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I picked up golf just before Lockdown! Since then I've been having lessons and been fitted for clubs as well as gifted a few (lucky me). When it comes to my Irons, I have Wilson D7 5i - Sw with a Gw too. Max lost is 56. Should I have a 60 degree in the bag? Everyone keeps saying short game is king and I am trying to find a balance. Or tell me whats missing, if anything remembering I am a beginner. 🙂

For info, in the bag currently I have:

Mizuno STz driver - fitted

Callaway Big Birtha 3 wood - gifted

Wilson D7 irons with Pw,Gw & Sw - fitted as mentioned

Ping Darby putter - gifted - Edel en route!!

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Driver: Mizuno STz, Fujikura Atmos Black 6 Tour Spec, Loft 10.5 - Fitted

Woods: Callaway Big Birtha 3 wood

Irons: Wilson Staff D7, Uniflex - Fitted

Wedges: Wilson Staff D7, Uniflex - Fitted

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You have plenty of wedges. Use them to develop touch and feel around the greens. As your game improves, you may find a need for different wedges, but right now, you should be able to execute any shot you need with those clubs.

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You probably don’t need a 60 and there’s been multiple teaching pros who say that beginner golfers don’t need lob wedges.

But since you are taking lessons talk to your pro and see what he thinks. He will be able to tell you 1) if you should play a lob wedge or not 2) what type of grind and bounce 3) how to properly use the wedge 

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The purpose of irons and wedges is to hit the ball a specific distance.  Some people add 60 degree wedges to help them hit a specific distance; some people learn how to hit the 56 or other lofted club those same distances.   There are no set specific ways to setup your bag.  Figure out what clubs you need to be effective.  I personally use my 54 for most shifts under 75 yards.

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Learn what bounce is, what it does, and have at least 1 wedge with a lot more bounce than your other wedges.  6 degrees is low, 16 is high.  Typically a sand wedge has 14 or 16 degrees bounce, so if your Wilson set includes a sand, as you say, it prob. has the big bounce.  Nothing wrong with trying a 60 degree, most golfers have 1 wedge they use the most.  I love Mizuno wedges, the grain flow forged (GFF), a theoretically superior piece of metal with highest uniformity of the molecular structure.  hoo hah!  but they feel very responsive.    I have a 6 year old 52 degree 9 bounce that is my best club.  I bot a spare too, nevermind the latest model.

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Driver  Callaway Epic on Recoil F2 (senior) flex

Three wood is TM Burner Superfast 3.0 on M (mature) flex

3H Old Adams A3OS red boxster on stock Graffaloy Platinum reg shaft

3 MP 18 MMC and 4 GFF hybrid Mizuno irons

5 Mizu hybrid Fli-hi

6 - W Ping I 500 irons on Recoil F3 reg flex shafts

Wedges:  Mizuno blue 52 09, 60 06, and old original Hogan Sure-out 56 14 sand

Chipper (yep I carry a chipper) old Don Martin Up n In bronze 

Putter Musty wood mallet, sometimes switch with my Scotty Cameron Futura X counter weight face balanced

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I'm a 16.5 hdcp and I carry a 54*SW & 58* lob wedge.

 When Ping recently offered the free Arccos sensors (to ping club owners), I realized that after 90 holes, I have used my 58* exactly ZERO times :-(.  

I thought I carried it to get me out of really deep bunkers, but I come to find out that I prefer to open up the 54* for those shots. 

So now it's time to replace the "like new" lob wedge with another hybrid or a heavenwood.  Or I just might get a chipper :-).

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you have a wedge now you need a sand wedge, any brand that looks good to your eye i'd suggest one 56 degree wedge bounce 12 degrees.. learn how to use it open the face, get's the ball up, close the face it'll run, when you open the face make sure you open the face then grip it .. learn how to shallow (tiny or no divot) and how to come into the ball steep (deep divot), good luck and happy golfing! In a year you'll know if you want to add a lob wedge.

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Agree with most that a 56 degree will serve you best and a 10* bounce will work both out of the sand and fairway.   I personally like the Vokey wedges.  A 60 degree wedge is difficult to master and takes years.  I have been playing since 1985, am 75 and use the wedges that came in my Titleist T300 set up thru the 53 degree wedge, then I use a 58.12d Vokey.  It is all about feel and what works and managing your distances.  

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Agree with most that a 56 degree will serve you best and a 10* bounce will work both out of the sand and fairway.   I personally like the Vokey wedges.  A 60 degree wedge is difficult to master and takes years.  I have been playing since 1985, am 75 and use the wedges that came in my Titleist T300 set up thru the 53 degree wedge, then I use a 58.12d Vokey.  It is all about feel and what works and managing your distances.  

Might add that I was fitted for all my clubs by a Titleist certified fitter.  

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Rob W. said:

I'm a 16.5 hdcp and I carry a 54*SW & 58* lob wedge.

 When Ping recently offered the free Arccos sensors (to ping club owners), I realized that after 90 holes, I have used my 58* exactly ZERO times :-(.  

I thought I carried it to get me out of really deep bunkers, but I come to find out that I prefer to open up the 54* for those shots. 

So now it's time to replace the "like new" lob wedge with another hybrid or a heavenwood.  Or I just might get a chipper :-).

Get a chipper.  No brainer.  I have 2 from the 1950s or 60s.  I use a Don Martin Up-n-In, bronze, grooveless, the orig grip is a square brown leather, loft is probably a 2 iron.  I also have a Stan Thompson, famous guy for the Ginty designs.  He made a ClosUp, a nice chrome wide groove job, loft is prob. 3 iron.  The Martin is better for smaller greens, closer use, the Close-Up I would use where the greens and fringes are larger and you are making longer chips.  Both guys were in southern Calif.   Ebay, baby, Ebay, or maybe try club finder or your local $5 bargain barrels.  Right now I see both on ebay.

Driver  Callaway Epic on Recoil F2 (senior) flex

Three wood is TM Burner Superfast 3.0 on M (mature) flex

3H Old Adams A3OS red boxster on stock Graffaloy Platinum reg shaft

3 MP 18 MMC and 4 GFF hybrid Mizuno irons

5 Mizu hybrid Fli-hi

6 - W Ping I 500 irons on Recoil F3 reg flex shafts

Wedges:  Mizuno blue 52 09, 60 06, and old original Hogan Sure-out 56 14 sand

Chipper (yep I carry a chipper) old Don Martin Up n In bronze 

Putter Musty wood mallet, sometimes switch with my Scotty Cameron Futura X counter weight face balanced

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12 minutes ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:

Get a chipper.  No brainer.  I have 2 from the 1950s or 60s.  I use a Don Martin Up-n-In, bronze, grooveless, the orig grip is a square brown leather, loft is probably a 2 iron.  I also have a Stan Thompson, famous guy for the Ginty designs.  He made a ClosUp, a nice chrome wide groove job, loft is prob. 3 iron.  The Martin is better for smaller greens, closer use, the Close-Up I would use where the greens and fringes are larger and you are making longer chips.  Both guys were in southern Calif.   Ebay, baby, Ebay, or maybe try club finder or your local $5 bargain barrels.  Right now I see both on ebay.

Let me start by saying this is a serious question, not being argumentative, I'm honestly curious. What is the advantage of a chipper? Why not just use the club with the loft you are looking for and chip with that? You only have 14 spots.  Is the chipper that valuable?

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8 minutes ago, Riverboat said:

Let me start by saying this is a serious question, not being argumentative, I'm honestly curious. What is the advantage of a chipper? Why not just use the club with the loft you are looking for and chip with that? You only have 14 spots.  Is the chipper that valuable?

1.  Length of the shaft.

2.  Lie angle.

3.  Size and type of sole, flat, bounce, wide, etc.  i.e. grind.

4.  Material made from.

5.  Groove or in case of Don Martin, no groove.

6. Grip style.

7.  And while I am not yet very good, injury/ spine like Stacy Lewis before her surgery, I think many golfers can ditch a long club.  How many clubs do you actually use between your driver and your 5 iron?  Or as one person on this topic said, he found out he never used his 58 degree wedge.  I carry a 60, but if I ever needed to drop a club, I can hit very accurate with my Mizuno 52/09.  I almost never need to try a Phil Mickelson style flop shot with the 60 deg wedge.

So, while the pros and 3 hdcp folks can do the work with their 58 or 60, it takes many more hours of practice compared to a few hours of practice with a dedicated chipper.  Everything about my 7 or 6 iron is designed for the full swing and contact from fairway.  Those become un-friendly when chipping.  I used to chip all the time with a 7 iron but the chipper is way more accurate.  Especially, as I wrote, the Don Martin for smaller greens, the Thompson if I play on large greens.

Driver  Callaway Epic on Recoil F2 (senior) flex

Three wood is TM Burner Superfast 3.0 on M (mature) flex

3H Old Adams A3OS red boxster on stock Graffaloy Platinum reg shaft

3 MP 18 MMC and 4 GFF hybrid Mizuno irons

5 Mizu hybrid Fli-hi

6 - W Ping I 500 irons on Recoil F3 reg flex shafts

Wedges:  Mizuno blue 52 09, 60 06, and old original Hogan Sure-out 56 14 sand

Chipper (yep I carry a chipper) old Don Martin Up n In bronze 

Putter Musty wood mallet, sometimes switch with my Scotty Cameron Futura X counter weight face balanced

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For $20 or $30 you can get one of these chippers on ebay right now and give it a try.

Driver  Callaway Epic on Recoil F2 (senior) flex

Three wood is TM Burner Superfast 3.0 on M (mature) flex

3H Old Adams A3OS red boxster on stock Graffaloy Platinum reg shaft

3 MP 18 MMC and 4 GFF hybrid Mizuno irons

5 Mizu hybrid Fli-hi

6 - W Ping I 500 irons on Recoil F3 reg flex shafts

Wedges:  Mizuno blue 52 09, 60 06, and old original Hogan Sure-out 56 14 sand

Chipper (yep I carry a chipper) old Don Martin Up n In bronze 

Putter Musty wood mallet, sometimes switch with my Scotty Cameron Futura X counter weight face balanced

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A chipper is a high loft club that you don’t have to learn on how to open the face on a wedge. Works well as a basic club in rough or bunker shots. Not as flexible but unless you learn how to open the face and use the bounce to slide under the ball, a standard wedge is not used to full advantage. Better and aspiring better golfers don’t rate chippers well. In any event, short game skills need to be developed for better scoring. One doesn’t need to be as good as Phil M. but being able to have high and low shots into the green improves scoring. Chippers only develop low runners. 

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My suggestion for wedges for beginners is to go with cavity back models as they are alot more forgiving than traditional wedges. Options would include the Cleveland CBX and the Callaway Mack Daddy CB wedges. I have the Cleveland CBX wedges in 46, 52 and 56 degree lofts and they work much better for me than anything else I have tried. For a sand wedge, you could also consider the C3i 65 degree wedge ($99), as with those, there is no need to open the club face or open your stance, so I find that it makes bunker shots a lot easier.

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22 minutes ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:

1.  Length of the shaft.

2.  Lie angle.

3.  Size and type of sole, flat, bounce, wide, etc.  i.e. grind.

4.  Material made from.

5.  Groove or in case of Don Martin, no groove.

6. Grip style.

7.  And while I am not yet very good, injury/ spine like Stacy Lewis before her surgery, I think many golfers can ditch a long club.  How many clubs do you actually use between your driver and your 5 iron?  Or as one person on this topic said, he found out he never used his 58 degree wedge.  I carry a 60, but if I ever needed to drop a club, I can hit very accurate with my Mizuno 52/09.  I almost never need to try a Phil Mickelson style flop shot with the 60 deg wedge.

So, while the pros and 3 hdcp folks can do the work with their 58 or 60, it takes many more hours of practice compared to a few hours of practice with a dedicated chipper.  Everything about my 7 or 6 iron is designed for the full swing and contact from fairway.  Those become un-friendly when chipping.  I used to chip all the time with a 7 iron but the chipper is way more accurate.  Especially, as I wrote, the Don Martin for smaller greens, the Thompson if I play on large greens.

Thanks for the perspective. My wedges have been the strength of my game for a long time, so I won't be switching any time soon, but it helps to hear other points of view. 

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10 hours ago, Mark D said:

Hey Everyone,

I picked up golf just before Lockdown! Since then I've been having lessons and been fitted for clubs as well as gifted a few (lucky me). When it comes to my Irons, I have Wilson D7 5i - Sw with a Gw too. Max lost is 56. Should I have a 60 degree in the bag? Everyone keeps saying short game is king and I am trying to find a balance. Or tell me whats missing, if anything remembering I am a beginner. 🙂

For info, in the bag currently I have:

Mizuno STz driver - fitted

Callaway Big Birtha 3 wood - gifted

Wilson D7 irons with Pw,Gw & Sw - fitted as mentioned

Ping Darby putter - gifted - Edel en route!!

Good for you picking up this crazy game, and welcome to the forum.  I remember being a beginner, and I had the same thoughts as you.  My feeling is... it depends whether or not you need/want a LW.  Foremost is, can you hit one reliably?  I immediately got a 60º because everyone else I played with had one; I couldn't hit it.  That said, 25 years later my 60º Callaway PM Grind is now my most favorite club for all shots around the green.  

You can certainly make all the shots that you would use a 60º for with your GW and SW.  The advantage of using your set wedges is they have the same shaft and feel as your other clubs, which is good when making full shots.  The disadvantage is that they may not be the best fit for less than full, feel shots around the green.  That's where the wedge brands with multiple bounce and sole grinds are beneficial.  One day, you may want to replace your SW, or even your GW, with a name brand wedge.  If/when you do, consider the shaft as well as the head specs.  It's important!!

As a beginner, I think you should use your current wedges and work with your coach on the short game.  It will pay dividends quickly.  When you feel comfortable, try out a LW if you think there are shots you need that you may not make very well with your SW.

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1 hour ago, Riverboat said:

Let me start by saying this is a serious question, not being argumentative, I'm honestly curious. What is the advantage of a chipper? Why not just use the club with the loft you are looking for and chip with that? You only have 14 spots.  Is the chipper that valuable?

 

1 hour ago, WiTerp50 said:

A chipper is a high loft club that you don’t have to learn on how to open the face on a wedge. Works well as a basic club in rough or bunker shots. Not as flexible but unless you learn how to open the face and use the bounce to slide under the ball, a standard wedge is not used to full advantage. Better and aspiring better golfers don’t rate chippers well. In any event, short game skills need to be developed for better scoring. One doesn’t need to be as good as Phil M. but being able to have high and low shots into the green improves scoring. Chippers only develop low runners. 

WiTerp  I disagree.  My chipper is for shots near or on the fringe, not sand or heavy rough.  The loft is a long iron, not wedge, the bounce is minimal.  The ball gets 12" to 18" off the ground.   My sand is another classic oldie, the Hogan Sure-Out, pretty sure it is a 56 deg 14 b. with a huge sole.  In the rough close to the green, I use either Mizu wedge or maybe the shallower bounce and narrow sole on my Ping I 500s, 7,8,9, W, depends on each lie.  In real bad rough, maybe the Hogan with 14 deg bounce fits the bill.  Sometimes I bring my Ginty 2 copper sandwedge tho, it has a lot of weight and a sharp leading edge for rough, or longer yardage than I like for the Up-N-In. 

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Driver  Callaway Epic on Recoil F2 (senior) flex

Three wood is TM Burner Superfast 3.0 on M (mature) flex

3H Old Adams A3OS red boxster on stock Graffaloy Platinum reg shaft

3 MP 18 MMC and 4 GFF hybrid Mizuno irons

5 Mizu hybrid Fli-hi

6 - W Ping I 500 irons on Recoil F3 reg flex shafts

Wedges:  Mizuno blue 52 09, 60 06, and old original Hogan Sure-out 56 14 sand

Chipper (yep I carry a chipper) old Don Martin Up n In bronze 

Putter Musty wood mallet, sometimes switch with my Scotty Cameron Futura X counter weight face balanced

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7 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

You probably don’t need a 60 and there’s been multiple teaching pros who say that beginner golfers don’t need lob wedges.

But since you are taking lessons talk to your pro and see what he thinks. He will be able to tell you 1) if you should play a lob wedge or not 2) what type of grind and bounce 3) how to properly use the wedge 

I'm not a beginner.... and I sure as hell don't need a lob wedge! 😂

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If you're just getting started, what you have should suit your needs pretty well.  My highest lofted wedge right now is 58* (I carry 50*, 54*, 58*).  Get good with basic shots (not manipulating the face) with the wedges you currently have.  At some point, you may try to start opening up the face of your wedges and find that the heel gets in the way.  That's when you'll want specialty wedges.  If the D7 gap wedge is like the D7 Forged gap wedge that I have, it's more like an 11 iron than a wedge.  

The chipper mentioned above is a good call for certain people, but I'd actually recommend picking up a hybrid or two and learn to putt with them as well as hitting full shots.  The putt with a hybrid is a dead-simple shot to learn (seriously, you can pick it up in about 30 minutes - just adjust for the lively face), and a wide-soled hybrid is even more forgiving than most chippers.

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4i - PW - :wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S )
GW - LW - :cobra-small: F8 - N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour105 ( S )
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Lots of great advice in this thread, like others have mentioned I'd talk with your pro and work on various types of shots with your current setup. Doing that is a great way to learn how various clubs & lofts react to doing different things in different course conditions. 

I've in the past used a chipper as well as a wedge designed to get out of the sand easily. However, once I learned how to chip with different irons and how to get out of the sand "properly", I ditched both clubs because they can be one-trick ponies. 

Honestly, even now my highest wedge is 58* and over the course of 18 holes I'll pull it maybe once or twice. For a long time my highest wedge was 54* and I learned to do so much with it over time that I'm very comfortable with it in different situations. You may find that the same thing happens with you as well with a particular club. Good luck, and have fun!

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:callaway-small: V-Series Heavenwood
:cobra-small: Baffler XL 5i-PW
:cleveland-small: CBX 54*
:ping-small: iWedge 58*
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