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8 minutes ago, perseveringgolfer said:

I haven't seen the new Tesla 4x4 in person, nor driven it, but I have an opinion on it's looks.

That fine an dandy. 

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I will add that I find it interesting that TM’s design has led the TXG guys to ponder if the loft up campaign will be back. Even Shiels made note of how low spin the SIM is and got more playable results with the SIM Max.

How much do you think the attempt to move CG low and back matters with a weight and accompanying track located towards the front? I’m looking forward to most wanted testing to find out!

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I will add that I find it interesting that TM’s design has led the TXG guys to ponder if the loft up campaign will be back. Even Shiels made note of how low spin the SIM is and got more playable results with the SIM Max.

How much do you think the attempt to move CG low and back matters with a weight and accompanying track located towards the front? I’m looking forward to most wanted testing to find out!

The article tony did talks about this to an extent. 
 

low and back has higher cog and they had to raise the crown. The sliding weight in the front will help a bit as has been seen in several other brands that more  weight forward reduces spin.

 

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8 minutes ago, jlukes said:

That fine an dandy. 

why thank you kind sir. Have a good day.

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The biggest thing that pissed me off in this release is the fake Ventus shafts as the stock options in the Max. 

Hopefully taylormade has a nice list of no upcharged options. 

There's no reason to have a made for shaft in a $500 driver. Taylormade just trying to ride the momentum of the Ventus shaft unfortunately. 

Callaway did the same thing in previous years with HZRDUS. Not sure what they're doing with their top gun driver this year 

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34 minutes ago, jlukes said:

Like the M6...

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haha my Bad too... I even own the M6 and forgot it looks like the F9. 🙄

Unfortunately the SIM just added an even larger mass to the bottom.

Even the Youtube Reviewers (Rick Shiels, etc) were a bit underwhelmed. Still a Great driver im sure, but...

My $.02, buy a M5/M6 for the new price!

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Callaway did the same thing in previous years with HZRDUS. Not sure what they're doing with their top gun driver this year 


The Mavrik I tested had a Even Flow Riptide.
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20 minutes ago, cnosil said:

 


The Mavrik I tested had a Even Flow Riptide.

 

Good to hear. 

The remember the original epic launched with a HZRDUS T800. Which was a made for shaft 

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Personally I like it.  I've always liked how Taylormade drivers set at address over any other.  I'll be in the market for a new driver this year and the SIM will definitely be in consideration.  Someone mentioned the high launch/low spin, the TXG guys did a test and this does seem to be the case.  

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Good to hear. 
The remember the original epic launched with a HZRDUS T800. Which was a made for shaft 


Can’t answer if the riptide is an authentic or made for in the callaway line. We know the Ventus in the TM line is made for. Would have to compare side by side; I looked at the TM Ventus and didn’t notice the missing verbiage

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4 minutes ago, cnosil said:

 


Can’t answer if the riptide is an authentic or made for in the callaway line. We know the Ventus in the TM line is made for. Would have to compare side by side; I looked at the TM Ventus and didn’t notice the missing verbiage

 

That's because taylormade and fujikura intentionally made it look identical. 

Scummy move 

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23 minutes ago, cnosil said:

 


Can’t answer if the riptide is an authentic or made for in the callaway line. We know the Ventus in the TM line is made for. Would have to compare side by side; I looked at the TM Ventus and didn’t notice the missing verbiage

 

Riptide is going to be a stock offering in the sim so unless they have a made for shaft for Callaway and another for Tm should be the “stock” hzrdus offering 

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32 minutes ago, jlukes said:

That's because taylormade and fujikura intentionally made it look identical. 

Scummy move 

The more I think of it, this is more Scummy by Fujikura than anything else. Cheapens their own brand. 

Why offer something with Ventus on it if it doesn't contain the "groundbreaking" tech that makes the actual Ventus great 

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Here’s the deal: we KNOW folks are gonna gripe, right? So, let’s just let them gripe and then not follow it up with another year of, “Jeez! Stop complaining.”

 

It’s automatic. One person complains, then we all jump-in and say stop. They do it, we do it. Let’s be better in 2020!

 

I vow to address the findings specifically with folks who cry “foul”.

 

Such as: In the TXG video with the TM guy, they talk about the subtle changes to the face, bulge and roll, where they put the cone, etc. How these will lead to small changes like less spin-drop from a high-face strike, etc.

 

Steer the conversation back to what the manufacturer talks about, and then we start to have less griping from both sides, AND a better conversation about the tech, etc. The first two pages are just us going back-and-forth. Let’s change for 2020! We can DO IT!!!

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4 minutes ago, PMookie said:

Here’s the deal: we KNOW folks are gonna gripe, right? So, let’s just let them gripe and then not follow it up with another year of, “Jeez! Stop complaining.”

It’s automatic. One person complains, then we all jump-in and say stop. They do it, we do it. Let’s be better in 2020!

I vow to address the findings specifically with folks who cry “foul”.

Such as: In the TXG video with the TM guy, they talk about the subtle changes to the face, bulge and roll, where they put the cone, etc. How these will lead to small changes like less spin-drop from a high-face strike, etc.

Steer the conversation back to what the manufacturer talks about, and then we start to have less griping from both sides, AND a better conversation about the tech, etc. The first two pages are just us going back-and-forth. Let’s change for 2020! We can DO IT!!!
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Agree and there should be official threads started by mods. Otherwise you get threads like this were someone starts a thread about new equipment and then immediately bashes it in the opening post. 

When a thread starts with those sort of comments, it doesn't lead to discussion about the driver because the person who started their thread never wanted it to be be about the tech or subtle improvement about the driver they wanted it to be about their take. 

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I can speak to this Driver. Been gaming a M6 for little over a year with Tensei shaft. Was at my fitter last week for a wedge fitting. He had the Sim Max on his desk. Long story short....It's been in my bag mated to a "real" Ventus Blue Shaft (not the stock shaft) and I've hit it quite a bit. First, don't care what the bottom looks like....because I can't see it at address. Second, the new color scheme is sick and I really like it. Can't say it's a LOT better than the M6 or that it'll make anyone longer off the tee....what I can say is that it has a different feel and sound when hit and I'm getting more carry over the M6. Haven't done significant testing driver vs driver because course has been really wet and haven't had the time.

I can say....if your in the market for a new driver....you should test drive it. It appears to be the real deal. Lastly, if you're one of those guys that just likes the "new" stuff and can afford it...knock yourself out and buy it. Don't think there'll be any buyers remorse on this one. This one will more than likely remain in my bag.

Anyone in the market for a nice M6?

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2 hours ago, jlukes said:

That's because taylormade and fujikura intentionally made it look identical. 

Scummy move 

When I looked at the page on the TM website and saw the shafts offered for the Max I let out a disappointing "oh" and left the page. I thought the era of made-for shafts was dead, kind of off-putting for me, but I still want to hit it.

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56 minutes ago, yungkory said:

When I looked at the page on the TM website and saw the shafts offered for the Max I let out a disappointing "oh" and left the page. I thought the era of made-for shafts was dead, kind of off-putting for me, but I still want to hit it.

Most of the golfing public won’t know it’s a made for or would they be able to tell the difference between the real deal and the made for. Also the made for market never really died. With the way brands design heads shaft manufacturers have to work with them to get their new designs setup and able to be used with drivers. Tm head and Callaway head have different properties and thus the same shaft may not work in both heads. 
 

ping has been using made for shafts forever. They ping your shaft is built off the elements chrome shaft.

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1 hour ago, jlukes said:

Agree and there should be official threads started by mods. Otherwise you get threads like this were someone starts a thread about new equipment and then immediately bashes it in the opening post. 

When a thread starts with those sort of comments, it doesn't lead to discussion about the driver because the person who started their thread never wanted it to be be about the tech or subtle improvement about the driver they wanted it to be about their take. 

If we’re going to eliminate personal opinion from the MGS forums then I’m out.

The OP’s post was a subjective take on a new release that falls in-line with what a lot of other golfers see in the new SIM drivers. However, thanks to the input of those paying closer attention, both @JonMUSC08 and myself stand corrected and admitted as much. This is the way it should be IMO.

If you want to talk about tech, then talk about tech. No one is stopping you from steering the discussion in a different direction, but the only way for the cycle of perceived bashing and rebuttal to stop is for someone to take the reigns and do something different. These types of threads do and will continue to exist in spite of any “official” threads created by mods.

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11 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Most of the golfing public won’t know it’s a made for or would they be able to tell the difference between the real deal and the made for. Also the made for market never really died. With the way brands design heads shaft manufacturers have to work with them to get their new designs setup and able to be used with drivers. Tm head and Callaway head have different properties and thus the same shaft may not work in both heads. 
 

ping has been using made for shafts forever. They ping your shaft is built off the elements chrome shaft.

Truthfully, most of the golfers out there might not even know the story about Ventus shafts to even care that it’s printed on there. I think it has much more to do with simply matching the appearance of what we see the pros hitting.

I thought MGS published an article on factory shafts a year or two ago that stated Ping shafts were more of a co-engineered type of deal and not quite the standard “made for” agreement. Maybe I’m misremembering again?

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