Do you agree with this article on scoring?

[Javs]

Wanted to share this article on scoring. Do you agree?

https://pluggedingolf.com/winning-at-golf-on-your-terms/

[cnosil]

7 minutes ago, Javs said:

Wanted to share this article on scoring. Do you agree?

https://pluggedingolf.com/winning-at-golf-on-your-terms/

I agree 100% with the article.  

[Javs]

2 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I agree 100% with the article.  

I felt the same way!

[Preeway]

I don’t know if I’m 100% in agreement but definitely like 90%. I think the author is taking too much of an assumption that people make bad/wrong decisions out of arrogance or ego when there are a lot of weekend hackers who just don’t know better. Working as a caddy really opened my eyes to this. For example, on a 150 yard par three they will be inclined to hit their 150 yard club. When in fact they need to hit perhaps 140 yards based on things like bunker location or pin location on the green. 

[cnosil]

15 minutes ago, Preeway said:

I don’t know if I’m 100% in agreement but definitely like 90%. I think the author is taking too much of an assumption that people make bad/wrong decisions out of arrogance or ego when there are a lot of weekend hackers who just don’t know better. Working as a caddy really opened my eyes to this. For example, on a 150 yard par three they will be inclined to hit their 150 yard club. When in fact they need to hit perhaps 140 yards based on things like bunker location or pin location on the green. 

Reading responses to things Scott Fawcett and Lou Stagner  post, it is probably a lot of don’t understand and stand 100% behind their interpretation of how things are done and the refusal to listen to other potentially better ways.  That is probably getting toward the arrogance/ego perspective.  

[Triple_Putt]

31 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Reading responses to things Scott Fawcett and Lou Stagner  post, it is probably a lot of don’t understand and stand 100% behind their interpretation of how things are done and the refusal to listen to other potentially better ways.  That is probably getting toward the arrogance/ego perspective.  

I think it also has to do with what certain people are “comfortable” with hitting and knowing they will fall short but thinking that would be a better outcome. For instance I play with a few guys that would rather hit their “comfort” iron 20 yards short than hit the correct iron for their distance, based solely on them thinking that it would be better to be short than in the weeds. 
 

“My 8 iron is best the club in my bag” and that’s all they hit all day type of deal

[DaveP043]

One thing I disagree with:

"This one is going to ruffle some feathers: on the green, roughly half your misses should be short of the hole."

If the putt is beyond maybe 10 or 12 feet, I agree completely, the center of your pattern should be at the hole.  Its more about avoiding 3-putts than making long ones..  However, shorter "makeable" putts should almost all finish past the hole, otherwise you're giving up opportunities to make putts.  

[Preeway]

5 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

One thing I disagree with:

"This one is going to ruffle some feathers: on the green, roughly half your misses should be short of the hole."

If the putt is beyond maybe 10 or 12 feet, I agree completely, the center of your pattern should be at the hole.  Its more about avoiding 3-putts than making long ones..  However, shorter "makeable" putts should almost all finish past the hole, otherwise you're giving up opportunities to make putts.  

I think this statement is more reflective of people who believe EVERY putt should reach the hole. I definitely believe 90% of my putts inside 10’ should reach the hole or finish past the hole. But once I get to 15’ and beyond I am more focused on managing the miss and ensuring I have an easy second putt. This ultimately leads to half of my putts being short and the other half going past. 

[cnosil]

11 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

One thing I disagree with:

"This one is going to ruffle some feathers: on the green, roughly half your misses should be short of the hole."

If the putt is beyond maybe 10 or 12 feet, I agree completely, the center of your pattern should be at the hole.  Its more about avoiding 3-putts than making long ones..  However, shorter "makeable" putts should almost all finish past the hole, otherwise you're giving up opportunities to make putts.  

good point and I agree that shorter putts should favor long but as you move away from the hole, your overall average will be more “50/50”.    I think the statement is more about the general statements people make like never up her in,  100% of putts short don’t go into the hole, etc.   the result is people always; even on the longer putts trying to get past the hole.   

[Golf2Much]

In general, I agree with most that the author said.  I think everyone knows someone that fits in each of those areas.  I don't know if it's being stubborn, just ill informed or maybe both.  A friend of mine is a has a handicap index about 20.  He refuses to play with game improvement irons because they have a wider top line than the irons he grew up with back in the 1970's.   His iron play is all over the place but he's not willing to get over his bias of a thick top line to improve his game.  

[Subdiver1]

13 hours ago, DaveP043 said:

One thing I disagree with:

"This one is going to ruffle some feathers: on the green, roughly half your misses should be short of the hole."

If the putt is beyond maybe 10 or 12 feet, I agree completely, the center of your pattern should be at the hole.  Its more about avoiding 3-putts than making long ones..  However, shorter "makeable" putts should almost all finish past the hole, otherwise you're giving up opportunities to make putts.  

I've pretty much always been a die it in the cup, maybe 2 cups past putter.  but never really a play it 1 foot past or blow it through the break on short putts guy. If you read, The Match, Harvey was a past the hole guy and they say he never missed a return putt. In The Secret to Holin Outts (Smith & Taylor, 1961) one of Horton Smith's principles is that your short game should always go past the hole because then you know what the ball will do, if you are short, you are still left guessing what will happen between where you lie and where you're trying to go.  I figure it hard to argue that logic.

[DaveP043]

7 hours ago, Subdiver1 said:

I figure it hard to argue that logic.

Logic is backed up by statistical evaluation.  Mark Boadie's Every Shot Counts has a chapter about putting, and the numbers make sense.  If you're close enough to have a reasonable chance of getting the line exactly right, leaving a putt short is giving up an opportunity to make it.  And if you're that close, you're unlikely to blow a putt 5 or 6 feet past.  The front-to-back dispersion from 5 feet, say, is probably less than 3 feet, so make the front of that dispersion at the hole, and the worst putt will still only be 3 feet past.  From 20 feet, however, you're not likely to get the line exactly right, and your front-to-back distance might be closer to 5 feet.  If you make the CENTER of that pattern at hole high, your worst results will be about 2.5 feet short or long, minimizing 3-putts.  THAT is what the article is getting at, shifting away from the "get it to the hole" mentality for most putts.

[RickyBobby_PR]

Article is pretty spot on

[DiscipleofPenick]

This is correct, but it's nothing new. Same stuff that's been said for 100 years.

[ShimmyCocoBop]

The higher the handicap, the more the article is true.