the bag: Driver: Darkspeed X 9° UST Mamiya LIN-Q M40X Blue 7F4 Fairway: Apex UW 19° & 21° Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Black 5.5 Irons: JPX 923 HMP 5-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Wedges: T-22 Denim Copper 48°, 52° & 56° UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Putter Sycamore 005 Wide Blade Bag: Fairway 14 stand bag Balls: Chrome Tour Cart: CaddyLite ONE Ver. 8 God Bless America, God save the King, God defend New Zealand and thank Christ for Australia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LICC Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 On chip shots and short pitches, I would like if they kept the camera view from behind the player until the ball finishes. They always cut right after the stroke to the green. GolfSpy_SHARK, revkev, MattF and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_SHARK Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1) wish we had more commentary from the players. I know they probably don’t like it but the human aspect of the game is awesome and makes these guys relatable to us common folk. 2) cutting away from a shot to soon, don’t even get to see it land sometimes. If you’re going to cut away make it for a big moment.... One thing I have liked is the split screen where they try to knock out a commercial instead of completely breaking I don’t know if that’s new or not seems to be happening in a few different sports now. It’s probably not new but I enjoy that tony@CIC, MattF, GolfSpy BOS and 2 others 5 Quote Check out my reviews: G710 Irons Official Review I MC Shaft & V Series Putter Official Review 2022 Forged Tec's Official Review I Nitron Push Cart Official Review WITB: Weapons of grass destruction (link to WITB) Traverse is filled with all this shiny metal and tracked by RadSpeed 8* - MotoreX F1 6X SIM 3W - Project X HZRDUS Green U505 Driving Iron 17* - Project X HZRDUS Black SpeedZone 4H - Project X HZRDUS Black 2022 King Forged Tec's 4-PW - KBS $ Tape 130 48 (SM8), 52 & 60 (SM7) - Nippon Modus 125 S ER2VI PROV1X #19 Are you a veteran? Check out the Veterans Golf Association (VGA) Thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy BOS Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Peaksy68 said: My personal bugbear is showing players walking, or showing lots of big names when they aren’t in contention. It bewilders me when you don’t see a single shot from a player 3 off the lead, and the big name 10 off the pace is shown repeatedly. Too many putts, not enough average shots or lowlights, show it when someone hosels it. I’m with you there!! First time I went to TPC Boston to watch them play I realized just how different it really is. you walk in on the 9th hole around where a bunch of players leave their tee shots. First one we watched was a big ole snap hook that went into the woods and smashed off a tree. we stayed by that spot for a while and saw about half good shots and half bad shots. It would be cool to see more shots and groups. Honestly I think the Masters does it great, with their featured groups, hole grouping coverage, and range coverage. But I get that not every event can do that. GolfSpy_SHARK, cnosil, revkev and 1 other 4 Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, B.Boston said: I’m with you there!! First time I went to TPC Boston to watch them play I realized just how different it really is. you walk in on the 9th hole around where a bunch of players leave their tee shots. First one we watched was a big ole snap hook that went into the woods and smashed off a tree. we stayed by that spot for a while and saw about half good shots and half bad shots. It would be cool to see more shots and groups. Honestly I think the Masters does it great, with their featured groups, hole grouping coverage, and range coverage. But I get that not every event can do that. Yes I remember following a couple early groups at TPC Boston in person and on the second hole par 5 with the water guarding the green saw some shots that made me go oh, wait I could do that. Of course the recovery was something I could never pull off, but still there was that gleaming moment where they seemed human. revkev, GolfSpy_SHARK, GolfSpy BOS and 3 others 6 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 With the basics of today’s coverage(single channel) I’d like to see more stats. As review mentioned PGA stats, player year stats, and current tournament stats for the shot the player is facing. I Like the aerial/graphic layout of the hole and laying the shot tracer over that. Not that matters since he isn’t playing but don’t give me a Tiger recap, I want to watch the live action. Shot tracer for every shot since you can’t see the ball. Announcers are fine, but I don’t need to color commentary, just give me the facts. Color commentary is BS and doesn’t accurately reflect how players play. Future would be a pick you group option just like the feature group. Really enjoyed the masters featured group and Peacocks women’s US Open featured groups. Allows you to get a better perspective into the player caddie interactions. Ultimate would be to pick your players so you can see every shot by players you pick. GolfSpy_SHARK, PMookie, GolfSpy BOS and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy BOS Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, ejgaudette said: Yes I remember following a couple early groups at TPC Boston in person and on the second hole par 5 with the water guarding the green saw some shots that made me go oh, wait I could do that. Of course the recovery was something I could never pull off, but still there was that gleaming moment where they seemed human. Haha yes. Those approach shots and recovery shots are something special. I saw Marc Leishman hit a shot out of the trees between holes after having to bring a rules official over and call a penalty on himself that sounded so pure and solid off of leaves I think I just said “whoa.” One thing I have liked lately with the broadcast is the “playing through” commercials where we still see action on the course while giving sponsors time to air some ads. GolfSpy_SHARK, PMookie and MattF 3 Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy BOS Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, MattF said: When there's a playoff and the network switches programming...I'm sorry, but I don't give a tinker's cuss for gymnastics. Ouch. I don’t remember the last time I happened to be watching one that went long… but usually we see the whole thing and join the next broadcast “already in progress” GolfSpy_SHARK, MattF and fixyurdivot 3 Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixcat Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, MattF said: When there's a playoff and the network switches programming...I'm sorry, but I don't give a tinker's cuss for gymnastics. Not a chance NBC would have done that to a men's event of any kind......especially not a major championship! Terrible decision! revkev, fixyurdivot and MattF 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuka44 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 I agree with a lot of these comments. Too many excuses for just plain old poor contact mishits, by pros. European announcers just say "that was a plain old mishit, and one of the worst shots I've ever seen". Here they want to blame the lie, or anything other than the player. They don't show enough of the make percentages on the putts? The reason is that they show mostly putts that are made from 12, 15, 18, 20 feet. It would be hard to convince weekend golfers to buy new putters, if you showed the 90% misses from 18 feet, or made it clear to weekend golfers, that regardless of what putter they have, they are only gong to make likely 1 out of 10 putts (or less) from 15 feet. They don't show any of the other real stats around the game for the pros because it would make it clearer to the average golfer just how hard the game actually is for the pros and more likely lead the weekend golfer to the conclusion that buying new equipment (and all that other stuff) is not going to improve their game. The television coverage, from who they choose to speak with, and ads shown and commentary is designed to convince the average golfer to spend money on equipment and lessons, fitted clubs, special shoes, balls. The last thing the television coverage wants to promote is a narrative of save your money, and go and practice with your 10 year old clubs, and you'll be much further ahead than buying new ones. NO WAY! They only really speak with pro's who talk about swing speed, and gadgets, trackman, swing aids, talk about tweaking their swing, because they are hoping that the average weekend hack will decide he needs to do the same thing. Watch how quickly they move away from pros who indicate they are just happy being able to play golf for a living, and that if they win great, but if they don't that is ok too. The narrative of the television coverage is why I watch golf with the sound off, unless Trevor Immelman is on the broadcast. Him I can at least tolerate cnosil, revkev, MattF and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: Cobra King Speedzone Irons: Mavrik 4-GW Wedges: CG-14 56 & RTX 52 Hybrid: Callaway Apex Pro 2H Woods: Gigagolf 3W, Putter: Ping Scottsdale Wolverine Ball: Srixon Z-Star XV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas King Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 I just want to watch more golf. I think most my gripes have been mentioned above somewhere but there is almost always a shot being hit somewhere on the course, let's see it. Yes, I'm fine with extra attention on the leaders but there are also 60 other golfers out there as well. Another thing I would like to see on a broadcast is camera angles that actually give some perspective on the shape of the course. I watch people take videos on their phone and those videos show the elevation and slopes on the course and really make you say "wow, that's a tough shot". Watch that same footage from the broadcast and it looks like their just hitting onto a flat green the size of Alaska. I don't care if they are correcting for color as they want the broadcast to look good but as least get some different lenses and try to actually provide some perspective on what the course actually looks like. The only competitor to the golfers is really the course and somehow TV coverage has managed to completely remove that aspect from their broadcast. If a iPhone video can make you say wow, then they can certainly find a way to do the same thing. I think people would pay more attention and watch more golf if the broadcast gave a true perspective for just how hard the shots are. If the full broadcast was shot on a iPhone, I think it would really help people respect and understand just how good the pros are. revkev and fixyurdivot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 On 6/7/2021 at 7:05 AM, B.Boston said: Haha yes. Those approach shots and recovery shots are something special. I saw Marc Leishman hit a shot out of the trees between holes after having to bring a rules official over and call a penalty on himself that sounded so pure and solid off of leaves I think I just said “whoa.” One thing I have liked lately with the broadcast is the “playing through” commercials where we still see action on the course while giving sponsors time to air some ads. Perhaps more impressing is the tunnel of patrons that encircle the player and the ball takeoff path, and, seemingly, are a shank or snap hook away from the ICU . GolfSpy BOS and MattF 2 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Official Review) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMex Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 ***** YOU ASKED FOR IT WARNING ***** 1) DRY AND BORING COMMENTATORS: Seems commentators seem to be afraid of having any sort of personalities, I loved Feherty's comments! Told it like it is, instead of these "gems" we hear every week, "He wants to get this close to the hole" or "He's not going to like that shot", really Captain Obvious? He just pushed his shot 80 yards into the snake infested woods. 2) DRUNK OBNOXIOUS FANS SCREAMING STUPID STUFF: There should be gallery marshals' were as anytime a fan screams "Get in the hole" "Mash potato" "your the man" or any other stupid remark, he is tasered and carried out of the grounds. 3) Putt after putt after putt: I have counted 6 shots of different players putting and one of another as he finished his driver swing and BEFORE the ball lands and THEN back to another player putting. 4) CONSTANT TIGER WOODS SHOTS AND MENTIONING OF HIS ROUND: I know it's been a while, but it drove me nuts how they kept mentioning him even if he was at bottom of leader board, then they kept showing more of his shots than the tournament leaders. revkev and MattF 2 Quote DRIVER: Cobra F-8 set at 10.5, Aldila NV 2KXV Blue 60 (R) 44 1/2 " 3 & 5 WOOD: Callaway XR-16, Fujikura Speeder Evolution 565 Red (R) IRONS 5-SW: PING G-700, 2 upright, std loft Alta CB (R) + 1/2" HYBRID 3-4: PING G-410, 1 upright, Alta CB 70 Red (R) + 1/2" PUTTER: Byron Experimental GSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 Sounds like none of us is a big putting fan. I get it down the stretch but I'd rather watch shots than putts any day - I love seeing tough shots around the green being executed. As some have observed, pros miss shots, how they get up and down from there is remarkable. cnosil, MadMex and MattF 3 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMex Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 5 hours ago, revkev said: Sounds like none of us is a big putting fan. I get it down the stretch but I'd rather watch shots than putts any day - I love seeing tough shots around the green being executed. As some have observed, pros miss shots, how they get up and down from there is remarkable. EXACTLY !!! I want to see how a pro get's out of tricky situations than shot after shot from the groomed fairway, I saw Seve Ballesteros use a 5 iron to chip from the fringe using a putting stroke, later on I saw and interview were he said the closer to the green the less loft he uses for chip and run shots, the less green to work the more loft he would use,,,,,, been my go to shots since MattF 1 Quote DRIVER: Cobra F-8 set at 10.5, Aldila NV 2KXV Blue 60 (R) 44 1/2 " 3 & 5 WOOD: Callaway XR-16, Fujikura Speeder Evolution 565 Red (R) IRONS 5-SW: PING G-700, 2 upright, std loft Alta CB (R) + 1/2" HYBRID 3-4: PING G-410, 1 upright, Alta CB 70 Red (R) + 1/2" PUTTER: Byron Experimental GSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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