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Taylormade is OFFICIALLY releasing the SIM line of drivers this week. Thoughts?

I am very much a fan of Taylormade clubs as most of my bag is TM. I bought the TM M6 last year and love it; great club. Having said that... I'm disappointed in the new SIM drivers. Seems the only change is:

Asymmetric Sole Shape & Inertia Generator

Designed to provide faster clubhead speed for more ball speed and distance while the rear weight creates high MOI for improved forgiveness

Additionally.... if you paint it black and yellow you'll get the Cobra F9 from last year. They took the F9 and threw a massive weight on the end.

TM and Callaway are known to put out drivers every year so this is no surprise that its kinda underwhelming. I am NOT saying this is a bad performing driver, but just underwhelmed. If its been a few years since you have bought a new driver then it could be great.

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I wonder if people are underwhelmed when car companies release a car model every year. Or phone every year. Or anything every year.  This isn't about drastic improvements over the previous year.

I guess I'll just post my first impressions in this thread instead of making another thread with the same subject matter. My driver swing is still kinda in the dumps, but I will say that SIM Max

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Rick Shiels just did a video review of Sim and Sim max- overall a good driver, but it didn't consistently do any of the claims made by TM. His SS differed by 0.4mph.

Personally from the address position it looks good, very similar to many TM drivers. The sole though is horrible with that lump of metal stuck on. 

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I hit the SIM about 6 times. Looks like the other TM drivers; I don’t personally care what the bottom looks like. Will provide some additional thoughts when it comes into my most wanted testing rotation. My current thought is it isn’t any better or worse than any other driver, If you are just picking it up of the shelf. Comes with a Ventus shaft so people will pick it up simply because Of the shaft. I have been told it is a made for Ventus shaft.

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4 minutes ago, jlukes said:

I wonder if people are underwhelmed when car companies release a car model every year. Or phone every year. Or anything every year. 

This isn't about drastic improvements over the previous year. It's about incremental improvements. 

Only a very small percentage of golfers upgrade every year. They're going to upgrade regardless. 

I really don't understand why people on golf forums get on a soap box EVERY SINGLE YEAR new equipment comes out. 

In simplest terms, people want to talk about clubs.  
 

Manufacturers make profound claims about performance and those claims should be substantiated. 
 

While many of us won’t see significant differences between annual releases, there is a population of golfers that still want to nit-pick. 

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10 minutes ago, bens197 said:

In simplest terms, people want to talk about clubs.  
 

Manufacturers make profound claims about performance and those claims should be substantiated. 
 

While many of us won’t see significant differences between annual releases, there is a population of golfers that still want to nit-pick. 

There's a difference between talking about clubs and what works and coming out complaining/bashing there moment a new driver is announced. 

I really don't understand it. But we live in and 'hot take' society so I guess everyone wants to be the first once to get their awesome take out there first. 

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16 minutes ago, jlukes said:

I wonder if people are underwhelmed when car companies release a car model every year. Or phone every year. Or anything every year. 

This isn't about drastic improvements over the previous year. It's about incremental improvements. 

Only a very small percentage of golfers upgrade every year. They're going to upgrade regardless. 

I really don't understand why people on golf forums get on a soap box EVERY SINGLE YEAR new equipment comes out. 

It’s almost mind boggling at this point on how negative people want to be about golf equipment and releases. 

 

8 minutes ago, bens197 said:

In simplest terms, people want to talk about clubs.  
 

Manufacturers make profound claims about performance and those claims should be substantiated. 
 

While many of us won’t see significant differences between annual releases, there is a population of golfers that still want to nit-pick. 

There’s one thing to talk about clubs but many come in purely to bash either a brand or the small changes they make, and tend to discredit it before testing it or based on one or two peoples swings that don’t match their swing.

1) if companies went all out on r&d, innovations and such they wouldn’t be able to sell any clubs because they would cost too much (even more than pxg) and they would have no where to go after hat release

2) companies like tm, cobra, callaway, etc aren’t spending millions in r&d, manufacturing/testing to put out a product that has no improvements. They and many educated golfers know there will be minimal if any gains year to year and even 2-3 years out, but there are segments of golfers that buy older gear or wait several years to upgrade (many of those types on forums) so they will see improvements. Also it’s up to those that see minimal to determine if the improvement is worth it to them to upgrade or not and there’s another segment who are going to upgrade every year regardless because they want the latest and greatest regardless of there’s any improvement or not

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7 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

It’s almost mind boggling at this point on how negative people want to be about golf equipment and releases. 

 

There’s one thing to talk about clubs but many come in purely to bash either a brand or the small changes they make, and tend to discredit it before testing it or based on one or two peoples swings that don’t match their swing.

1) if companies went all out on r&d, innovations and such they wouldn’t be able to sell any clubs because they would cost too much (even more than pxg) and they would have no where to go after hat release

2) companies like tm, cobra, callaway, etc aren’t spending millions in r&d, manufacturing/testing to put out a product that has no improvements. They and many educated golfers know there will be minimal if any gains year to year and even 2-3 years out, but there are segments of golfers that buy older gear or wait several years to upgrade (many of those types on forums) so they will see improvements. Also it’s up to those that see minimal to determine if the improvement is worth it to them to upgrade or not and there’s another segment who are going to upgrade every year regardless because they want the latest and greatest regardless of there’s any improvement or not

It’s nauseating but it gives them peace; I just stay out of their way and let them be. I’d rather make conversation with the open minds. 
 

 

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Just now, bens197 said:

It’s nauseating but it gives them peace; I just stay out of their way and let them be. I’d rather make conversation with the open minds. 
 

 

Yeah. The negativity around golf is kinda nauseating. Bashing companies, heckling players or course setups. Whatever happened to if you don’t like something or someone you don’t watch them or play it.

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13 minutes ago, jlukes said:

There's a difference between talking about clubs and what works and coming out complaining/bashing there moment a new driver is announced. 

I really don't understand it. But we live in and 'hot take' society so I guess everyone wants to be the first once to get their awesome take out there first. 

To give you a parallel.  I am a member of a forum of a basketball team I cover, and while I cover the team and enjoy watching them play, I am generally very neutral in the rare comments I make on the board.  I'm not a "fan" of the team, so I don't get all caught up in the daily talk back and forth.  But if someone has a question about a player injury status or a coaching decision that maybe I have some insight into, I'l make a comment.

But the point is 98% of the comments on there are negative. After a loss within 30 minutes there will be 5 pages of ranting and raving, after a win...crickets. It may go two days to get 2 pages.    This is just to say, it's the nature of the internet. 

Although you do bring up a good question, about complaints on car and phone forums.  I would imagine there is a lot of it on the phone places, maybe not so much on the cars.   I think the number of people who buy a new car every year are probably a lot less than those that buy a new driver very year 😎

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And I will take it one step further - it is normally Taylormade and Callaway that receive the brunt of the "hot takes" while companies like Titleist and Ping can release clubs seemingly whenever they want and they never receive the same amount of immediate negativity.

If bet if you asked people on hear who has released more equipment over the last 2 years between Taylormade, Titleist and Ping, almost everyone would assume Taylormade would be the answer and all of those people would be wrong.  In fact, Taylorade has had fewer releases than both Titleist and Ping over the last 2 years.  But hey, there's no room for facts here

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3 hours ago, JonMUSC08 said:

Taylormade is OFFICIALLY releasing the SIM line of drivers this week. Thoughts?

I am very much a fan of Taylormade clubs as most of my bag is TM. I bought the TM M6 last year and love it; great club. Having said that... I'm disappointed in the new SIM drivers. Seems the only change is:

Asymmetric Sole Shape & Inertia Generator

Designed to provide faster clubhead speed for more ball speed and distance while the rear weight creates high MOI for improved forgiveness

Additionally.... if you paint it black and yellow you'll get the Cobra F9 from last year. They took the F9 and threw a massive weight on the end.

TM and Callaway are known to put out drivers every year so this is no surprise that its kinda underwhelming. I am NOT saying this is a bad performing driver, but just underwhelmed. If its been a few years since you have bought a new driver then it could be great.

Comparison:

sim.JPG.59262d8668934bfdf950f4e9cd175561.JPG

f9.JPG.ee851510d9c255e1dd218e760f637413.JPG

 

Keeping with the original topic of discussion...

I’ve never been a huge fan of TM but the M-series of drivers have always looked exceptional. The SIM looks good so long as you don’t flip it over; at which point it looks like they just copied the Cobra F9 in the most obvious way. I can’t say I’m surprised though. Cobra has been onto something with low CG for a while now and seem to have darn near perfected it. It was simply a matter of time before another OEM put their own twist on the design. It also makes you wonder if TM might have felt the sting of Cobras success with the F9 last year more so than other brands.

I may give the SIM a try if I have the funds available for new clubs this year, but would honestly be more interested in an M5 or M6 at a lower price when looking at TM.

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8 minutes ago, TR1PTIK said:

Keeping with the original topic of discussion...

I’ve never been a huge fan of TM but the M-series of drivers have always looked exceptional. The SIM looks good so long as you don’t flip it over; at which point it looks like they just copied the Cobra F9 in the most obvious way. I can’t say I’m surprised though. Cobra has been onto something with low CG for a while now and seem to have darn near perfected it. It was simply a matter of time before another OEM put their own twist on the design. It also makes you wonder if TM might have felt the sting of Cobras success with the F9 last year more so than other brands.

I may give the SIM a try if I have the funds available for new clubs this year, but would honestly be more interested in an M5 or M6 at a lower price when looking at TM.

How did they copy f9 in the most obvious way when they what they took was from the m6 and added a weight and raised the crown and sole to get the cg lower? 
 

 

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I would imagine opinions are ok? or are they frowned upon with the same disdain?

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1 minute ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

How did they copy f9 in the most obvious way when they what they took was from the m6 and added a weight and raised the crown and sole to get the cg lower? 
 

 

Hmmm... maybe it has something to do with the protruding mass that extends down and towards the back of the club. 🙄

 

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Just now, perseveringgolfer said:

I would imagine opinions are ok? or are they frowned upon with the same disdain?

Sure - have you seen it in person and hit it?

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1 minute ago, TR1PTIK said:

Hmmm... maybe it has something to do with the protruding mass that extends down and towards the back of the club. 🙄

 

Like the M6...

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I haven't seen the new Tesla 4x4 in person, nor driven it, but I have an opinion on it's looks.

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2 minutes ago, jlukes said:

Like the M6...

TaylorMade-M6-YouTube_8f8278ec7a6efdee59

My bad... you and @RickyBobby_PR are right. I forgot the M6 did that as well and was thinking it was more just a cosmetic thing with silver M6 badging on the bottom. 

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