Byrnzee's Swing Change Thread

[RickyBobby_PR]

Just now, Byrnzee said:

Definitely understand what you're saying. I'll try out this drill sometime this week. I've tried before on several occasions to do the 45° drill and I think I've struggled because it's so foreign (I know that's the point) to feel like the clubface is not staying within the swing arc.

I do like Porzak's teaching methods and can understand his methodology for pressure into the trail side. I'd like to try and continue trying his methods but if I can't seem to grasp them properly, I may have to move onto other content that resonates more.

As always I appreciate the feedback and constructive criticism.

That’s the downside of going about swing changes alone and using either YouTube videos or video series from instructors. Not having the view of your doing this right or you need to do X.

It also tends to require good understanding of what’s going on in the swing and looking at the videos to see what’s going on and why.

As for the wrist set, pretty much every instructor has the same approach to how the wrist sets. So you will see similar drills, thoughts about how to set the wrists.

imo it’s going to be faster and easier going to an in person instructor and working with him/her. Reading threads here and on other forums and golf groups online lessons especially where it’s send a video in and get feedback them work on what’s in the feedback doesn’t work for most golfers. For similar reasons to what’s hard about using videos from YouTube or an instructor’s website. There are some really good video series out there for free or very cheap. Like AMG who has a free membership and then several paid ones that offer more info/access as you pay more for the higher level membership.

Eeic Cogorno has lots of good info, Monte’s rebellion golf video series No Turn Cast, Power shift and efficient swing are good.

[Byrnzee]

1 minute ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

That’s the downside of going about swing changes alone and using either YouTube videos or video series from instructors. Not having the view of your doing this right or you need to do X.

It also tends to require good understanding of what’s going on in the swing and looking at the videos to see what’s going on and why.

As for the wrist set, pretty much every instructor has the same approach to how the wrist sets. So you will see similar drills, thoughts about how to set the wrists.

imo it’s going to be faster and easier going to an in person instructor and working with him/her. Reading threads here and on other forums and golf groups online lessons especially where it’s send a video in and get feedback them work on what’s in the feedback doesn’t work for most golfers. For similar reasons to what’s hard about using videos from YouTube or an instructor’s website. There are some really good video series out there for free or very cheap. Like AMG who has a free membership and then several paid ones that offer more info/access as you pay more for the higher level membership.

Eeic Cogorno has lots of good info, Monte’s rebellion golf video series No Turn Cast, Power shift and efficient swing are good.

I didn't have much success from an in-person instructor earlier this year so I've tried to work on some things on my own to avoid the large cost of lessons. I can definitely understand how it's hard to grasp these concepts from YouTube or other online content though.

I do understand the feedback and would like to try and implement it with some of these drills. Just need to be more disciplined and patient in this process. I am planning on doing more lessons over the winter to continue developing my game and scratch the golf itch.

I appreciate the suggestions as well. I'll keep these in mind as I continue to learn.

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, Byrnzee said:

I didn't have much success from an in-person instructor earlier this year so I've tried to work on some things on my own to avoid the large cost of lessons. I can definitely understand how it's hard to grasp these concepts from YouTube or other online content though.

I do understand the feedback and would like to try and implement it with some of these drills. Just need to be more disciplined and patient in this process. I am planning on doing more lessons over the winter to continue developing my game and scratch the golf itch.

I appreciate the suggestions as well. I'll keep these in mind as I continue to learn.

Here to help. Post videos of working on the drills and we can see if you are doing them properly or where adjustments can be made

[Byrnzee]

Hello all,

It's been a couple weeks since my latest update so I apologize for the brief hiatus. In all honestly, I've been putting in some work behind the scenes and didn't want to make a proper update until I felt like things were moving in a more positive direction. I especially wasn't satisfied with the videos I was taking, which is why I haven't shared more of my training. 

All that being said, I definitely feel like I'm moving in the right direction and have some great swing thoughts and checkpoints that I've been using and would like to share:

• As @RickyBobby_PR pointed out, I was starting my swing with my left hip as opposed to my left shoulder. This was an overcorrection of a previous bad habit of starting with my hands coming inside right away. I started turning my whole body to try and fix my poor technique and ended up creating a new bad habit. One of my swing thoughts now is to lead the takeaway with the left shoulder. This thought helps keep the clubhead outside my hands on the takeaway and doesn't let my arms become too detached from my body. 
•   Since the takeaway has improved using the swing thought above, my next step was to improve my wrist hinge. Once my hands get past my right thigh in the takeaway, this is my queue to start hinging my wrists vertically (abduction), while continuing to rotate around my right thigh with my shoulders and hips. Hinge and rotate to the top has become my simplified way of thinking of it. I'll try to provide some videos in the future since this explanation probably isn't super helpful.
• The final thought has been to rotate with my whole body through the ball. My worst swing habit by far is coming over the top in the downswing. My right shoulder seems to start the downswing as opposed to all of the things that should (left hip moving backwards, arms falling vertically, etc.). Thinking about going from that set position at the top of the backswing and just rotating my hips and shoulders through the ball has helped a bit to minimize that over the top movement. There is definitely still a lot of work to do in this department, but it will likely require more lessons and some serious drills in the off-season to overcome my bad habits that have formed over the years.

By breaking down my swing into these sections, I've essentially created a ready, set, GO technique that I feel comfortable with. Ready starts with the shoulder takeaway until my hands get past my right thigh, Set happens when I reach the top of the backswing after hinging my wrists and continuing to rotate to the top, and GO is my green light to let my body uncoil and rotate through impact. I'm sure there are still plenty of improvements I could make, but for right now this is what is working for me and my game.

As always, I appreciate everyone who is following along on this journey. I am still very much a work-in-progress, but I'm confident in my ability to adapt and learn the proper way to transform my swing. My plan is to receive more lessons over the winter months, so I'm sure that will provide more content in the off-season.

Thank you for reading and have a great day!

[Byrnzee]

Couple other quick thoughts I forgot to mention (didn't want to edit and add on more length to my last post):

1. In setup to the ball, my balance points were too far back as @RickyBobby_PR also pointed out. I have worked on fixing this by starting my routine with arms straight out and bending from the hips. This has helped get my armpits more over the balls of my feet and has helped me feel like I'm in more of an "attack" position when coming through impact.
2. I have a tendency to overswing at the top of my backswing. This has resulted in my arms continuing to move at the top of my backswing even when my body has stopped turning. I have started to implement the thought of shoulder under chin. Whether you've heard that tip from Johnny Miller, Nick Faldo or more recently Nelly Korda, I've seen little to no loss in distance from a more abbreviated backswing (at least that's what it feels like). 

Between this post and the one before it, that's a lot of swing thoughts to try and keep it in my head when I'm standing over the ball. I've been working on committing all of this to muscle memory and only thinking about one or two things as opposed to five when I'm out on the course. But I wanted to give you all a peek inside my head and the method behind the madness!

[Byrnzee]

Went to the driving range last night to try and get some reps in and see how my swing is looking. 

I noticed right away that I was very rusty and was feeling stiff. Started my session with a 54 degree wedge, per usual, and then spent the majority of my time working on some drills with my 8-iron.

I worked on a few different drills, but the main two I was focusing on were the pump drill and the hinge, set and go drill. I'll explain each of these in detail below along with some videos.

The pump drill is used to try to ensure that your arms and body are rotating together through impact. I have a tendency to get over the top, which results in early extension of my hips and an out to in swing path. I had never really tried this drill extensively, so I figured I would give it a try. This drill also helps with ball compression, which is something I've been trying to get more consistent with.

The hinge, set and go drill is where you hinge with club parallel to the ground in your takeaway, then complete the rest of your swing from that set spot. Historically, my takeaway has been very inside. I'm still not quite where I would like to be, but this position at club parallel is much better than where I used to be. I still have a tendency to come over the top from this position - I think part of it is from wrist flexion/extension versus radial deviation. I need to get better at not coming too inside on the backswing even from a better club parallel position. I'm almost trying to manipulate my arms/hands in the right position versus just rotating around my body. In the video below, I do two versions of the drill. In the first version, I pause at club parallel and again at the top of the backswing before the downswing through impact. The second version I would call the traditional hinge, set and go drill where you only pause at club parallel. I think both versions can be helpful.

Finally, I tried putting it all together. I started with the takeaway, making sure I'm leading with the left shoulder. At club parallel, I make sure I'm in a good position before continuing to rotate to the top of the backswing. At the top of the backswing I pause again and begin the pump drill. I do two pumps to get a feel for how the club should fall through impact as I rotate. Then I strike the ball.

This is obviously not something I would be doing on the course and I still have a lot to improve on. But just wanted to give you all some insight into a driving range session and what I'm working on. Appreciate everyone who took the time to read this!

p.s. I have a swing evaluation tomorrow evening, so I should have plenty to update here once I'm finished with that.

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by Byrnzee

[Goober]

I’m from the west side of Chicago. Good go see a local working on his game. With such a great city we live around. You would think we would have some great teaching facilities. But it’s odd that we are lacking in that area. One of the biggest cities in the world ironically. Keep up the great work. Following 

[Byrnzee]

On 10/22/2023 at 5:32 AM, Goober said:

I’m from the west side of Chicago. Good go see a local working on his game. With such a great city we live around. You would think we would have some great teaching facilities. But it’s odd that we are lacking in that area. One of the biggest cities in the world ironically. Keep up the great work. Following 

Thank you for following and I totally agree I wish there were more accessible options for us!

[Byrnzee]

I recently went to a GolfTec in Chicago for a swing evaluation. There was a deal through the CDGA (Chicago District Golf Association) to get an evaluation for 50% off the normal price, so it seemed worth it to at least check it out. The instructor was friendly and started the session by letting me hit a few balls. After he saw what my swing looked like, he started to break down the different things they look for in a swing - such as club face angle, hip alignment, shoulder alignment, swing plane, sway during the swing, etc...

I didn't know what to expect, but obviously I've been working incredibly hard to improve my swing this year. One of the main things off the bat was he said I had a solid swing and knew how to make good impact with the ball. However, there were two things I could do right away that would help reduce sway and improve alignment:

1. Hip Bump - at setup, he told me to bump my left hip about an inch toward my target. This is something that Adam Porzak on YouTube teaches as well, but something I've struggled to put into action. Right away I was able to feel more stable and had improved contact with reduced sway during the swing.

2. Square Shoulders - without realizing it, my shoulders have been open at address. With my driver, it has always been part of my routine to bump my left shoulder up and square myself to the ball. However, I hadn't been doing the same with my irons, which was leading to shots not being on my intended target line.

Those two small changes were worth the price of the evaluation, in my opinion. He tried to sell me on a 12-month lesson plan for close to $5k (I almost choked when he gave me the price), but I graciously thanked him for his help and ran out of there 

I got to play yesterday for the first time since that evaluation and I was really happy with how these two tips helped my game. My ball striking with my irons was much more consistent and I was hitting my target line almost every time (15-20mph winds weren't helping but that's neither here nor there).

Will hopefully have more updates throughout the winter as I continue to hone my swing on simulators and indoor domes!

[cksurfdude]

So GolfTec can be hit or miss depending on the particular instructor aka "coach" you get paired up with .. in your case it sounds like you got a nice enough one but heck yeah they do work hard to try to upsell you...

And they do have packages for way way less than that crazy price you were told, so shame on them for not making that clear to you.

Anyway.... I had taken a series of GolfTec lessons, and it did help me make progress, but ultimately I felt like I got to a point where I benefited more from seeing an individual pro at the private club I joined.

[Byrnzee]

It's been quite some time since I've posted in here and I apologize for the last of consistency. I had reached a point last season where I was still working through a lot of my "issues" and wanted to post about improvements rather than shortcomings. However, I know that isn't the point of this thread and I should be sharing the entire process as opposed to just the positive results of my hard work.

As I've begun preparing for the 2024 golf season, I have been working on setup a lot to try and position myself on the best path to achieving my desired golf swing. The three main things I'm focusing on at setup are:

1. Hips over ankles: I've realized that in the past my weight has been too far back at address. I'm working on a more athletic stance where I am bending at the hip and having the weight more in the balls of my feet than the heels
2. Hip bump: this move is a Porzak special. By creating a "post" with your left leg, you give yourself something to turn around and reduce sway.
3. Squaring shoulders: as mentioned in my GolfTec post above, I was previously setting up open to the golf ball which would result in inconsistent shots

In addition to the setup checklist above, I've been working on initiating my takeaway with my left shoulder as well as pushing down on the club with my left hand heel pad to initiate the wrist hinge into P2 of my swing. 

 

I'm still working on dropping my hands into the slot more to initiate the downswing in order to have a more inside-out swing path and avoid coming over the top/early extending through impact. My plan is to do a lot of drills overexaggerating this feeling at slower speeds and then work my way up to a full speed swing.

All-in-all I'm happy with the progress I'm making and I've been striking the ball very well in the sim this winter. Here's a driver swing from yesterday that I really liked the look of compared to last season:

 

More updates to come as I continue working this off-season!

 

[RickyBobby_PR]

18 minutes ago, Byrnzee said:

It's been quite some time since I've posted in here and I apologize for the last of consistency. I had reached a point last season where I was still working through a lot of my "issues" and wanted to post about improvements rather than shortcomings. However, I know that isn't the point of this thread and I should be sharing the entire process as opposed to just the positive results of my hard work.

As I've begun preparing for the 2024 golf season, I have been working on setup a lot to try and position myself on the best path to achieving my desired golf swing. The three main things I'm focusing on at setup are:

1. Hips over ankles: I've realized that in the past my weight has been too far back at address. I'm working on a more athletic stance where I am bending at the hip and having the weight more in the balls of my feet than the heels
2. Hip bump: this move is a Porzak special. By creating a "post" with your left leg, you give yourself something to turn around and reduce sway.
3. Squaring shoulders: as mentioned in my GolfTec post above, I was previously setting up open to the golf ball which would result in inconsistent shots

In addition to the setup checklist above, I've been working on initiating my takeaway with my left shoulder as well as pushing down on the club with my left hand heel pad to initiate the wrist hinge into P2 of my swing. 

 

I'm still working on dropping my hands into the slot more to initiate the downswing in order to have a more inside-out swing path and avoid coming over the top/early extending through impact. My plan is to do a lot of drills overexaggerating this feeling at slower speeds and then work my way up to a full speed swing.

All-in-all I'm happy with the progress I'm making and I've been striking the ball very well in the sim this winter. Here's a driver swing from yesterday that I really liked the look of compared to last season:

 

More updates to come as I continue working this off-season!

 

A few things that standout in your driver swing that will lead to inconsistent contact and ball flight 

first is the lack of wrist set. The wrist set in all swings is basically the same regardless of club, when it happens is slightly different as the clubs get longer. With your driver you don’t set them at all and the club gets behind you in the takeaway (pic 1)

 

This leads to a very flat and laid off club at the top. Not a good position to be in because you can’t shallow from there (pic 2)

Which when you are in that position the only option is to steepen the shaft and then shallow late which is going to usually be dumping the trail side (which is what you do) then you have to stand up to clear room to swing (pic 3)

Edited January 16 by RickyBobby_PR

[Byrnzee]

Went to the simulator this morning to get some work in. I've been training with the ProSENDR lately to work on proper wrist position and staying connected throughout the swing.

The main feel I was working on today was feeling the side bend and the clubhead behind my hands on the downswing. This feel got me into a much better position through impact. I started the drill slow and tried to really exaggerate the feel:

 

After doing this drill really slow a few times, I tried to increase the speed while maintaining the checkpoints throughout the downswing. 

 

 

 

Finally I worked up to a full swing without pausing and pumping to start the downswing.

 

In my opinion, this is the most technically sound swing I've ever attempted. From the takeaway, to the position at the top, to the start of the downswing, through impact. You may see some imperfections that remain in my swing and that's okay. This is still very much a work-in-progress.

It's going to take many months to implement this form into muscle memory. I'm very excited about the progress I've made up to this point and for the direction I'm headed into the new golf season!

[RickyBobby_PR]

Curious why drilling adding waist bend in the downswing?

good golf swings actually lose waist bend in the backswing and add it back in during the downswing?

 

[cksurfdude]

14 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

good golf swings actually lose waist bend in the backswing and add it back in during the downswing?

Yes - saw that same thing demonstrated recently by Monte in one of his short training vids on his Insta! 

[Byrnzee]

15 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Curious why drilling adding waist bend in the downswing?

good golf swings actually lose waist bend in the backswing and add it back in during the downswing?

 

I've always struggled with the feeling of dropping the hands or laying down the shaft to start the downswing. This drill is an extreme over-exaggeration for me to feel the clubhead getting behind the hands in order to have a better path through impact. 

With time and repetition, there won't be as much side bend in the actual swing at full speed. But this helped me personally the most out of other drills I've tried.

[Byrnzee]

30 minutes ago, cksurfdude said:

Yes - saw that same thing demonstrated recently by Monte in one of his short training vids on his Insta! 

I don't follow Monte but just found this video after you mentioned it. Definitely a good drill that would help with my issues. Idk why, but I've just always struggled with the feeling of laying the clubhead back to start the downswing. Personal hurdle/mental block apparently

[cksurfdude]

2 hours ago, Byrnzee said:

I don't follow Monte but just found this video after you mentioned it. Definitely a good drill that would help with my issues. Idk why, but I've just always struggled with the feeling of laying the clubhead back to start the downswing. Personal hurdle/mental block apparently

Been to a few of his in-person clinics and they've really helped me!

That vid just seemed to click with me and remind me/reinforce what I should be practicing.

There's another where he demonstrates a quick, easy way to get into a good top of the takeaway position; plus another to show you that "one thought" that can help you get into a better follow-through position. All really helpful, imho.

Keep working and practicing!!

 

[RickyBobby_PR]

5 hours ago, Byrnzee said:

I've always struggled with the feeling of dropping the hands or laying down the shaft to start the downswing. This drill is an extreme over-exaggeration for me to feel the clubhead getting behind the hands in order to have a better path through impact. 

With time and repetition, there won't be as much side bend in the actual swing at full speed. But this helped me personally the most out of other drills I've tried.

You are addressing a symptom and not the actual cause or fault. Right side bend and which is what your doing in this drill isn’t going to fix the hands dropping in transition. 
 

you have to figure what’s happening before transition and more than likely before lead arm parallel that’s causing your issues.

Biting I was addressing where you are in the takeaway and backswing. You have to have some extension in the backswing.

heres a good video, compare where he is at when her gets to the top compared to where you are.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzEbmC3Rb8i/?igsh=MXJpa2Q1MnB0NTYycw==
 

The photo shows how bent over you are and that all you did was kick the left knee out and bent it. Your trail arm is pinned to your body as well. That’s a speed killer for one and will get your stuck

which we can see in your reversal swing is using the path way out right (pic 2) and then how hard you roll your hands and arms afterwards to try to square the (pic 3) face. At this point in the swing good golfers have the butt of the club pointed at their chest/belly button.

we can look at post impact in the swing where you actually hit the ball and see how much your arms are pulled in and how tied up you are and being in a bad position post impact position (pic 4).

drills and movement changes should be working on proper movement patterns, it’s not what this drill is doing. Our mind learns these movements and the motor neurons remember them and then recreate them the more they are done. This is what is commonly called muscle memory. It’s not the muscles remebering but the motor neurons and what signals are sent to the body

Edited January 28 by RickyBobby_PR

[GolfSpy SAM]

Punching a bit out of my weight class (go ahead, make a fat joke, I dare you  ), but wouldn't the practice that Byrnzee's doing pre-shot be considered "feels" versus what's actually happening in the swing - the "reals", if you will?  We've seen lots of tour pros throughout our days watching live events practice something VERY different than their actual swing (Spieth is doing it nearly every pre-shot routine currently), so that they can remind themselves of the feel they're after, even if the 'real' isn't that dramatic.  To be fair, the actual shot IS similar to the pre-shot routine, so I may be speaking out of school here, just trying to grasp the difference between the two. 

Is there not benefit to an over-exaggerated pre-shot routine if it helps get you in the right space for the actual swing? 

@Byrnzee - don't worry. I'm not expecting you to be wearing the Sunday Red anytime soon

[Byrnzee]

1 hour ago, GolfSpy SAM said:

Is there not benefit to an over-exaggerated pre-shot routine if it helps get you in the right space for the actual swing? 

Lots of great points here, Matt. Appreciate your 2 cents and I totally agree that we're seeing a lot of examples of over-exaggerating "feels" lately. This Tiger video was something that actually inspired trying out this drill to try and help "feel" where the clubhead should be in the downswing.

1 hour ago, GolfSpy SAM said:

@Byrnzee - don't worry. I'm not expecting you to be wearing the Sunday Red anytime soon

So you're saying I should return all these mock turtlenecks...

Edited January 29 by Byrnzee

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, GolfSpy SAM said:

but wouldn't the practice that Byrnzee's doing pre-shot be considered "feels" versus what's actually happening in the swing - the "reals", if you will?

Feels yes but when you turn that into swings that start in a bad position it creates a bad movement pattern. We can use his videos to talk about this. If the goal is to get the hands lower doing it via creating more right side bend isn’t ther way to go about it. And then trying to do it from an improper backswing position it’s also adding to the problem.

if we use the video you posted of Tiger Tiger is creating a feel to increase waist bend in the downswing. Notice he didn’t try to do a swing with that much waist bend. 
 

1 hour ago, GolfSpy SAM said:

Is there not benefit to an over-exaggerated pre-shot routine if it helps get you in the right space for the actual swing? 

Yes. We can look at Justin rose and his drill for lowering the arms, iirc Tyrell hatton has one too where he drops the arms way down. But you don’t see either take a swing. The create the feel so their brain knows what they want to do.

using over exaggeration in drills works but the drill has to be addressing the cause not the symptom.

hands not getting down isn’t going to be fixed by creating more right side bend, it actually worsens the problem by becoming a shallowing move and creating a path that is too far in to out. This can lead to a two way miss.

This problem actually comes from the club being out of position in the backswing. Could be at/before shaft parallel or between shaft parallel and lead arm parallel. Think rolling the arms/hands or too much one piece takeaway. Also caused by bad pressure shifts and improper hip rotation. The fix would be to get the wrists I hinge properly and get pressure to the trail side early and proper hip rotation then the chances are the rest will take care of itself.

Now if we have a situation where the golfer is actually in a position that’s not bad at the top of the swing but then rush the swing or throws the trail shoulder out and come over the top. If this is the case then the Justin rose drill or Monte’s cast a would be better drills.

 

[GolfSpy_KFT]

15 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

This problem actually comes from the club being out of position in the backswing. Could be at/before shaft parallel or between shaft parallel and lead arm parallel. Think rolling the arms/hands or too much one piece takeaway. Also caused by bad pressure shifts and improper hip rotation. The fix would be to get the wrists I hinge properly and get pressure to the trail side early and proper hip rotation then the chances are the rest will take care of itself.

Are you able to post a video of yourself kind of talking through and going through what you’re describing here? I do typically quite a bit better with visual aids paired with verbal instead of one or the other. May be beneficial not only for myself but OP as well! 

[Byrnzee]

Accountability Post

I've been working really hard on getting my swing in good shape for the upcoming golf season. By joining this 24/7 simulator over the winter, I've had increased access to a facility where I can practice on a regular basis.

I have definitely seen improvements in my ball striking. My dispersion is tighter and my shots are hitting my target line more frequently.

However, I still am not happy with how my swing looks. From getting lessons, getting feedback from instructors, watching videos and doing countless drills, I'm still facing a lot of the same issues as when I started this swing change journey.

Now I know that there are a million different ways to swing a golf club. I would take consistent results over a textbook swing anyday. But with how hard I've been working to have both, I was hoping I'd see more progress in the "look" department at this point.

Hoping to take a lesson in the next month or so to get some realtime feedback and some drills to help fix some of my issues. 

Just wanted to share some of the downside of this journey as I continue to work through everything. Thanks for reading!

[Byrnzee]

 

Swing Thought of the Day: Let the arms fall

I've heard over and over when trying to get my club more "on plane" or "shallow" in the downswing that I should try to think about letting my arms fall.

Tiger Woods has talked again and again about this over the years. I've tried many drills to try and get my arms to fall during the downswing, but it just never really clicked for me.

Here's a helpful video if you're curious as to what "letting the arms fall" should actually look like:

I saw this video on TikTok recently, where this golf content creator talks about Nelly Korda's swing. One thing he points out is how it almost looks like she gets to the top of the swing and then just throws the clubhead at the ball. It looks absolutely effortless and I don't think anyone would argue that it is a beautiful swing.

One of the main things I took away from this is that I'm trying to do way too much with my arms/hands on the downswing. What I should be doing is using my body's rotation to move the club in the downswing through impact. There is obviously more nuance to achieving the desired result, but the "feel" of letting my body rotate and the club follow seems to have some promise (after some indoors, half-swing practice).

I've realized I've been way too tight at the top of my backswing. I'm very tense and then trying to contort my arms and body to achieve the desired downswing look. By relaxing my arms (but not losing form i.e., straight left arm, wrist hinge angle) they fall naturally back along the desired swing path as I rotate through impact. 

 

Hoping to take this thought and put it into practice this week at the simulator 

[cksurfdude]

3 hours ago, Byrnzee said:

One of the main things I took away from this is that I'm trying to do way too much with my arms/hands on the downswing. What I should be doing is using my body's rotation to move the club in the downswing through impact. There is obviously more nuance to achieving the desired result, but the "feel" of letting my body rotate and the club follow seems to have some promise (after some indoors, half-swing practice).

Congrats on all the hard, and focused, with you've been doing!

So I watched the two videos you included in your post, aaand....

But .. I'm either not understanding them or I'm not understanding your statement quoted above.

You started the post with "let the arms fall" ..

.. and each video seems to me to be saying 'let the arms start / lead you into the down swing' ..

.. then followed by body rotation into the follow through...

Just wanted to get clarification on your thoughts here... Thx!

[Byrnzee]

2 minutes ago, cksurfdude said:

But .. I'm either not understanding them or I'm not understanding your statement quoted above.

You started the post with "let the arms fall" ..

.. and each video seems to me to be saying 'let the arms start / lead you into the down swing' ..

.. then followed by body rotation into the follow through...

Just wanted to get clarification on your thoughts here... Thx!

Apologies for the confusion here!

The first video I included just as a reference to what I meant by "letting the arms fall." I wasn't sure if everyone was familiar with the term, so I wanted to show an example. The move he does at the beginning of the video is an isolated demonstration of letting the arms fall. This motion in combination with a proper body rotation would get the club moving on the proper swing plane through impact.

The Nelly Korda video I included because this is the thought process that inspired this new "feel" that I discussed above. In this video they discuss how she throws the club at the ball, but after watching it a few times, it seemed to me that she was simply rotating her body and letting the clubhead follow suit.

So yes, both videos talk about starting the downswing with the arms. However... that thought or "feel" has never worked for me. So by being "inspired" by these videos vs. trying to copy them verbatim, I came up with my own feel of letting the arms fall while simply rotating your body. Maybe that would've been a better title at the beginning of my first post, but it seemed too long 

Let me know if this helps clear things up.

[RickyBobby_PR]

The arms don’t fall and there is actually force being applied in the downswing.

What Tiger and Nelly do that you aren’t doing is shifting pressure and using using the ground.

Also compare where their trail is at compared to yours. There is separation between the arm and the body.

You also fire the right hip and get stuck because of the lack of pressure shift an using the ground 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C13LGOUxoxN/?igsh=ajRkajZuY3p0ejZr

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1zGmQXIX33/?igsh=MTJrM200NjRyeHhuaw==
 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1HhhJwxAWR/?igsh=MWVqcGduMW52ZDU5dA==

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cz6ZVP9u4-D/?igsh=YjltcmF1MXpkOXJ0

Edited February 6 by RickyBobby_PR

[Byrnzee]

1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

The arms don’t fall and there is actually force being applied in the downswing.

What Tiger and Nelly do that you aren’t doing is shifting pressure and using using the ground.

Also compare where their trail is at compared to yours. There is separation between the arm and the body.

You also fire the right hip and get stuck because of the lack of pressure shift an using the ground 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C13LGOUxoxN/?igsh=ajRkajZuY3p0ejZr

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1zGmQXIX33/?igsh=MTJrM200NjRyeHhuaw==
 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1HhhJwxAWR/?igsh=MWVqcGduMW52ZDU5dA==

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cz6ZVP9u4-D/?igsh=YjltcmF1MXpkOXJ0

I appreciate the insight and the videos regarding pressure shifting. I will definitely use these this week while practicing. 

At the end of the day this is a very humbling learning experience for me. Hopefully I can look back at the progress I've made down the road and be proud of how far I've come.

[cksurfdude]

3 hours ago, Byrnzee said:

However... that thought or "feel" has never worked for me. So by being "inspired" by these videos vs. trying to copy them verbatim, I came up with my own feel of letting the arms fall while simply rotating your body.

Ah ha, got it! Thx for that.

Just an FYI.. I'm working on a similar thing but in a little different way - I've been to Monte Scheinblum clinics and am working on drills he gave me .. and that also appear in his videos .. to get the arms moving way earlier to start the downswing.

Good luck on your continuing journey!!

 

PS: @RickyBobby_PR thx for posting those vid links; gonna check them out tomorrow.