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This may be an old subject, but just lookin' for some feedback. Recently sent a couple wedges to Golfworks in Ohio for reshafting and PURE'ing. Thoughts??? Personally, what little I know and understand, I think there's is something there. Will it help a weekend golf geek like me? Who knows? I still wanted to try. 

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You'll never notice the difference. Shafts are made to such high tolerances now it makes almost no difference.

 

If it is was part of the base fitting service I'd be okay with it, but I'd never pay a dime extra for it


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That's big reason why I only did my wedges. I figured since they were getting re shafted anyway, may be a good time to try it. It was only 40 bucks extra. 

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Bunk.

This topic was previously discussed here:

https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/17341-shaft-aligning-is-it-for-me/

I made my view on the topic pretty clear. I've yet to see a performance advantage to Pure's proprietary method, but they and a lot of their followers would have you believe otherwise. To be honest, I tend to liken it to the "Emperor's clothes" of golf, in that anyone who can't see the advantage or increase in performance must be an idiot - therefore they agree with the myth. Well - call me an idiot, but I can't see any benefit whatsoever to using this "technique" on your shafts. It may well be a complete placebo effect - and you might also find that Q-Link bracelets, zero friction tees, or indeed cryogenic freezing will help you hit longer and straighter shots too. But use your eyes and ears and a bit of common sense, you might find that money might be better spent on lessons. Just a thought.

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This is the chicken or the egg question. Does it make it better, can you tell the difference etc.

For every person that says it works there is another that says it doesn't

 

I can't see anything wrong with finding what can be described as the best part of the shaft for the install. If for nothing else adding a  high level of consistency when putting the club together.

if it give the golfer another level of confidence then it works. If not then it doesnt

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Putting the best part of the shaft together is one thing. Charging for a placebo, or justifying it as in the eye of the beholder, is another if it is more bunk for dollars.

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I've looked for years for a shred of evidence that it makes a difference.... I'm still looking (but not looking very hard). 


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Well the stats are there for anyone willing to find them.  Pure-ing...spine-ing was done initially to find the stiffest portion of the staff and therefore get every staff bending and twisting in the same direction as you load the staff at the top of the swing relative to the heel/toe of the head.  The outcome was thought to bring a little more distance, dubious at best, but the effect of dispersion is undeniable.  Now if you would pick out the "go to" club in your bag, the one you hit most consistently, able to fade or draw at command, and you mark the shaft 90 degrees to the face and that shaft will be close to the stiffest portion of the staff or the spine.  And even though shafts are much more consistent than in the past there is still a "spine" in the shaft.  Now if you then take one more step and FLO (flat line oscillation) and find the exact "spine" orientation of the shaft that will oscillate the tip in a flat line when the butt of the shaft is affixed, then the "spine-ing and dispersion will be magnified...that is every club in you bag reacts upon loading in the same manner.  This is physics and engineering and it is science and not folk law...it does work.  I do it for all the clubs I shaft, both metal and graphite and everyone I do it for for one club bring all the rest to have them done.  So far everyone I have done this for has seen a 1-3 handicap improvement in their game...that's huge if you ask me.

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Well the stats are there for anyone willing to find them. Pure-ing...spine-ing was done initially to find the stiffest portion of the staff and therefore get every staff bending and twisting in the same direction as you load the staff at the top of the swing relative to the heel/toe of the head. The outcome was thought to bring a little more distance, dubious at best, but the effect of dispersion is undeniable. Now if you would pick out the "go to" club in your bag, the one you hit most consistently, able to fade or draw at command, and you mark the shaft 90 degrees to the face and that shaft will be close to the stiffest portion of the staff or the spine. And even though shafts are much more consistent than in the past there is still a "spine" in the shaft. Now if you then take one more step and FLO (flat line oscillation) and find the exact "spine" orientation of the shaft that will oscillate the tip in a flat line when the butt of the shaft is affixed, then the "spine-ing and dispersion will be magnified...that is every club in you bag reacts upon loading in the same manner. This is physics and engineering and it is science and not folk law...it does work. I do it for all the clubs I shaft, both metal and graphite and everyone I do it for for one club bring all the rest to have them done. So far everyone I have done this for has seen a 1-3 handicap improvement in their game...that's huge if you ask me.

So you are in this line of work and charge for this service?

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Yes I do this for all my "clients" (friends and others) and I do charge a nominal fee of $15 per club.

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It works 100% if you are a mental/psychological type players who Get extra boost of confidence with components tweaking. Loft, lie, weight, length, flex all have their place in making your game better.

 

My take on the shaft alignment is quite simple, it works more in the mind than physical reality as claimed. All studies and evidences so far are done by ever unrepeatable human swing, when hooking them up to iron Byron would prove once and for all definitive results but so far I've seen none.

 

It further confirms my believes on YouTube when several specialists claim that "all shafts" can be improved by such process no matter how good or expensive they are. They got some nerve.

 

The machine and the training are relatively cheap to acquire, it would be a no brainer decision for any shaft manufacturers to get one especially the lower end ones to boost their street creds by putting the stickers on the shaft.

 

To further support my opinion, most authorized location would also pure'd your putter shaft, why? Unless you are Jamie Sandusky who hits his putter 250 yards you are not going to put any kind of torque on the shaft that shaft alignment would make any minute difference.

 

All these alignment companies claim and show you the benefit of the process but none I've seen show any prove on results by machine testing results, it would have been the easiest thing to do to back up their claim. Machine has no emotion(yet) it would show which performs better definitively.

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I had my irons pured when I got fitted, along with my driver shaft...

 

I couldn't say if I can tell any difference.

 

Am I hitting my driver better because I got fitted to the right shaft? No doubt.

Am I hitting it better because it's pured? Maybe... But after it was done, I made an adjustment on the hosel and lofted it up a notch (SLDR) and am hitting it even bettrr...

 

So didn't lofting it up change the alignment that the shaft was pured to?


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Well the stats are there for anyone willing to find them. Pure-ing...spine-ing was done initially to find the stiffest portion of the staff and therefore get every staff bending and twisting in the same direction as you load the staff at the top of the swing relative to the heel/toe of the head. The outcome was thought to bring a little more distance, dubious at best, but the effect of dispersion is undeniable. Now if you would pick out the "go to" club in your bag, the one you hit most consistently, able to fade or draw at command, and you mark the shaft 90 degrees to the face and that shaft will be close to the stiffest portion of the staff or the spine. And even though shafts are much more consistent than in the past there is still a "spine" in the shaft. Now if you then take one more step and FLO (flat line oscillation) and find the exact "spine" orientation of the shaft that will oscillate the tip in a flat line when the butt of the shaft is affixed, then the "spine-ing and dispersion will be magnified...that is every club in you bag reacts upon loading in the same manner. This is physics and engineering and it is science and not folk law...it does work. I do it for all the clubs I shaft, both metal and graphite and everyone I do it for for one club bring all the rest to have them done. So far everyone I have done this for has seen a 1-3 handicap improvement in their game...that's huge if you ask me.

Aren't steel shafts extruded these days rather than welded together? Why would there be a spine? Graphite I understand because of all the layers but I am not seeing it with steel shafts

 

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