Does anyone use the “Tiger” Scorecard while playing their round?

[Samuel09152]

Does anyone use the Tiger scorecard as well as the normal? Or have you altered it to help yourself make steps to improving? If you did alter it what did you change? 

[Karls0991]

I just learned about the tiger 5 this past weekend. I already use Arccos so feel like I don’t want to be focused on even more. I do think it’s a great system though. 

[Samuel09152]

What metrics are you focused on with Arccos?

[cnosil]

I do the Tiger 5 after the round; no reason to do it during the round.   I find that those metrics are a little more focused than what I was getting from Shot Scope.  IMO Shot Scope is overkill for my playing level.   

[Preeway]

Informally only. No 3 putts and no bogeys on par 5s are always on my radar. No blown easy saves and no doubles are goals but don’t really get hyper focused on them. I’m not trying to shoot 60s every round though. If I can accomplish the first two goals I know I’m scoring in the 70s. 

[cksurfdude]

As a higher handicapper my focus is more the Haney Three...

1. No penalties off the tee
2. No 2-Chips
3. No 3-Putts

And despite a LOT of practice on short game .. #s 2 and 3 .. i know I still have a lot more work to do on these when actually playing...

Edited April 4 by cksurfdude

[Samuel09152]

 

On 4/3/2024 at 8:22 PM, Preeway said:

Informally only. No 3 putts and no bogeys on par 5s are always on my radar. No blown easy saves and no doubles are goals but don’t really get hyper focused on them. I’m not trying to shoot 60s every round though. If I can accomplish the first two goals I know I’m scoring in the 70s. 

Man I cant wait til I can say this lol 70s are not on my radar yet, but I willl get there. I like the focus on the on the couple and then kinda have the others as thoughts but not like needs. I may start implementing something similar. Really focus on no 3 putts and something while keeping in the back of my mind things i would like but not a need. LOVE THAT! Thanks!

23 hours ago, cksurfdude said:

As a higher handicapper my focus is more the Haney Three...

1. No penalties off the tee
2. No 2-Chips
3. No 3-Putts

And despite a LOT of practice on short game .. #s 2 and 3 .. i know I still have a lot more work to do on these when actually playing...

I have never heard of the Haney Three, but this seems to be more of what I need. Right now, penalties off the tee happen more then I want to admit, chipping and putting could always get better. I average 1 3 putt every 15 holes,  but haven't kept up with 2 chips. Do you give a radius for the 2-chips or just in general? 

[Preeway]

1 hour ago, Samuel09152 said:

 

Man I cant wait til I can say this lol 70s are not on my radar yet, but I willl get there. I like the focus on the on the couple and then kinda have the others as thoughts but not like needs. I may start implementing something similar. Really focus on no 3 putts and something while keeping in the back of my mind things i would like but not a need. LOVE THAT! Thanks!

You bet. I think the key to improving your game is being incremental. You can’t go from shooting 90s to 70s overnight. I’ve been working on the Tiger 5 for a long time and feel like I’m at a point this year where I can start to push for all of them now. 

 

On 4/4/2024 at 6:57 AM, cksurfdude said:

As a higher handicapper my focus is more the Haney Three...

1. No penalties off the tee
2. No 2-Chips
3. No 3-Putts

And despite a LOT of practice on short game .. #s 2 and 3 .. i know I still have a lot more work to do on these when actually playing...

I hadn’t heard of these either but these are perfect for wanting to play round in the low 80s and break into the 70s. No penalties off the tee is huge. 

[Samuel09152]

2 minutes ago, Preeway said:

You bet. I think the key to improving your game is being incremental. You can’t go from shooting 90s to 70s overnight. I’ve been working on the Tiger 5 for a long time and feel like I’m at a point this year where I can start to push for all of them now. 

 

I hadn’t heard of these either but these are perfect for wanting to play round in the low 80s and break into the 70s. No penalties off the tee is huge. 

I think I am going to use the Haney Three now that I know it is a thing and from there move to the Tiger 5 lol 

 

[Josh Parker]

I typically focus on no 3 putts and no doubles. 

[GolfSpy_KFT]

On 4/4/2024 at 6:57 AM, cksurfdude said:

As a higher handicapper my focus is more the Haney Three...

1. No penalties off the tee
2. No 2-Chips
3. No 3-Putts

And despite a LOT of practice on short game .. #s 2 and 3 .. i know I still have a lot more work to do on these when actually playing...

Never heard of the Haney Three, but absolutely will be post round assessments for 2024. In the two 9 hole rounds I shot last year when I went 41/40 on consecutive days, I accomplished all three of these goals. Also only had two birdies and two doubles, effectively cancelling each other out. 

My biggest scoring goal is to get into the 80s and consistently stay there this year. Would be over the moon to break 80 at some point, but not going to put that pressure on myself yet as I only got below 85 once last year.

[Preeway]

I hadn’t heard of this either but its simplicity is brilliant. If you do these three every round you will have a chance to break 80 for sure. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

For those who are using either Haney or tigers stuff what is your plan to abide by them?

example what’s your plan/strategy to avoids double bogeys.

or what are you doing to avoid three putts.

And to follow up on that if the plan is to improve the swing to reduce the number of bad shots, what are you using to determine what you need to fix/work on?

[cnosil]

2 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

For those who are using either Haney or tigers stuff what is your plan to abide by them?

example what’s your plan/strategy to avoids double bogeys.

or what are you doing to avoid three putts.

And to follow up on that if the plan is to improve the swing to reduce the number of bad shots, what are you using to determine what you need to fix/work on?

They are simply numbers to track as a trend.     I use post round analysis to determine what my issues were during the round and where I need to work.    For example if I had multiple 3 putts I look at why.    Generally my issue is short game related and my primary focus for improvement.   I don't personally think I need detailed stat track for my skill level; simple notes on the round is plenty.

[Samuel09152]

1 hour ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

For those who are using either Haney or tigers stuff what is your plan to abide by them?

example what’s your plan/strategy to avoids double bogeys.

or what are you doing to avoid three putts.

And to follow up on that if the plan is to improve the swing to reduce the number of bad shots, what are you using to determine what you need to fix/work on?

Today I kept up with the Haney 3. I think it made me think more strategy from the tee on each hole. I also think if you wanted to be on Hanks or Tiger's level it is probably best to do some of this as pre-round prep if the round is a serious round.  For me tho as a post round assessment it gives me insight on what to practice. For example I only had 2 3 putts today on 9 holes, but only hit 3 greens in reg. This weekend I focus more at the range  on the 100 yard shot, 125 yard and 135 yard shot by picking a flag or target to hit at. My goal will be to hit within 8/10 shots within 10 feet of each target. If I miss that targeted goal, I will write it down and work on it again until I reach this goal. This practice will take more time then my putting practice at the range will because I putted better then approaching. I will still need to keep this skill sharp, so I will play a game by picking one of the 9 putting green holes putt to is say 2 putts is par, and work my way around to every flag. The par number will drop if the putt is within 4 feet to 1. But the goal will to beat 18 puts. 

[cksurfdude]

..oops I had, umm, assumed  everyone knew of / had heard of The Haney Three Rules (abut you do know him as Tiger's coach for many years, right?) Read about it somewhere years ago, and also happened to catch him on a segment of a Golf Channel lessons show a few years back where he went through this.

 

8 hours ago, Samuel09152 said:

I average 1 3 putt every 15 holes,  but haven't kept up with 2 chips. Do you give a radius for the 2-chips or just in general? 

That's a very decent 3-putt average!

On the 2-Chips - for me, it's basically anytime I'm near the green (eg. rough, bunker from missed approach or fairway in front of the green from a layup or shorted approach) and trying to get on ... typically with a wedge in my hand (could also count bump & runs, I guess). No specific distance range.

 

7 hours ago, Preeway said:

I hadn’t heard of these either but these are perfect for wanting to play round in the low 80s and break into the 70s. No penalties off the tee is huge. 

In my case break through 90s and start playing in the 80s 

 

6 hours ago, GolfSpy_KFT said:

My biggest scoring goal is to get into the 80s and consistently stay there this year.

Yes, sir - right there with you!! 

 

2 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

For those who are using either Haney .. stuff what is your plan to abide by them?

Good question - for me...
-- tee shots - swing easier and "better" to get the ball into play; 
-- chipping - divert myself from fixating on what I think is the perfect shot to get the ball within 3 ft of the hole (can you say "unrealistic expectations" ) and instead put the ball into a decent enough position on the green/putting surface on the first go (ie. "don't let perfect be the enemy of good");
-- putting - been working on this a lot especially distance control for lag putts and then 8-, 5- and 3-footers.

Like cnosil I informally mark up a scorecard for these; may start to collect that into a spreadsheet to better track over time but then I can kinda tell where I am and am not improving.

[funkyjudge]

On 4/4/2024 at 7:57 AM, cksurfdude said:

As a higher handicapper my focus is more the Haney Three...

1. No penalties off the tee
2. No 2-Chips
3. No 3-Putts

And despite a LOT of practice on short game .. #s 2 and 3 .. i know I still have a lot more work to do on these when actually playing...

Never heard of the "Haney Three", but that, plus no double bogeys, has been my mantra for 30+ years. However, it's far easier said than done.

[cnosil]

1 hour ago, Samuel09152 said:

This weekend I focus more at the range  on the 100 yard shot, 125 yard and 135 yard shot by picking a flag or target to hit at. My goal will be to hit within 8/10 shots within 10 feet of each target.

Not judging,  but if your expectation is to hit 8/10 shots from each of those distances to 10 feet you might be setting expectations a little high.   Maybe if you are doing block practice but it still seems to be an aggressive goal.

PGA Tour proximity from fairway:

• 100: 18' 5"
• 125: 21' 5"
• 135: 22' 6"

https://forum.practical-golf.com/t/proximity-to-the-hole/803

[Samuel09152]

51 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Not judging,  but if your expectation is to hit 8/10 shots from each of those distances to 10 feet you might be setting expectations a little high.   Maybe if you are doing block practice but it still seems to be an aggressive goal.

PGA Tour proximity from fairway:

• 100: 18' 5"
• 125: 21' 5"
• 135: 22' 6"

https://forum.practical-golf.com/t/proximity-to-the-hole/803

That is true, I didn’t think about that. I don’t know why I thought that would be closer lol I meant to say 10 yards not 10 feet lol  That ring definitely needs to be bigger for me! Just a question tho, what is it in their practice I wonder or is that the practice? 
 

 

Edited April 5 by Samuel09152

[Samuel09152]

53 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Not judging,  but if your expectation is to hit 8/10 shots from each of those distances to 10 feet you might be setting expectations a little high.   Maybe if you are doing block practice but it still seems to be an aggressive goal.

PGA Tour proximity from fairway:

• 100: 18' 5"
• 125: 21' 5"
• 135: 22' 6"

https://forum.practical-golf.com/t/proximity-to-the-hole/803

Also please judge away! Lol  

[cnosil]

23 minutes ago, Samuel09152 said:

That is true, I didn’t think about that. That ring definitely needs to be bigger for me! Just a question tho, what is it in their practice I wonder or is that the practice or round? 

That is round data since it is captured via shotlink.  I haven't seen any actual numbers for pros dispersion during practice for anything other than driver.   Here is Rory and JT hitting one hundred 148 yard shots to make a hole in one.  You can see their dispersion pattern and percentages on how close the shots were. 

Here is some data from Lou Stagner showing amateurs hitting 110 yard shots during practice.  

 

[Donn lost in San Diego]

Someone edimitate me what Tiger Score card is.  No clue.  Me a trog low dite.

[Samuel09152]

28 minutes ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:

Someone edimitate me what Tiger Score card is.  No clue.  Me a trog low dite.

 

[cnosil]

34 minutes ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:

Someone edimitate me what Tiger Score card is.  No clue.  Me a trog low dite.

https://golf.com/instruction/tiger-woods-genius-lowering-scores-play-smart/

[Donn lost in San Diego]

Thanks.  So it is basic course management.  At the risk of sounding like a wise ass though, did we really not know this before Elrdrick?  "Drive for show, putt for dough"  comes to mind.  So does "Take your medicine and avoid a bigger number".   

[Samuel09152]

6 minutes ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:

Thanks.  So it is basic course management.  At the risk of sounding like a wise ass though, did we really not know this before Elrdrick?  "Drive for show, putt for dough"  comes to mind.  So does "Take your medicine and avoid a bigger number".   

That does makes sense to me also, but I guess my problem was how do I put that in away I can “see” it be the problem. I am a dummy and need to see the proof (this is not a good thing in most cases), but while the proof is there with those sayings, I could say it was somewhere else or I needed to work on this or that. This doesn’t directly point at what the problem is but it shows me aspects of a game. Also gives me a smaller goal to reach that helps towards the bigger goal. Sorry if that doesn’t make a lot of sense. All in all, I’m hard headed and sometimes need a million things to say the same thing before I believe it.

[cnosil]

46 minutes ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:

Thanks.  So it is basic course management.  At the risk of sounding like a wise ass though, did we really not know this before Elrdrick?  "Drive for show, putt for dough"  comes to mind.  So does "Take your medicine and avoid a bigger number".   

Kind of helps assess if you have course management issues, doesn't tell you how to do course management.   Course Management for amateurs really came into the forefront with Mark Brodie's book.  We also see younger professionals getting better with course management.    If we as amateurs understood course management we wouldn't aim at pins,  we wouldn't hit hero shots,   we would hit the ball as far as possible off the tee, etc.     

 

33 minutes ago, Samuel09152 said:

That does makes sense to me also, but I guess my problem was how do I put that in away I can “see” it be the problem. I am a dummy and need to see the proof (this is not a good thing in most cases), but while the proof is there with those sayings, I could say it was somewhere else or I needed to work on this or that. This doesn’t directly point at what the problem is but it shows me aspects of a game. Also gives me a smaller goal to reach that helps towards the bigger goal. Sorry if that doesn’t make a lot of sense. All in all, I’m hard headed and sometimes need a million things to say the same thing before I believe it.

You could start doing detailed stat tracking to better understand where  your weaknesses are.  The stat tracking systems will give you strokes gained for tee shots, approach game, short game, and putting.  It will also break down your performance by club.    

If you do the Tiger 5 you still have to do some assessment of why those things happened.   I played 9 holes yesterday and I had 2 doubles, 1 blown easy save, and 3 bogeys inside 150.  My notes were penalty off the tee,  hero shot instead of pitching out,  and wedge play 60-100 yards.   The wedge play wasn't due to bad course management, they were just poor shots and I need to work on hitting my wedges better.  

How do you currently understand/"see" where you need to improve?   

[Samuel09152]

1 minute ago, cnosil said:

 

You could start doing detailed stat tracking to better understand where  your weaknesses are.  The stat tracking systems will give you strokes gained for tee shots, approach game, short game, and putting.  It will also break down your performance by club.    

If you do the Tiger 5 you still have to do some assessment of why those things happened.   I played 9 holes yesterday and I had 2 doubles, 1 blown easy save, and 3 bogeys inside 150.  My notes were penalty off the tee,  hero shot instead of pitching out,  and wedge play 60-100 yards.   The wedge play wasn't due to bad course management, they were just poor shots and I need to work on hitting my wedges better.  

How do you currently understand/"see" where you need to improve?   

I just got  ShotScope x5 but only have 3 rounds and still trying to figure all of those numbers mean. So I’m looking forward to really deep diving into my game and breaking it all down. 
 

I think before the Tiger 5, I’m gonna do the Haney 3 until those become very solid! Lol 

Currently from what I can tell I give up a lot on approaches which results in me scrambling to get up in down. That’s why I love the little par3 course at RTJ Hampton Cove. I play the closest and second closest tees 2xs a week to work on this. I don’t tee the ball up so it feels more like it would hitting a second or third shot on a big course. My other weakness would be off the tee with a driver, right now I’m lucky to find anything 15 yards away from the fairway. 
 

I get what you are saying with the assessment, I need to start doing this better! Thanks! 

[cnosil]

31 minutes ago, Samuel09152 said:

I just got  ShotScope x5 but only have 3 rounds and still trying to figure all of those numbers mean. So I’m looking forward to really deep diving into my game and breaking it all down. 
 

I think before the Tiger 5, I’m gonna do the Haney 3 until those become very solid! Lol 

Currently from what I can tell I give up a lot on approaches which results in me scrambling to get up in down. That’s why I love the little par3 course at RTJ Hampton Cove. I play the closest and second closest tees 2xs a week to work on this. I don’t tee the ball up so it feels more like it would hitting a second or third shot on a big course. My other weakness would be off the tee with a driver, right now I’m lucky to find anything 15 yards away from the fairway. 
 

I get what you are saying with the assessment, I need to start doing this better! Thanks! 

If you are doing ShotScope,  you don't need to do the Haney or Tiger metrics;  it is covered in ShotScope performance details.  

[RickyBobby_PR]

2 hours ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:

Thanks.  So it is basic course management.  At the risk of sounding like a wise ass though, did we really not know this before Elrdrick?  "Drive for show, putt for dough"  comes to mind.  So does "Take your medicine and avoid a bigger number".   

That mantra has been debunked for awhile like many things golf. Strokes gained, launch monitor technology, fitters like Tom Wishon, Howard jones, others experts like tuttleman, 3d systems have all shown us how wrong many of the old school thinking was.